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Okay then, but sin is not sin until the actual act, so when she ate sin conceived
[h=3]James 1:12-15[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: [SUP]14 [/SUP]but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
If she had walked away then sin would not have been born
Good analogy though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. those first three were the tempters to conceive death, and would not have been death without the consummation of that trees fruit
[h=3]James 1:12-15[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: [SUP]14 [/SUP]but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
If she had walked away then sin would not have been born
Good analogy though!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. those first three were the tempters to conceive death, and would not have been death without the consummation of that trees fruit
Free will was God's plan and in order for us to have free will there must be a choice, and God even said it clear, if you eat from this tree you will surely die, and Man in God's Spirit did die as a matter of fact. Which caused flesh to die as well, not being whole anymore.
Then God by God's Mercy has given the way through Son to be reconciled, redeemed, forgiven, and new life is available in God's risen Spirit via the resurrection on Christ at the cross.
God's Mercy goes on forever, and is waiting for us each individually choose God over all else, and one freely does this when they see this:
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Then this begins to happen in the life of the believer in God through Christ:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Then God by God's Mercy has given the way through Son to be reconciled, redeemed, forgiven, and new life is available in God's risen Spirit via the resurrection on Christ at the cross.
God's Mercy goes on forever, and is waiting for us each individually choose God over all else, and one freely does this when they see this:
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Then this begins to happen in the life of the believer in God through Christ:
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Before the fall, man did not know right from wrong, was not aware of flesh. And when they ate they went and hid covering themselves, knowing they were naked.
So all they knew was good, no knowledge of evil prior to the eating from that tree. After they knew what is good and what is not, choosing self over others unless others agreed with them. They became as God. So guess what Adam had to till the ground in toils. and the woman reminded of her sorrow at childbirth. So much to see, to learn and know, and only God can reveal truth.
Bottom line, God continued on in God's Mercy to us all. Yet there are always consequences for every action and or reaction to whatever situation one is in. Maybe we each might need to turn to God and ask, to see truth and love as God does Love
So all they knew was good, no knowledge of evil prior to the eating from that tree. After they knew what is good and what is not, choosing self over others unless others agreed with them. They became as God. So guess what Adam had to till the ground in toils. and the woman reminded of her sorrow at childbirth. So much to see, to learn and know, and only God can reveal truth.
Bottom line, God continued on in God's Mercy to us all. Yet there are always consequences for every action and or reaction to whatever situation one is in. Maybe we each might need to turn to God and ask, to see truth and love as God does Love
Agreed and is in need to seek it out, and yes it is only God that can do what God does do and that is through Christ as shown through the cross.
I think it takes seeking God's Mercy truly, and God decides to whom he will have Mercy on, knowing the thoughts, and motives of the ones seeking truth. Thus God decides who he will reveal truth to, as in born again from God
I think it takes seeking God's Mercy truly, and God decides to whom he will have Mercy on, knowing the thoughts, and motives of the ones seeking truth. Thus God decides who he will reveal truth to, as in born again from God
thanks, and the same for you and all.
To me no free will, makes me a puppet, for I am left with after the cross to either believe God or not. That is the only thing God never died for and is what Blasphemy is all about. Otherwise he could have taken free will and caused all to believe with no free choice, being puppets on strings, not having a life of any freedom.
Today is the day to make the choice to serve God, or self
To me no free will, makes me a puppet, for I am left with after the cross to either believe God or not. That is the only thing God never died for and is what Blasphemy is all about. Otherwise he could have taken free will and caused all to believe with no free choice, being puppets on strings, not having a life of any freedom.
Today is the day to make the choice to serve God, or self
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
do we believe this or not? So after this then what?
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
do we believe this or not? So after this then what?
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; [SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
J
Very good.
If you look at the usage of Adam in Genesis 1-3, it is used as a specific person.
Also, the distinction of male from female is not illegitimate, as scripture in Genesis 2 describes Eve as a woman, rather than as an adam. It seems you're grasping at straws to try and turn it into something else. Nonetheless, you missed my point in the original question.
The question was intended to point out someones misuse of scripture. One person was emphasizing the "All" in "draws all men" beyond it's intended meaning. So I did the same, by using the word "Man" to exclude women, attempting to get the author to respond by saying it included women. Which from that point I would have continued by explaining that one does not get to misuse scripture how they like.
Just as you cannot claim there is not an eternal hell in which a great majority of the world will reside, just because you don't like the sound of it.
If you look at the usage of Adam in Genesis 1-3, it is used as a specific person.
Also, the distinction of male from female is not illegitimate, as scripture in Genesis 2 describes Eve as a woman, rather than as an adam. It seems you're grasping at straws to try and turn it into something else. Nonetheless, you missed my point in the original question.
The question was intended to point out someones misuse of scripture. One person was emphasizing the "All" in "draws all men" beyond it's intended meaning. So I did the same, by using the word "Man" to exclude women, attempting to get the author to respond by saying it included women. Which from that point I would have continued by explaining that one does not get to misuse scripture how they like.
Just as you cannot claim there is not an eternal hell in which a great majority of the world will reside, just because you don't like the sound of it.