Attack of the Judaizers

[Kerry]

What will law keeping do for you? You must come to the foot of the cross and admit that you are a sinful man or women, Then the Holy Spirit will renew you and cause you to hate and detest sin. Man is bond by sin and has know way out save the cross and if we place our faith in anything else we again become bound by sin. Because God will accept nothing but faith in the cross. Work your brains out and it is to no avail. unless your faith is in the cross. Can law save you, can law sanctify you. the law was given to show just how sinful you are and is our judge. But if our faith is in the cross, we are declared not guilty not by our actions but by our faith. Thats how Abraham was considered righteous by his faith and not by what he did.

 

[Hizikyah]

What will law keeping do for you? You must come to the foot of the cross and admit that you are a sinful man or women, Then the Holy Spirit will renew you and cause you to hate and detest sin. Man is bond by sin and has know way out save the cross and if we place our faith in anything else we again become bound by sin. Because God will accept nothing but faith in the cross. Work your brains out and it is to no avail. unless your faith is in the cross. Can law save you, can law sanctify you. the law was given to show just how sinful you are and is our judge. But if our faith is in the cross, we are declared not guilty not by our actions but by our faith. Thats how Abraham was considered righteous by his faith and not by what he did.

So I have faith in the blood of Messiah not a piece of wood.

Once one has accepted the blood of Messiah they would then turn in obedience to Yahweh's Law:

Yahchanan (John) 5:14, Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you.

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."
8451. torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw') Short Definition: law

Is the Torah written on your heart? How can you detest something that is supposed to be written on your heart?

You also said that the holy Spirit will make one detest sin, I agree:

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

But it seems most hate the Law of Yahweh.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Is your mind opposed to Yahweh's Law? (and not some made up version, but what He says is His Law)

 

[danschance]

yes I did, it was a vision, visions have meanings.

Think about this: "but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean. Because of this, I came without objection"

So Kepha (Peter) has a vision, and he is uncertain what it means, and later his conclusion is clearly written "but Yahweh has shown me" Shown what? "that I must not call any man common or unclean"

Come on Danschance, we disagree on much but you cant see that?

Originally Posted by Hizikyah

It was a vision, it had a meaning.

Why is there a statue in Daniyl made of 4 different metals if there is not a literal statue?

It was a vision, it had a meaning.

ACTS 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean. Because of this, I came without objection when I was sent for. So now I ask, for what reason have you sent for me?"

You still dont get it, maybe you never will in this life.

The vision was about food not gentiles. Yet you ignore that is about food and declare it must be ONLY about food based on a single verse that never mentions the vision. You are interpreting the vision based on the next verses which do not reference the vision at all. A child can understand the vision is about food but you can't.

The ramifications of the vision is that it is declaring the concept of clean/unclean to no longer be binding.
1) Food is neither clean or unclean.
2) Gentiles are neither clean or unclean.
3) ceremonial washings do not make a person clean or unclean.

This dove tails into what Jesus taught:

18 Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) Mark 7:18-19

 

[Rockbysea]

Abraham did what? He cheated on his wife and produced a bastard son.

Abraham was a friend of God so I can’t help but feel offended by this. Where in the scripture does it say that Abraham “cheated” on his wife? .Yes… Abraham was not perfect but you’re making him out to be at the bottom of the barrel. If you accuse a friend of God of “cheating on his wife” please produce the scripture that supports this.

 

[Hizikyah]

You still dont get it, maybe you never will in this life.

The vision was about food not gentiles. Yet you ignore that is about food and declare it must be ONLY about food based on a single verse that never mentions the vision. You are interpreting the vision based on the next verses which do not reference the vision at all. A child can understand the vision is about food but you can't.

The ramifications of the vision is that it is declaring the concept of clean/unclean to no longer be binding.
1) Food is neither clean or unclean.
2) Gentiles are neither clean or unclean.
3) ceremonial washings do not make a person clean or unclean.

This dove tails into what Jesus taught:

(Thus He declared all foods clean.) Is not in the greek and added I have posted the greek to you today.

also you continually twistMark 7 is about a pharisee hand washing ritual:Mark 7:1-9, "Then the Pharisees and certain scribes came together to Him, having come from Yerusalem. And when they saw some of His disciples eating bread with defiled- that is to say, unwashed--hands, they found fault. (Now the Pharisees, and the Yahdaim generally, never eat without washing their hands, holding the tradition of the elders. And when they come from the marketplaces, they do not eat unless they wash. And many other traditions they observe, such as the ritual washing of cups, pots, bronze utensils, and beds.) Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him; Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? He answered, and said to them: Well has Isayah prophesied of you hypocrites--as it is written: This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrine the commandments of men. For laying aside the Law of Yahweh, you hold the tradition of men! Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

 

[phil112]

Yahweh's
Yahchanan Yahshua
Yeremyah
Yahchanan Law of Yahweh.
Yahweh Law of Yahweh, Yahweh."

Yahweh's Law? (and not some made up version, but what He says is His Law)

Really, what is it with the intentional mispelling of the bible?

 

[Kerry]

Hiz, you must understand the sin nature. Which I'm sure that is a new term for you. Look, we are controlled and ruled by the sin nature. Satan knew what he was doing when he convinced Adam to sin against God. Why? because all of us were in the loins of Adam and therefore we are born to sin. Think of it before we got saved, we rolled, played, and enjoyed are sin. Just as sinners do today. They fight politically to keep their love of sin. Yet when the Gospel came and tugged are hearts and we burst in tears and admitted our sinful ways and confessed Jesus as our Lord and savoir. Something changed, We fell in love with the word of God and we enjoyed attending church it was like a weight was lifted off our shoulders But, please look at romans 6,7,8. When we take our faith off the work of the cross and place it in what we are doing, God will not accept it and we find ourselves doing things that we do not want to do. Paul said the things I will to do I do not and the things I will not to do those I do. What do you think he was talking about. He said I find in my members a law that wars against my mind and even being held captive by it. That my friend is bondage. Bondage comes from sin and he was talking about trying to keep law. When the law came I died. Who will deliver me from this body of bondage? Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ who was died but rose again that I might be saved. We need a redeemer and it is not law but Christ and Him Crucified and faith placed in that work is the only thing that will and by placing our faith in that works allows the Holy Spirit to produce in us good works. It is not by might nor by power but My Spirit saith the Lord.

Thats it in a nutshell

 

[Hizikyah]

Really, what is it with the intentional mispelling of the bible?

SO....?

Yeremyah is not in the original?

Is it Jeremiah?

Because J didnt exist in ancient Hebrew and did not even exist in English until the 16th century.

and are you implying I should follow the law of the Pharisee and replace YHWH with Lord?

no I dont follow tradition, only Yahweh.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hiz, you must understand the sin nature. Which I'm sure that is a new term for you. Look, we are controlled and ruled by the sin nature. Satan knew what he was doing when he convinced Adam to sin against God. Why? because all of us were in the loins of Adam and therefore we are born to sin. Think of it before we got saved, we rolled, played, and enjoyed are sin. Just as sinners do today. They fight politically to keep their love of sin. Yet when the Gospel came and tugged are hearts and we burst in tears and admitted our sinful ways and confessed Jesus as our Lord and savoir. Something changed, We fell in love with the word of God and we enjoyed attending church it was like a weight was lifted off our shoulders But, please look at romans 6,7,8. When we take our faith off the work of the cross and place it in what we are doing, God will not accept it and we find ourselves doing things that we do not want to do. Paul said the things I will to do I do not and the things I will not to do those I do. What do you think he was talking about. He said I find in my members a law that wars against my mind and even being held captive by it. That my friend is bondage. Bondage comes from sin and he was talking about trying to keep law. When the law came I died. Who will deliver me from this body of bondage? Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ who was died but rose again that I might be saved. We need a redeemer and it is not law but Christ and Him Crucified and faith placed in that work is the only thing that will and by placing our faith in that works allows the Holy Spirit to produce in us good works. It is not by might nor by power but My Spirit saith the Lord.

Thats it in a nutshell

one who truly accepts Messiah is dead to sin, not dead to righteous works or the Law, so let me tell you, I know Romans very well particularly 6,7,&8.

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

The dead womans husband dying means dead to sin not dead to Yahweh's Law, easily misunderstood, but if your really study Romans 6 7 8 in depth you will see the law of sin and death is SIN, Yahweh;s Law is Holy

Romans 8:2, "Because through Yahshua Messiah, the Law of the Spirit has set me free from the law of sin and death."

Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."

Romans 7:14, "For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

 

[Kerry]

Hiz, the question is where is the focus of your faith. Is it in keeping law ( which is works) or is it in the work of the cross? Through out the OT they had to do something that symbolized the cross. We will never be good enough. We must accept and believe or that is to say faith in the work of the cross. By faith Abraham was accounted righteous not by what he did. What did you do to get saved? you had faith in the cross. I know that because it is the only way. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to father accept by law, no by Me. Why was Jesus so adamant against the Pharisee's? why did He call them hypocrites and blind guides and a brood of vipers. Why?

 

[Hizikyah]

Hiz, the question is where is the focus of your faith. Is it in keeping law ( which is works) or is it in the work of the cross? Through out the OT they had to do something that symbolized the cross. We will never be good enough. We must accept and believe or that is to say faith in the work of the cross. By faith Abraham was accounted righteous not by what he did. What did you do to get saved? you had faith in the cross. I know that because it is the only way. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to father accept by law, no by Me. Why was Jesus so adamant against the Pharisee's? why did He call them hypocrites and blind guides and a brood of vipers. Why?

My focus is on Yahweh, I have already accepted the blood of Messiah, been reconciled to Yahweh, His job is done, now it is my job to do what He says.

Messiah was not Sacrificed so I could continue in sin, but that I would turn to righteousness.

We are not to continue in sin, surely we can agree on that, in Scripture no definition is given for sin other than transgression of the Law/Lawlessness.

So Yahshua has reconciled me to Yahweh, placed His Holy Spirit on me, guided me and strengthened me, yet I have free will and the final choice where to go and what to do with my life is mine, I want to be what Yahweh wants me to be, trying to emulate the perfect example, Yahshua the Messiah. Am I perfect? No. Does that mean I enjoy sin and iniquity? Yahweh willing may it never be so!

Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

 

[Kerry]

Of course we are not to continue in sin. But tell me how did Paul an Apostle become bound by sin?

 

[Hizikyah]

I know that because it is the only way. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to father accept by law, no by Me. Why was Jesus so adamant against the Pharisee's? why did He call them hypocrites and blind guides and a brood of vipers. Why?

O bedience is not for the baby, it is for the maturing in Messiah.

And the Pharisees?:

Mark 7:9, "Then He said to them: How well you reject the Law of Yahweh, so that you may keep your own tradition!"

common fable is that the pharisees kept Yahweh's Law but did it without love, to believe this is to call Messiah a liar, because Messiah said they did not keep it but made their own law.

 

[phil112]

SO....?

Yeremyah is not in the original?

Is it Jeremiah?

Because J didnt exist in ancient Hebrew and did not even exist in English until the 16th century.

and are you implying I should follow the law of the Pharisee and replace YHWH with Lord?

no I dont follow tradition, only Yahweh.

So Kepha (Peter) has a vision, and he is uncertain what it means, and later his conclusion is clearly written "but Yahweh has shown me" Shown what? "that I must not call any man common or unclean"

Why don't you post all of it in greek or hebrew if it is that important?
I imply nothing. I am saying: if you want to serve God, why are you acting like changing names and words from the bible is somehow elevating your status? You think God is going to think more of you, or do you think it somehow elevates you in man's eyes?
If you are such a stickler for accuracy why do you use vowels in God's name? Hebrew didn't. Picking and choosing what you want to change not only makes you look silly, I am pretty sure there is a couple of scriptures that address that.Just saying.................
Here is what Kepha said :Τι God hath καθαριστεί, που δεν απαιτούν κοινή πράττε

You know why we call him Peter? Because we don't speak greek. I am pretty sure God knows that and is okay with His word being translated to english. Don't you believe He wanted the whole world to hear about His offer of salvation?

 

[Hizikyah]

Of course we are not to continue in sin. But tell me how did Paul an Apostle become bound by sin?

great point! really.

his flesh got the best of him...at times it gets the best of all of us

Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say, then? Should we go on sinning, so that mercy and pardon may abound? By no means! How can we, who have died to sin, live in it any longer?"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

 

[Hizikyah]

So Kepha (Peter) has a vision, and he is uncertain what it means, and later his conclusion is clearly written "but Yahweh has shown me" Shown what? "that I must not call any man common or unclean"

Why don't you post all of it in greek or hebrew if it is that important?
I imply nothing. I am saying: if you want to serve God, why are you acting like changing names and words from the bible is somehow elevating your status? You think God is going to think more of you, or do you think it somehow elevates you in man's eyes?
If you are such a stickler for accuracy why do you use vowels in God's name? Hebrew didn't. Picking and choosing what you want to change not only makes you look silly, I am pretty sure there is a couple of scriptures that address that.Just saying.................
Here is what Kepha said :Τι God hath καθαριστεί, που δεν απαιτούν κοινή πράττε

You know why we call him Peter? Because we don't speak greek. I am pretty sure God knows that and is okay with His word being translated to english. Don't you believe He wanted the whole world to hear about His offer of salvation?

I never said i was better than anyone, that is your statement, I choose to follow as much truth as possible, I dont want to follow traditions.

How is it that I am targeted for this?

Should we not rather be against those who remove Yahweh's Name?

Is not removing Yahweh's name literally against His Commandment?

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."


evil pharisees admit they removed Yahweh's Name:

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white;

 

[loveme1]

So you can't eat a meal thats been prepared by a woman thats had an abortion. Because abortion is Idol worship. It is the worship of "I". This false God "I" is also worshipped by homosexuals and also by those who don't trust in the word. Man don't eat anything pre made because you don't know who made it and did a buddhist bless my chinese food? That guy cooking my steak at outback might say a prayer over to muhammad. I guess I better grow and eat my own stuff. Wait If ask God to bless it and He is a good father. Hey I( can eat what I want to as long as I give thanks and ask him bless it. That is amazing i'm glad yall got me to think it through. Thank yall so much.

Were you replying to the Messiah's Words?

 

[Kerry]

great point! really.

his flesh got the best of him...at times it gets the best of all of us

Romans 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin.

Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say, then? Should we go on sinning, so that mercy and pardon may abound? By no means! How can we, who have died to sin, live in it any longer?"

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Don't you think for a second that Paul placed his faith in what he was doing (law) and not the work of Christ? I mean thats what we he finished his sentence in. Least any man should boast, I Boast in Christ. Not what I do. Because what I do is nothing therefore I cannot boast in it. I boast in the work of the cross. Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good no not one. That includes you and me, I must put my faith in the redeemer, He is my only hope and not what I do.

 

[chubbena]

So are you claiming once a topic or scripture is discussed, we can't go back to it? Are you claiming this is a rule of some kind?

I didn't claim anything. I just reminded you that the verses you mentioned were addressed previously in THIS VERY THREAD. I don't mind repeating if you would read. In fact, between post #936 and #945, two of the verses you quoted are addressed again.

 

[phil112]

I am saying the bible in english should stay that way. If you are such a purist, learn greek and hebrew and put all your posts in that language. You can borrow my Zondervan Parallel bible to help if you need to. You only cause confusion, not edifying, when you change a word here and there.

Let all things be done unto edifying.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.