Is not this what Jesus wants to see us doing?

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Sanashankar

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How can we not pray for a non christian like him, for what he is doing?

Where are the christian preachers and pastors who are busy making money for their bible colleges, private jet, jewellery, luxurious house, cars, for their churches?

Will this common man who has not accepted Jesus Christ will burn in fire, just because he is feeding the needy ones?

Then why not the wealthy Christians burn in hell for not doing what this non Christian Hindhu Brahmin man does?
 
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Because it's not about what we do (or the hindu brahman does) it's what Jesus did (at the Cross and grave), and do you remember it is harder for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven, than a camel the eye of a needle? we are told the gate is narrow.

However, I do agree they should sell their private jets, luxuries, etc. and give the proceeds to the poor.
 
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reject-tech

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Will this common man who has not accepted Jesus Christ will burn in fire, just because he is feeding the needy ones?
It would appear to me, that this man has accepted Jesus Christ, been baptized with water, fire, and the Holy Spirit, without even knowing it.
Calling on his name isn't saying "Jesus this, Jesus that", or marching through the streets demanding that others say "Jesus this, Jesus that"
He has repented. He has changed his ways.

We are sooo deceived by religion.
 
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It would appear to me, that this man has accepted Jesus Christ, been baptized with water, fire, and the Holy Spirit, without even knowing it.
Calling on his name isn't saying "Jesus this, Jesus that", or marching through the streets demanding that others say "Jesus this, Jesus that"
He has repented. He has changed his ways.

We are sooo deceived by religion.
non believers even change their ways, for instance, many of my family members quit smoking...(self will-power)(they would also be helpful if needed).
But, they didn't accept Christ nor say He is Lord. It does seem deceiving, that some would think by good works one can somehow inherit salvation, when Jesus said no man cometh unto the Father, but by Him...For one to say that because he changed his ways that somehow he received Christ into his heart is kinda out there.
[h=3]Romans 10:9-10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
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Sanashankar

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Because it's not about what we do (or the hindu brahman does) it's what Jesus did (at the Cross and grave), and do you remember it is harder for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven, than a camel the eye of a needle? we are told the gate is narrow.

However, I do agree they should sell their private jets, luxuries, etc. and give the proceeds to the poor.
I did not say pray "to", i said pray "for"..like we pray for our parents for their well being.:)
 
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Sanashankar

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MaranathaSoonQuick i remeber what Jesus said

Mt 7:21 . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

and these verses are clearly telling that everlasting fire is for those who do not help the needy

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.


Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Isn't Jesus Christ making it clear that if we do not help the needy, we will be put into hell.
 

homwardbound

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[video=youtube;y_3BEwpv0dM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_3BEwpv0dM[/video]

How can we not pray for a non christian like him, for what he is doing?

Where are the christian preachers and pastors who are busy making money for their bible colleges, private jet, jewellery, luxurious house, cars, for their churches?

Will this common man who has not accepted Jesus Christ will burn in fire, just because he is feeding the needy ones?

Then why not the wealthy Christians burn in hell for not doing what this non Christian Hindhu Brahmin man does?
You know, I think I will know them by their Love one for another. God is the Judge to really who are who, and I think there shall be many surprises at the great white throne Judment
 

homwardbound

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MaranathaSoonQuick i remeber what Jesus said

Mt 7:21 . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

and these verses are clearly telling that everlasting fire is for those who do not help the needy

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.


Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Isn't Jesus Christ making it clear that if we do not help the needy, we will be put into hell.
A tree is identified by it's fruit period
 

starfield

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Will this common man who has not accepted Jesus Christ will burn in fire, just because he is feeding the needy ones?

Then why not the wealthy Christians burn in hell for not doing what this non Christian Hindhu Brahmin man does?
Generosity toward the destitute is great but entrance into heaven is not determined by good works but faith in the shed blood of Christ. If salvation is by the works of man then Christ died in vain.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1)


"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
 
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RecceforChrist

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Christianity will not save your life, doing the will of The Father will do. What is the will of The Father ? That you shall accept the sacrifice of His Son and do all that He commanded you. What did He command you? That you shall love one another , even your enemies. That you should DO unto the least of these little ones for as you have done unto them you have done unto Him. Is that works based. Yes it is for we will be judged according to our works. Who said that? Jesus Christ did. God bless
 

Hizikyah

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Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of mholiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
 
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MaranathaSoonQuick i remeber what Jesus said

Mt 7:21 . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

and these verses are clearly telling that everlasting fire is for those who do not help the needy

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.


Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Isn't Jesus Christ making it clear that if we do not help the needy, we will be put into hell.
twisting my arm?, when did I say we shouldn't help the needy? I am needy myself, yet I help who I see in need. I'll touch on verse 21 of matthew 7, which you took out of context to try to ¨twist my arm¨ these people were concerned with works, hence 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name had cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? These people were focused on their works in order to enter in.

again, if you think works could ever save a man, you have not learned who Christ really was, nor what he came for, the sheep on his right hand are those covered by the blood, to the left are those who like in verse 7:22 of matthew were situated on good works based salvation. that's what it seems to me anyways.
 
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How can we not pray for a non christian like him, for what he is doing?
We can. Pray that he gets saved.

Where are the christian preachers and pastors who are busy making money for their bible colleges, private jet, jewellery, luxurious house, cars, for their churches?
John 21:21-22 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Why do you care where they are?

Will this common man who has not accepted Jesus Christ will burn in fire, just because he is feeding the needy ones?
Yes, If he doesn't accept the Lord Jesus as Lord & Savior

Then why not the wealthy Christians burn in hell for not doing what this non Christian Hindhu Brahmin man does?
Who said they won't? And why the vendetta? Don't stereotype all christians & ministers into a box.
 
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It would appear to me, that this man has accepted Jesus Christ, been baptized with water, fire, and the Holy Spirit, without even knowing it.
Calling on his name isn't saying "Jesus this, Jesus that", or marching through the streets demanding that others say "Jesus this, Jesus that"
He has repented. He has changed his ways.

We are sooo deceived by religion.
Do you & Billy Graham belong to the same club?
 

Hizikyah

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After I read this verse:

Yahchanan (John) 17:9, "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours."

I now pray, "if they are yours please let your will be done in their lives."
 
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Sanashankar

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We can. Pray that he gets saved.
Leave the non-christians, how sure are we that all "Christians" will be saved. How can we with our own mouth say "we are saved" when Paul has said, that we are to live by hope. Are we so righteous that we can pray for others to be saved, when we are advised to live with a hope that we will be saved???

1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

Ro 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.


John 21:21-22 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Why do you care where they are?
I think Jesus Christ is talking to apostles here. IWhy do i care???because they are DECEIVING the whole world with their teachings. They don't teach Christians how to "walk in the ways of Jesus Christ".

Yes, If he doesn't accept the Lord Jesus as Lord & Savior
There is no love in a christian's heart:)

And why the vendetta?
Because they scare the whole world, children, old grandmas and grandpas and common men by preaching the most evil doctrine "literal hell fire".


God is love
 
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Sanashankar

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twisting my arm?, when did I say we shouldn't help the needy? I am needy myself, yet I help who I see in need. I'll touch on verse 21 of matthew 7, which you took out of context to try to ¨twist my arm¨ these people were concerned with works, hence 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name had cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? These people were focused on their works in order to enter in.

again, if you think works could ever save a man, you have not learned who Christ really was, nor what he came for, the sheep on his right hand are those covered by the blood, to the left are those who like in verse 7:22 of matthew were situated on good works based salvation. that's what it seems to me anyways.
I did not twist ur arms or legs;). u gave this verse

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I was giving u the verse which says if we don't help the needy, we can expect everlasting punishment.

"Wonderful works" in Matt 7:22, that's the same Greek word used in this verse

1C 12:10 To another the working of miracles (G1411); to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1C 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles (G1411), then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1C 12:29 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles (G1411)?

So we can take it as the prophesying, miracle healing etc that Christians are doing in the name of Jesus Christ. Hm...thats what the pastors in the churches are actually doing. Without giving to the needy what they got, they are busy talking in angel's language, speaking in tongues, oil anointing.......

I do not believe that our salvation is based on "work".Yeah but i believe that whoever is truly saved, will automatically start doing the work. How can our work bring salvation, is our work good enuf to bring salvation?

Isa 64:6 . But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf.....

Now u will say im twisting the word of God.No i am not

Psalm 119:160 The sum of your word is truth

Isa 28:10 For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:

Now obviously, God COULD have inspired the Bible to be written just like an encyclopedia, with everything pertaining to one subject under one heading. But God didn't choose to do it that way. The reason God inspired His Word so that it would present "here a little and there a little" is so that the people whose minds are not open to God's truth simply will not understand the Bible, even when it is right there before their eyes. To them the Bible would be a sealed book.

We are told that unless we fulfill the will of the father

Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Jn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

We mortals are not capable to do good works to be "saved", but that does not mean we should not do "good works". Our faith shud be manifested in our work. Salvation is in God's hand.
 

homwardbound

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Christianity will not save your life, doing the will of The Father will do. What is the will of The Father ? That you shall accept the sacrifice of His Son and do all that He commanded you. What did He command you? That you shall love one another , even your enemies. That you should DO unto the least of these little ones for as you have done unto them you have done unto Him. Is that works based. Yes it is for we will be judged according to our works. Who said that? Jesus Christ did. God bless
I think the difference is God's works through us in place of self works it is a fine line. For when I was born again with a new heart, God gave me a heart transplant, I was then led by the Holy Ghost of God that led Christ. All he did was what Father wanted no credit to himself.
Wondering, should we be by Faith in God be doing the same as Christ did?
Are we not to walk as he walked?
Only way I see is to die to self daily and be alive to God daily, as Paul said he died daily. So I wonder is it through the death that we see the new life in the Spirit of God? And God does the work's of love through us
 

homwardbound

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Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."

Faith + no works = dead

Works + no faith = dead

We need faith and works, AND OUR FAITH HAS TO BE POINTED AT THE RIGHT DIRECTION

Titus 1:16, "They profess that they know Yahweh, but by their works they deny Him--being abominable, disobedient, and to every righteous work, reprobate."

2 Timothy 3:5, "Having a form of mholiness, but denying the authority of it--from such turn away!"
What produces what? Does Faith in God produce works in God?
Or does works produce Faith in God?
There is a difference is there not?
James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

There are God works and there are self flesh works, which is God pleased with?