Charis-mania/chaos and related movements, discussion, research, cautions/warnings

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zone

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R.C. Sproul (strange fire) #12 - YouTube < click

the Strange Fire Conference thing.

steve lawson (#11) on cessationists standing firm.

like.....yay!
good one still:)

steve lawson has some really good sermons on it at SermonAudio.com
 
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(I'll apologize now, because this is going to come across as sarcastic.)


I'll never forget when my friend invited me to come with her to her church service. At that time I thought it was just straight-up Pentecostal, and I'd been to an Assembly of God church before, so I thought I knew what I was in for. Ohh no.

She attended a church I am far more familiar with since attending and doing research on. She went to a United Pentecostal Oneness/Holiness "church".

First Impressions: Everyone looked like they were rejected from a casting call for "Little House on the Prairie, the later years." Denim jumpers as far as the eye could see. I thought it was odd, but not a deal breaker. All the women had no makeup on (For makeup is of the devil) and also no jewelry - save for watches. (Was told that jewelry, especially earrings was a sign of a Baal Worshipper.)

No woman wore trousers ever, especially not in church. (God has a place in His Heart for culottes, though. He doesn't feel large, out-of-style ladies pants are an abomination.)

And under no circumstances is any girl/woman able to cut her hair after receiving the "holyghost" (It was always pronounced as if it was a single word, and almost like holocaust) For to cut one's hair or wearing trousers was tantamount to cross-dressing. I was told that since my hair was cut, I was practically a butch lesbian. (I was seriously told this.) Looking at the older women's hair was kind of gross. When you don't cut the dead ends off, your hair pretty much dies. One woman resembled Crystal Gayle, her hair was so long, but the last 2 feet of it resembled a horse tail because it was so dry and nasty. This is what God desires, though. So who am I to judge.

This is the least of my worries though. If you want your women to look like haggard rejects from some denim emporium, have at it. The "Worship" is what troubled me the most.

The leader announced it was time for prayer. Everyone leaped out of their seats and began milling around the room, chanting the name of Jesus in a kind of sing-songy voice. No prayers were uttered. Just chanting His name, like they were shamans attempting to summon Jesus to the sanctuary. I sat in my pew and prayed that God would open my eyes. He did.

The music was very uplifting. No mention was made of the Trinity, due to the Oneness doctrines, but I appreciated the fervor to which I felt they praised the Name of Jesus. I liked the music.

The sermon was very Jesse Jackson/black preacher/fire and brimstone-esque. (Though he was caucasian) I like a good rousing sermon. I cannot recall the topic, but I didn't find a whole lot that I disagreed with that he said. I was surprised.

After that came the altar call/prayer time/exercise session? of the morning. This is what freaked me out enough to ask for God to protect me from the people of the church. I wasn't sure I wouldn't be burned on the altar or something else.. It was that freaky.

The pastor asked everyone to stand, and then called the elders of the church to come forward to pray. As soon as they came forward the chaos began. People were shouting, jumping wildly about, hopping from one leg to another, running around the sanctuary, falling to the ground in a heap, chanting and gibbering (with no one translating, mind you), they were getting close to me, and at one point I thought they would channel me up to the front to burn the heretic or something. The "pastor" was up on the altar moving in a way like he was being possessed, the way he jerked about and moaned and then he threw himself onto the chair on the stage and then loudly dropped to his knees. It looked to me like I was watching a mass demonic possession take place, and that's what it felt like to me as well. The people were making so much noise, how could anyone focus on praying to God? I sat down in my pew and prayed for peace, for protection, and for these people to come to know the God I know. This utter craziness lasted for about 10 minutes. It felt like an hour to me, but then time slows down to a crawl when I am freaked out.

One by one the people started slowing the chanting/glossolalia/chaos and people returned to their pews. There were a few hopping fools who didn't seem to want it to end, but eventually it all calmed down, Thank God! The pastor dismissed the crowd, and everyone left remarking what a wonderful time of worship they'd just experienced.

It just left me feeling cold, shell-shocked, and wondering which god they all just finished worshiping.
 

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[video=youtube;XOTsrY4_n3I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOTsrY4_n3I[/video]

Patricia King: Seeing Immediate Prayer Results!

Uploaded on Sep 20, 2008

Recently the Lord spoke to Patricia and gave her an amazing promise for the body of Christ.

It has to do with the power of prayer and our ability to see our decrees established in the earth as soon as we declare them. There is no time or distance in the eternal realm, so when we access that divine realm through prayers of faith we can see immediate results here in the earth. As Patricia unpacks this revelation, your faith will leap and your prayers will launch into new levels of expectation and power! She then prays for you to receive an infusion of the spirit of faith so that your prayer life leaps to a level beyond anything youve ever dreamed of.





hi Patricia, g-d here.

could you give an amazing promise to the church for me?

ya...i'm planning to make sure the church sees their decrees established in the earth as soon as they declare them, so they can see immediate results there on the earth.

could you make sure you unpack this direct revelation from me, since i know i forgot to mention any of that in my word.

then if you have time, could you pray for them to receive an infusion of the spirit of faith so that their prayer life leaps to a level beyond anything they've ever dreamed?

what's that?

no, it doesn't matter what they decree - i guess i just hoped to see that their decrees would be established on the earth as soon as they declare them, so they can see immediate results there on the earth.

okay, thanks Patricia.
you're very helpful, since i forgot to write any of this down.
thanks for mentioning that part about 'There is no time or distance in the eternal realm'

k....ttyl
 
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A Fire is Moving

Prophecy given on: October 29, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Anne Tate, Acijam Oxtoa, Lisa Lyons, Marty Cassidy, Allen Faubion


Let me tell you something, there’s something about the fire of God that’s coming under attack right now. There are people out there who are wanting to say that the fire of God is something that you can control. But I’m telling you when the fire of God burns it is the strangest of all fires because it burns at the oddest times, in the oddest ways. And it burns in a way that cannot be contained; it cannot be controlled by the hands of men. Now listen that’s what God wants to do in each one of us right now he wants to burn in us.

But we say Lord we don’t know how that’s going to happen. He’s says I don’t care if you don’t know because He says now is the time for My Fire to burn. Don’t be afraid of the strange character of His Fire. Don’t let anyone lie to you and say its strange fire because I’m telling you says the Lord My Fire is the strangest and the most powerful of all!

And something is happening in this atmosphere it is changing. There’s a release of the angelic. And they did not come today to sing with us they came to loose the Holy Fire from the Altar of God. And if you reach up the Lord says, I will loose a fire, I will loose a fire on you. I will release a fire in your belly and He says reach up, feel the fire, feel the burn!

I heard the Lord say firestorm! Now a firestorm is a blaze that is so big it creates its own wind patterns. And the Lord says the fire that I Am sending, the fire from My Altar that is burning in My People is of such a thing that it is creating its own weather patterns. It is creating the Winds of Heaven and there is no weather system in the earth, there is nothing in the hand of man that can change it or alter it or stop it!

For in this Fire there this a great change and the change it has making it and is the changing of the cloth that is on top of the table. Watch as I remove the cloth from the table and I’m serving a new table when you flourish in it: do not forget all the things around you. Focus on the table and watch My Hand revel the mantle of the table and put a brand new and double that and see how I distribute the flourish of My Glory over the table! Now come to the Table of Fire!

I’m getting ready to send you out as the fire in the night; you are going to be My fiery ones into the night of this world. You are going to be those that are standing as burning bushes and fire in the night as you move.



Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. - CLICK 3 MINUTE VIDEO:rolleyes:


...

Charles D. "Chuck" Pierce serves as President of Global Spheres, Inc. (GSI) in Corinth, Texas. This is an apostolic, prophetic ministry that is being used to gather and mobilize the worshipping Triumphant Reserve throughout the world. GSI facilitates other ministries as well, and participates in regional and national gatherings to develop new Kingdom paradigms. Peter and Doris Wagner complete the leadership team of this new wineskin. Chuck also serves as President of Glory of Zion International Ministries, a ministry that aligns Jew and Gentile. He is known for his accurate prophetic gifting which helps direct nations, cities, churches and individuals in understanding the times and seasons in which we live.

Chuck has a degree in Business from Texas A&M, Master’s work in Cognitive Systems from the University of North Texas, and a D. Min. from the Wagner Leadership Institute.
 

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For in this Fire there this a great change and the change it has making it and is the changing of the cloth that is on top of the table.

Watch as I remove the cloth from the table and I’m serving a new table when you flourish in it: do not forget all the things around you.

Focus on the table and watch My Hand revel the mantle of the table and put a brand new and double that and see how I distribute the flourish of My Glory over the table! Now come to the Table of Fire!

 

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[video=youtube;54Xg53xB9FY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Xg53xB9FY[/video]

Signs and Wonders Today by Glenn Bleakney

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God tells Bleakney - Medical Doctor; Medical Doctor (nothing more, just those cues from above, parently)

lo and behold...ppl come about a sick father-in-law....who is a medical doctor.

Bleakney, et al anoint a shirt...they take the anointed shirt to the father-in-law who wears it to bed, and gets healed from depression and high blood pressure.

...stuff about a financial miracle.

...stuff about Bleakney et al praying for an entire family - of Hindus - in India, and they all get healed.

so....ya.

closing frame - FIRE, flames etc.
 

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TESTIMONIES

November.21.12

A university theology professor had based his theology on his experience of disappointment when a loved one died of illness. He set up a debate between someone who believes that miracles happen and someone who believes they don't. Asked to argue that miracles happen, a minister said he would do it only if he could be the second speaker and could demonstrate that miracles do happen. After he spoke, he asked if anyone needed a miracle. A woman came forward with a glass eye. He prayed a couple of times. She said her eye felt as if it were bulging and tweaking. Then the glass eye popped out onto her hand, and a new eye replaced it. It took two or three weeks to gain sight in the new eye.

Bill Johnson(s Bethel Ministries)
Out with the Old; In with the New | Bethel Church



thats it.
the whole thing.
no names, documentation - nuthin.
does anyone know about this professor or the debate or the lady with the new eye or anything:confused: