Is not this what Jesus wants to see us doing?

[homwardbound]

twisting my arm?, when did I say we shouldn't help the needy? I am needy myself, yet I help who I see in need. I'll touch on verse 21 of matthew 7, which you took out of context to try to ¨twist my arm¨ these people were concerned with works, hence 7:22 Many will say to me in that day Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name had cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? These people were focused on their works in order to enter in.

again, if you think works could ever save a man, you have not learned who Christ really was, nor what he came for, the sheep on his right hand are those covered by the blood, to the left are those who like in verse 7:22 of matthew were situated on good works based salvation. that's what it seems to me anyways.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Romans 4:5 [ David Celebrates the Same Truth ] But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness
Romans 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Romans 9:32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
Galatians 3:10 [ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

 

[Sanashankar]

You know, I think I will know them by their Love one for another. God is the Judge to really who are who, and I think there shall be many surprises at the great white throne Judment

My husband told the same thing . Its not abt this guy..i mean im not sure whether this guy is doing for fame or he is doing it from heart. But isn't it really what Jesus Christ taught us. Isn't this the way to show the love of our God to people who doesnt know God?

 

[Sanashankar]

Generosity toward the destitute is great but entrance into heaven is not determined by good works but faith in the shed blood of Christ. If salvation is by the works of man then Christ died in vain.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:1)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ephesians 2:8-9).

Ja 2:14 . What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Ja 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food
Ja 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?

I guess Paul taught that the faith we have should be manifested in the work we do,

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

And abt salvation, like most of the christians believe, everlasting punishment is the opposite of entering to heaven. Why did Jesus say that we will be getting eternal punishment if we don't help the needy

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment (i.e no entrance to heaven): but the righteous into life eternal.

So is not generosity towards destitute a must for the entrance into heaven?

 

[Sanashankar]

To all

I have a doubt. What if the "work" mentioned by Paul, is "rituals". I don't see the word "rituals" in the bible anywhere.

Is there any chance of using the same Greek word for "rituals" and "works" by the apostles?. like we see

1C 5:7 . Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: (passover lamb)
Jn 18:28 . but that they might eat the passover. ( this is the passover lamb)

Jn 13:1 . Now before the feast of the passover ( this one is the feast)

all the verses has the same word

G3957 pascha
the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it).




The same way "sin" and "sin offering"

2C 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

i.e G266 hamartia ham-ar-tee'-ah

a sin (properly abstract).

Hb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin ( G266 the same word "hamartia") thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;

Can anyone help on this?

 

[reject-tech]

For one to say that because he changed his ways that somehow he received Christ into his heart is kinda out there.

I personally don't consider believing in Jesus to have anything to do with even knowing the man walked the earth, or having heard His spoken name.

I believe it has to do with trying to live the way He did, and many people find this without ever hearing the story.
And many people read the story till their eyes bleed and only care about pushing their way to the front of an afterlife.

Christ isn't His last name or title, it is to be personally anointed with His motives.
To believe in "Jesus Christ" is to be personally anointed with His spirit of salvation, and love of the creator.
I doubt very seriously if the man in the video is willing to do the things in the video, that he has any unacceptable problem with his creator.

Worshiping a false god isn't the mistake of getting his name wrong like "Shiva" or "Buddha" or "Allah"
Worshiping a false god is the mistake of thinking He demands condemnation based on the semantics.
Especially if loving people don't even understand the semantics.

 

[starfield]

So is not generosity towards destitute a must for the entrance into heaven?

Scripture is clear that good deeds cannot merit salvation. So how does a person enter heaven? In other words, how does one become saved? Let's see what the scripture says, shall we...
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). It does not say "that whosoever is generous to the poor should not perish".

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5).

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Romans 10:9).

"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10).

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).

Salvation deals with the heart. We are not saved by our works but the work of Christ, however, genuine saving faith will be accompanied with fruits as the Holy Spirit works in us which James emphasised. If salvation is contingent upon our giving to the needy or other external rites then it is no longer by grace (unmerited favour of God) through faith. Also, if salvation is by works then how much work must one do to be saved?

Those who go away into everlasting punishment in Matthew 25:46 are the goats, the unbelievers.

 

[RecceforChrist]

It seem to me that "works" is a major stumbling block for some. Let me point out something that most "christians" seems to miss concerning "works". Upon regeneration (becoming born again) , your stoneheart is replaced with a flesh heart. The Spirit of God moves into you and everything you do from then on is done for Him and through Him. That means the "Works" you do is not done out of yourself but out of total submission to The Spirit of God . Does this meen then that those "works" is not according to Gods will?

 

[onlinebuddy]

I see Christ in the man (in the video)- the same Christ that I saw in Mother Theresa. I'm not qualified to say anything further.

 

[haz]

i remeber what Jesus said

Mt 7:21 . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

This is God's will.
John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

This is also confirmed by John 6:29 where Jesus tells us that our works are to believe in Jesus.

and these verses are clearly telling that everlasting fire is for those who do not help the needy

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Many will focus on this only in physical terms. Whilst helping the needy is good, even the non-believers can do that.

But scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. Hence we see Matt 25 speaks of something beyond helping those who are physically needy.

Consider how God describes terms as found in Matt 25.

What is the spiritual food/drink that mankind is in need of?
1Cor 10:3,4
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


Who are those in spiritual prison but those who are without Christ.
Isa 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

And what is the state of mankind without Christ?
It's sick, and needing to hear the gospel of Christ.
Isa 1:5,6
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

How are the spiritually naked clothed?
Isa 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, My soul shall be joyful in my God; For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,

And those without Christ are strangers who need to hear the gospel to be taken into God's kingdom.
Eph 2:12
that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

When we share the gospel of Christ we offer to take in the lost so that they may no longer be strangers.
Eph 2:19
Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

So we see scripture speaking in spiritual terms regarding preaching the gospel of grace. And doing the works of believing in Jesus (John 6:29) Christians also let their light shine preaching the gospel of Christ to spiritually feed, clothe, heal and set free, the lost.
Matt 5:14-16
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Remember, God's will is that we believe on Jesus. And if we love others we will let our light shine by sharing the gospel with them, so that they too can be spiritually healed, clothed, feed and set free from prison.

Isn't Jesus Christ making it clear that if we do not help the needy, we will be put into hell.

Consider what Jesus said when very costly oil was poured over him, instead of selling it to fund the needs of the poor. Was Jesus wrong in what he said?
Matt 26:6-11
And when Jesus was in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper, a woman came to Him having an alabaster flask of very costly fragrant oil, and she poured it on His head as He sat at the table. But when His disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, “Why this waste? For this fragrant oil might have been sold for much and given to the poor.” But when Jesus was aware of it, He said to them, “Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a good work for Me. For you have the poor with you always, but Me you do not have always.

 

[4enlightment]

Just imagine if everyone has that mentality to care for others, there wouldn't be any poor people at all.

Matthew 26:11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Matthew 19:21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

 

[onlinebuddy]

MaranathaSoonQuick i remeber what Jesus said

Mt 7:21 . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

and these verses are clearly telling that everlasting fire is for those who do not help the needy

Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mt 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mt 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.

Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Isn't Jesus Christ making it clear that if we do not help the needy, we will be put into hell.

Dear Sister,
From my previous interactions with you I know that you do not believe in salvation by works. However, in a bid to convince others about helping the poor, you are actually telling them that a person is saved by works.

I do not know about this man in the video, I love this guy, and I would say that God would obviously notice his good work. However, I do believe that faith in the finished work of Christ is the only condition for salvation. Yes, good works will follow the believer, no doubt.

To answer your original post: Yes, this is exactly what Jesus wants to see us doing.

May the Lord have mercy on me, because I have been so unlike Christ in this matter.

 

[samster1z]

Those who have not heard the word of God, or the preaching of the Gospel, or of the message of Jesus Christ, they have an excuse to sin.

Jesus said John 15:22: If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

This man might have an excuse for sin because he might not know the world of God. He will be judge by his conscious and might only be mortal. Yes maybe his soul will return to God, and his existence end like it was for some people before Jesus Christ.

Ecclesiastes 12:7: and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Hell is separation from God, its where your soul is cast into Hell.

 

[Sanashankar]

Dear Sister,
From my previous interactions with you I know that you do not believe in salvation by works. However, in a bid to convince others about helping the poor, you are actually telling them that a person is saved by works.

I do not know about this man in the video, I love this guy, and I would say that God would obviously notice his good work. However, I do believe that faith in the finished work of Christ is the only condition for salvation. Yes, good works will follow the believer, no doubt.

To answer your original post: Yes, this is exactly what Jesus wants to see us doing.

May the Lord have mercy on me, because I have been so unlike Christ in this matter.

You are mistaken my brother. You are not understanding me. Salvation is not something which is given to you on a "Sunday" when u were baptized or reborn and it remains with you/me "till our death".

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Salvation is not like "once u are saved, u are saved forever". We have to overcome the world till the end. Salvation is given by the God, it is our responsibility to keep it till the end. We have to walk in the path of Jesus Christ. We have to imitate Jesus Christ and the apostles.

However, in a bid to convince others about helping the poor, you are actually telling them that a person is saved by works.

As if some one has taken this post seriously. I will be liked by Christians ( not true followers of Jesus Christ) only if I start a thread with such headings "baptism is necessary" or "sinners will burn in fire" or "church is necessary" or "miracle healing, tongues etc" etc....

True Christians are always attacked by the mere Christians everywhere. They call them heretic, fools, curse of God, swine, satan and what not. but still they try to spread what they believe because they love God. It is not to convince anyone.

 

[Sanashankar]

Scripture is clear that good deeds cannot merit salvation. So how does a person enter heaven? In other words, how does one become saved? Let's see what the scripture says, shall we...
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). It does not say "that whosoever is generous to the poor should not perish".

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5).

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved" (Romans 10:9).

"For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10).

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" (Titus 3:5).

Salvation deals with the heart. We are not saved by our works but the work of Christ, however, genuine saving faith will be accompanied with fruits as the Holy Spirit works in us which James emphasised. If salvation is contingent upon our giving to the needy or other external rites then it is no longer by grace (unmerited favour of God) through faith. Also, if salvation is by works then how much work must one do to be saved?

Those who go away into everlasting punishment in Matthew 25:46 are the goats, the unbelievers.

What is "believing"?? Is it just saying in heart "Jesus is the lord", or is there something else in it? I wonder why Christians baptize, speak in tongues, pour oil on their head, confess their sins, observe sabbath, holy communion, go to church every sunday. Is not all these "works". an "act"? I don't do all these "works". Do you?

 

[Sanashankar]

Those who have not heard the word of God, or the preaching of the Gospel, or of the message of Jesus Christ, they have an excuse to sin.

Jesus said John 15:22: If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

This man might have an excuse for sin because he might not know the world of God. He will be judge by his conscious and might only be mortal. Yes maybe his soul will return to God, and his existence end like it was for some people before Jesus Christ.

Ecclesiastes 12:7: and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Hell is separation from God, its where your soul is cast into Hell.

Thank you so much for the verse u gave. John 15:22

But im sad that u told hell is "seperation from God". what abt this verse

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.

 

[onlinebuddy]

You are mistaken my brother. You are not understanding me. Salvation is not something which is given to you on a "Sunday" when u were baptized or reborn and it remains with you/me "till our death".

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Salvation is not like "once u are saved, u are saved forever". We have to overcome the world till the end. Salvation is given by the God, it is our responsibility to keep it till the end. We have to walk in the path of Jesus Christ. We have to imitate Jesus Christ and the apostles.

As if some one has taken this post seriously. I will be liked by Christians ( not true followers of Jesus Christ) only if I start a thread with such headings "baptism is necessary" or "sinners will burn in fire" or "church is necessary" or "miracle healing, tongues etc" etc....

True Christians are always attacked by the mere Christians everywhere. They call them heretic, fools, curse of God, swine, satan and what not. but still they try to spread what they believe because they love God. It is not to convince anyone.

Salvation is not like "once u are saved, u are saved forever". We have to overcome the world till the end. Salvation is given by the God, it is our responsibility to keep it till the end. We have to walk in the path of Jesus Christ. We have to imitate Jesus Christ and the apostles.

Agree. I never stated otherwise.

As if some one has taken this post seriously. I will be liked by Christians ( not true followers of Jesus Christ) only if I start a thread with such headings "baptism is necessary" or "sinners will burn in fire" or "church is necessary" or "miracle healing, tongues etc" etc....

I myself would not "like" ALL these posts. Nevertheless, some of the above mentioned things are necessary. No two ways about it.

True Christians are always attacked by the mere Christians everywhere. They call them heretic, fools, curse of God, swine, satan and what not. but still they try to spread what they believe because they love God. It is not to convince anyone.

Are you implying that you are that "true Christian" and that all others are deceived, because they are not agreeing with you? it could be that you have understood some things wrongly...could be? None of us have it all right.

I know that you love God. No doubt about it. So praise God for that!

 

[Sanashankar]

Agree. I never stated otherwise.

I myself would not "like" ALL these posts. Nevertheless, some of the above mentioned things are necessary. No two ways about it.

Are you implying that you are that "true Christian" and that all others are deceived, because they are not agreeing with you? it could be that you have understood some things wrongly...could be? None of us have it all right.

I know that you love God. No doubt about it. So praise God for that!

Everybody are true Christians if they believe what the scripture says, and avoid what the churches teach. I have learned a lot of things after joining christianchat. I have learned a lot of truths from ur posts in " Questions about salvation and the Holy spirit". i don't mark myself to be the true christian. I wish i cud become one. I wish i cud be the chosen one. I live with a hope. that's it.

None of us have it all right. What i have understood is that no mortals will be ever able to understand the truth completely. bacause we are still in the flesh. I do alot of mistakes brother. I sometimes dont understand it. But i never forget to ask God. I ask him to show me the right thing. Churches doesnt teach that.

Knowing the complete truth doesn't make us a true christian i believe. Trying to walk in the path of Jesus Christ, accepting the chastisement of God, following the commandments of the apostles does.

God bless you. i know you love God too...you care, that is why u joined this site and started sharing the word of God

 

[homwardbound]

My husband told the same thing . Its not abt this guy..i mean im not sure whether this guy is doing for fame or he is doing it from heart. But isn't it really what Jesus Christ taught us. Isn't this the way to show the love of our God to people who doesnt know God?

One can only do the Love of God in the Spirit of God, and this is only done by being born again in God's Spirit,
This is a free gift through the death, and resurrected Christ, from God to us all that believe God to have done for us what none of us could ever do for self.
It is not until one decides to die to self with Christ at the death, that they can't see through to the new life that God gives them in God's Spirit and be able to state this as Paul did
Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

through agreeing to die to self, God takes you on a journey, beyond this world where one see:
You are righteous and justified, if you have the peace that passes all understanding; quietness and confidence forever

The above is what one receives in God through co-crucifixion

 

[homwardbound]

To all

I have a doubt. What if the "work" mentioned by Paul, is "rituals". I don't see the word "rituals" in the bible anywhere.

Is there any chance of using the same Greek word for "rituals" and "works" by the apostles?. like we see

1C 5:7 . Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: (passover lamb)
Jn 18:28 . but that they might eat the passover. ( this is the passover lamb)

Jn 13:1 . Now before the feast of the passover ( this one is the feast)

all the verses has the same word

G3957 pascha
the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it).




The same way "sin" and "sin offering"

2C 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

i.e G266 hamartia ham-ar-tee'-ah

a sin (properly abstract).

Hb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin ( G266 the same word "hamartia") thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;

Can anyone help on this?

Christ is the propitiation for sin:
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.

Romans 4:7 saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

do you believe God to have done it all for you or not? It is a key into opening the doorway to new life here and now in God.
Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

How can anyone of us ever do this?
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

What it is done, God did it, So am I going to believe God or not?

I can believe God and step into new life right here and now?
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[homwardbound]

You are mistaken my brother. You are not understanding me. Salvation is not something which is given to you on a "Sunday" when u were baptized or reborn and it remains with you/me "till our death".

Mt 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mk 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Salvation is not like "once u are saved, u are saved forever". We have to overcome the world till the end. Salvation is given by the God, it is our responsibility to keep it till the end. We have to walk in the path of Jesus Christ. We have to imitate Jesus Christ and the apostles.



As if some one has taken this post seriously. I will be liked by Christians ( not true followers of Jesus Christ) only if I start a thread with such headings "baptism is necessary" or "sinners will burn in fire" or "church is necessary" or "miracle healing, tongues etc" etc....

True Christians are always attacked by the mere Christians everywhere. They call them heretic, fools, curse of God, swine, satan and what not. but still they try to spread what they believe because they love God. It is not to convince anyone.

So sister what is better to be an imitator and can't fulfill perfectly? Or a possessor that has fulfilled you? Now I speak of the Christ that no man can imitate as many have tried. Food for thought here