Attack of the seventh day adventists

[JaumeJ]

I do not expect you to have read all of what I have attempted to share here in the Forum, but I have posted this many times before, but here it is anyways.

The curse of the law is punishment and ultimately death. We are all free of this curse by the grace afforded by Yeshua unless we habitually use His grace as an excuse to sin, and sin is breaking the law, or lawlessness. You knew that.

What is the curse of the Law other than the death penalty?

 

[john832]

1) In the bible, I fail to see any difference between a Commandment and a law. Both are being required by God.

2) God's moral laws are forever. The ceremonial laws given to Moses are obsolete under the new covenant. Those laws were a foreshadow of things to come.

3) The Sabbath and other ceremonial laws are under the old covenant. The are perfunctory. If you keep one of those laws then you are guilty of breaking the ones you do not keep. That is why James said:



If you keep the law of the Sabbath, then you must obey all the other laws. There is no such thing as partially obey the law! Those who are obeying the law, in part or in full are severed from Christ and no longer under grace. (Gal 5:4) This is why it is dangerous to obey the Sabbath or any of the ceremonial laws of Moses, as a law or command of God.

What? You mean this is not true...

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.
Isa 59:4 None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

So this is how you would read this...

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your obedience has separated between you and your God, and your obedience has hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are not defiled with blood, and your fingers do right; your lips have spoken truth, your tongue hath muttered good things.
Isa 59:4 None calleth for injustice, nor any pleadeth for lies: they trust in humility, and speak truth; they conceive goodness, and bring forth honesty and fairness.

Because obedience is sin?

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

 

[john832]

The two great commandments of Moses law are:

1. love GOD
2. love your neighbor

which are both summarized in this one law:

1. do to others as you would have them do to you, or love your neighbor as yourself

The two great commandments of Jesus' law are:

1. believe in Christ
2. love your neighbor

Which is greater; the law of Christ or the law of Moses?

Nice misdirect, but Moses did not write any Laws, he simply transcribed the statutes and judgements. As far as the Ten Commandments, who wrote the Ten Commandments?

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

You can call them a space shuttle if you want to, but God Almighty wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger on teh two tablets of stone.

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Now do you seriously believe this is the Law of Moses?



Hmmm, lets look at a few examples of "Moses" Law...

Exo 21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

Who is speaking here? Moses or God?

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Did Moses just make this stuff up? Or did God dictate to him what to tell the people and what to write.

If you call these Laws the law of some man, then it is easier to dismiss them than if you acknowledge these Laws came from God.

 

[KohenMatt]

For me, it goes back to the concept that God told His people to follow the Torah forever. He never distinguished between "Jew" and "Gentile". His people were to follow His Torah, His Law, His Teachings forever.

Jesus/Yeshua/God Incarnate comes along and never once says to stop following the Torah/Law/Teachings. Jesus' instructions were the exact opposite....

Matthew 5:17-20 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

So God's only instruction from His mouth about the Torah was for God's people to follow it, both in the OT and the NT.

Then Paul comes along and says some controversial, confusing and apparently contradicting remarks about the Torah. All of us on both sides of this Torah vs. Non-Torah can list a multitude of verses where Paul is supporting "our" side.

But Paul is merely a commentary on the Gospel, on Jesus' remarks and actions. Paul's words aren't the Gospel; Jesus' words are the Gospel. Paul expands on the source of the Gospel. Paul can't do or say anything against that Gospel, or else he would be a hypocrite. So did Paul change what God said would be for His people forever? Did Paul change what Jesus said would be for His people forever? If we really believe Paul was a true disciple anointed by God to share the Gospel and teach people God's ways, wouldn't every one of his teaching fall in line with God's words and Jesus' words?

Summary/Conclusion:
1) God said follow His ways forever
2) Jesus said to follow them forever
3) Neither God nor Jesus said to stop following them.
4) All of Paul's words must agree with those statements.

For me it's easy. But it's OK if people don't see it that way. It doesn't change where our salvation lies. I have too many brothers and sisters in here to be encouraged by, regardless of where they fall on Torah vs. Non-Torah. Why?

IT'S NOT A SALVATION ISSUE.

Have a great day, folks.
Matt

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nice misdirect, but Moses did not write any Laws, he simply transcribed the statutes and judgements. As far as the Ten Commandments, who wrote the Ten Commandments?

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

You can call them a space shuttle if you want to, but God Almighty wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger on teh two tablets of stone.

Deu 9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

Now do you seriously believe this is the Law of Moses?



Hmmm, lets look at a few examples of "Moses" Law...

Exo 21:1 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.

Who is speaking here? Moses or God?

Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.

Did Moses just make this stuff up? Or did God dictate to him what to tell the people and what to write.

If you call these Laws the law of some man, then it is easier to dismiss them than if you acknowledge these Laws came from God.

Of course the law of Moses is the law of GOD. Moses was the mediator.

And the law of Christ is the law of the one true GOD. Christ is the mediator.

I don't dismiss the law of GOD. What I do dismiss are the reasonings and rationalizations of people (like yourself) who are so spiritually blind they can't make the distinction between a covenant of law and a covenant of grace, or discern their place in history.

I dismiss the rebellion that fully rejects the clear counsel of the apostles who ruled that gentiles are not required to be circumcised and thus bound to the old covenant and its laws.

I reject the false religion that has replaced faith with keeping laws, and has enshrined the law as an idol through unbelief.

These things are completely alien to the gospel; and people who proclaim these things do not know the one true GOD and Jesus Christ whom he sent. People who teach these things worship an image of GOD, and indulge in an idolatry of imagined obedience.

 

[john832]

Col. 2: 16 mean anything to you? That says do not let other's judge you in what you eat or drink.

How about the vision Peter had where God told him to kill and eat unclean animals? It seems very clear to me that God Himself has done away with all Jewish dietary requirements.

Then why didn't Peter get that message from it?

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Peter did get the message and it wasn't that he could stick anything in his mouth and call it food...

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Paul didn't get that message about anything being edible either...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

What does sanctified mean? From Thayers...

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G40
Citing in TDNT: 1:111, 14

Now where do we find creatures to eat that are separate from profane things? Creatures god calls clean?

Lev 11 and Deut 14. Paul got the message about the gentiles, he also understood the message about clean and unclean meats.

 

[JaumeJ]

Please bear in mind the covenant was made with Abraham. There were many "brits" made with individuals and with man, but the covenant made with Abraham is the promise of Yeshua and grace for the Jews and the nations. Remember, and never forget, the Gate of the enemies of Abraham, that is Yeshua, is possessed by the children of Abraham. We are children of Abraham by faith. This by no means is stating the Jews are now exluded, to the contrary, they are the original olive tree.

Of course the law of Moses is the law of GOD. Moses was the mediator.

And the law of Christ is the law of the one true GOD. Christ is the mediator.

I don't dismiss the law of GOD. What I do dismiss are the reasonings and rationalizations of people (like yourself) who are so spiritually blind they can't make the distinction between a covenant of law and a covenant of grace, or their place in history.

I dismiss the rebellion that fully rejects the clear counsel of the apostles who ruled that gentiles are not required to be circumcised and thus bound to the old covenant and its laws.

I reject the false religion that has replaced faith with keeping laws, and has enshrined the law as an idol through unbelief.

What you and others proclaim is completely alien to the gospel; and you do so because you do not know the one true GOD and Jesus Christ whom he sent. People who teach these things worship an image of GOD, and indulge in an idolatry of imagined obedience.

 

[john832]

Of course the law of Moses is the law of GOD. Moses was the mediator.

And the law of Christ is the law of the one true GOD. Christ is the mediator.

I don't dismiss the law of GOD. What I do dismiss are the reasonings and rationalizations of people (like yourself) who are so spiritually blind they can't make the distinction between a covenant of law and a covenant of grace, or their place in history.

You have dismissed the fourth one.

I dismiss the rebellion that fully rejects the clear counsel of the apostles who ruled that gentiles are not required to be circumcised and thus bound to the old covenant and its laws.

The Old Covenant and the Law are two different things. The New Covenant is the writing of those Laws in our hearts and minds. If you dismiss the Law, you have dismissed the New Covenant also.

I reject the false religion that has replaced faith with keeping laws, and has enshrined the law as an idol through unbelief.

I dismiss any religion that has replaced the Law with faith only. They are both equally valid...

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

I dismiss any teaching that is in direct contradiction with plain statelments of Jesus Christ...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

What you and others proclaim is completely alien to the gospel; and you do so because you do not know the one true GOD and Jesus Christ whom he sent. People who teach these things worship an image of GOD, and indulge in an idolatry of imagined obedience.

Hmmm, quoting Jesus Christ is alien to the gospel? I dismiss your opinions.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You have dismissed the fourth one.



The Old Covenant and the Law are two different things. The New Covenant is the writing of those Laws in our hearts and minds. If you dismiss the Law, you have dismissed the New Covenant also.



I dismiss any religion that has replaced the Law with faith only. They are both equally valid...

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

I dismiss any teaching that is in direct contradiction with plain statelments of Jesus Christ...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Hmmm, quoting Jesus Christ is alien to the gospel? I dismiss your opinions.

You are proclaiming another gospel from what Paul proclaimed. Woe unto you...

 

[john832]

You are proclaiming another gospel from what Paul proclaimed. Woe unto you...

Woe to me for quoting Christ? Well alrighty then, woe to me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Woe to me for quoting Christ? Well alrighty then, woe to me.

Then you , Paul and I are in agreement. Amen.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9
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[john832]

Then you , Paul and I are in agreement. Amen.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9
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And Paul said...

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

I am not so sure you are on the same page that Paul and I are on.

 

[Josh321]

@ john and JaumeJ i know you both have good intentions and we all love the lord and want to do what is right in his eyes correct? now we know that many covenants were made, i'm trying my best to show you what is there but since that isn't really working i would just like to see what you think about these scriptures, what does it mean to you, i would give my explanation and you give yours fair enough? i'm gonna go scripture by scripture and explain then you can do the same, this isn't about who is right or wrong we just want the truth correct?

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.


6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

you see that right there? but NOW hate he obtained a more excellent ministry we can clearly see what he is talking about here he is making a more excellent ministry of a better covenant than moses, it's right there it said so, remember we looking for the truth not who is right or wrong, we clearly see who is talking about a better covenant than the one he gave to moses.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

now we know their is many covenants but we can clearly see that this scripture is talking about the covenant that moses gave because at the beginning of the scripture it was talking about making a better covenant than this one correct or not? it is right there, do you see what this scripture is saying here? it that covenant was found faultless they wouldn't had a need for a new covenant but it was found with fault correct? the scripture said so.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

see that? because fault was found with them God made a new covenant with them because they continued not with the covenant of moses, and were found with a fault towards it so they had to be need for a second.

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

what covenant was made when God took them out of egypt? we can clearly see what is going on here, you see that? because they continued not in the covenant that was made with them, god regarded them not, but what did he do about this?

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


after looking at this we can clearly see the covenant made with israel when God took them out of Egypt was only meant for israel, why? because look at the new covenant he made with them the entire house of israel knows God which means they don't have to tell each other about him because they know him by heart, but, we were commanded to preach the gospel throughout the earth, do you see? do you see the description that was made about the first covenant? Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

the rest is up to you to accept it.. i mean the word of God shows it to us right there if it was meant for israel in the first place why do we atempt to keep it? and if it was decayeth and waxeth old, why do we still attempt to keep it, i'm only trying my best to show you all this because i love you and don't want to see you going down the wrong path, it isn't about who is right or wrong.. it's about the truth agreed? and i know we all love the lord and because we love him we will accept his words.now look at the covenant made for us when we are born again.

Hebrews 10:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,


16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

now the law that will be put into our hearts are the spirit of the law which makes us righteous and a new creature in christ, we will know the will of the lord in our hearts and the truth will be revealed to us. God bless

 

[KohenMatt]

@ john and JaumeJ i know you both have good intentions and we all love the lord and want to do what is right in his eyes correct? now we know that many covenants were made, i'm trying my best to show you what is there but since that isn't really working i would just like to see what you think about these scriptures, what does it mean to you, i would give my explanation and you give yours fair enough? i'm gonna go scripture by scripture and explain then you can do the same, this isn't about who is right or wrong we just want the truth correct?

5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.


6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

you see that right there? but NOW hate he obtained a more excellent ministry we can clearly see what he is talking about here he is making a more excellent ministry of a better covenant than moses, it's right there it said so, remember we looking for the truth not who is right or wrong, we clearly see who is talking about a better covenant than the one he gave to moses.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

now we know their is many covenants but we can clearly see that this scripture is talking about the covenant that moses gave because at the beginning of the scripture it was talking about making a better covenant than this one correct or not? it is right there, do you see what this scripture is saying here? it that covenant was found faultless they wouldn't had a need for a new covenant but it was found with fault correct? the scripture said so.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

see that? because fault was found with them God made a new covenant with them because they continued not with the covenant of moses, and were found with a fault towards it so they had to be need for a second.

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

what covenant was made when God took them out of egypt? we can clearly see what is going on here, you see that? because they continued not in the covenant that was made with them, god regarded them not, but what did he do about this?

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.


12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


after looking at this we can clearly see the covenant made with israel when God took them out of Egypt was only meant for israel, why? because look at the new covenant he made with them the entire house of israel knows God which means they don't have to tell each other about him because they know him by heart, but, we were commanded to preach the gospel throughout the earth, do you see? do you see the description that was made about the first covenant? Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

the rest is up to you to accept it.. i mean the word of God shows it to us right there if it was meant for israel in the first place why do we atempt to keep it? and if it was decayeth and waxeth old, why do we still attempt to keep it, i'm only trying my best to show you all this because i love you and don't want to see you going down the wrong path, it isn't about who is right or wrong.. it's about the truth agreed? and i know we all love the lord and because we love him we will accept his words.now look at the covenant made for us when we are born again.

Hebrews 10:14-17
King James Version (KJV)
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,


16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

now the law that will be put into our hearts are the spirit of the law which makes us righteous and a new creature in christ, we will know the will of the lord in our hearts and the truth will be revealed to us. God bless

Out of curiosity Josh, do you have any verses from Jesus on the subject?

 

[john832]

now the law that will be put into our hearts are the spirit of the law which makes us righteous and a new creature in christ, we will know the will of the lord in our hearts and the truth will be revealed to us. God bless

The Law that will be put into our hearts and minds is the Torah...

The quote you referenced in Heb 8:8-11 is a direct quote of Jer 31:31-34...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The word for Law in verse 33 is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

So tell me Josh, what Law is it that God will write in our hearts and minds under the New Covenant?

 

[Josh321]

The Law that will be put into our hearts and minds is the Torah...

The quote you referenced in Heb 8:8-11 is a direct quote of Jer 31:31-34...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The word for Law in verse 33 is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

So tell me Josh, what Law is it that God will write in our hearts and minds under the New Covenant?

i just explained and showed you.. that the covenant made with israel and israel only and God even change that covenant and made a new one... i give up though if you don't want to accept it nothing more i can do.. God bless

 

[Josh321]

Out of curiosity Josh, do you have any verses from Jesus on the subject?

i'm not too sure what you're trying to ask me all i can do is show you what the scriptures says about the covenant made with israel when God took them out of egypt, and the covenant God made with us with the holy spirit that will change the nature of our hearts and mind

 

[KohenMatt]

I'm asking if you know of any verses where Jesus addresses the topic of whether we should follow the Torah/law, and in particular if He says we shouldn't follow it.

 

[john832]

i'm not too sure what you're trying to ask me all i can do is show you what the scriptures says about the covenant made with israel when God took them out of egypt, and the covenant God made with us with the holy spirit that will change the nature of our hearts and mind

The New Covenant is made with who?

 

[JaumeJ]

We worship what we know. We know by faith, the Word, and ultimately by the confirmation of the Holy Spirit. People who do not know by the same means will tend to argue anything that is shared, and this should not be. All should go to Yeshua, for He has asked us (for me a command) to learn of Him for His yoke is easy, and His burden is light, amen.

I'm asking if you know of any verses where Jesus addresses the topic of whether we should follow the Torah/law, and in particular if He says we shouldn't follow it.