Attack of the Judaizers

[Rockbysea]

But tell me how did Paul an Apostle become bound by sin?

Seems you are unable or not willing (I may be placed on your ignore list) to tell me where in the scriptures that prove Abraham cheated on his wife. This is a very serious accusation to make on a public discussion board. So I’ll just assume I’m on your ignore list and state for the record that Abraham did not cheat on his wife. That Sarai said to Abraham, “Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her.” And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai.”

So it was Saria who urged Abraham to go into her maid. You are deliberately twisting the scripture and slandering a friend of God on a public forum to back up your points. Those who do such should be completely ignored because everything they say cannot be trusted. Lies mixed with truth are still lies and this is not of Christ. .

 

[Hizikyah]

I am saying the bible in english should stay that way. If you are such a purist, learn greek and hebrew and put all your posts in that language. You can borrow my Zondervan Parallel bible to help if you need to. You only cause confusion, not edifying, when you change a word here and there.

so sacrifice truth to make the masses happy? stop using the name of Yahweh on your command?

have a nice day sir.

 

[Hizikyah]

Don't you think for a second that Paul placed his faith in what he was doing (law) and not the work of Christ? I mean thats what we he finished his sentence in. Least any man should boast, I Boast in Christ. Not what I do. Because what I do is nothing therefore I cannot boast in it. I boast in the work of the cross. Jesus said why do you call me good for no man is good no not one. That includes you and me, I must put my faith in the redeemer, He is my only hope and not what I do.

So why did he say this?

Romans 7:22, "For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man;"

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

your calling any form of obedience legalism or self justification is a twisting of Scripture.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

 

[Kerry]

Seems you are unable or not willing (I may be placed on your ignore list) to tell me where in the scriptures that prove Abraham cheated on his wife. This is a very serious accusation to make on a public discussion board. So I’ll just assume I’m on your ignore list and state for the record that Abraham did not cheat on his wife. That Sarai said to Abraham, “Please, go in to my maid; perhaps I shall obtain children by her.” And Abram heeded the voice of Sarai.”

So it was Saria who urged Abraham to go into her maid. You are deliberately twisting the scripture and slandering a friend of God on a public forum to back up your points. Those who do such should be completely ignored because everything they say cannot be trusted. Lies mixed with truth are still lies and this is not of Christ. .

If your wife encouraged you to sleep with her friend. would that be adultery or is okay because your wife is okay with it? Furthermore it was because of unbelief and abe fell for it. Look at the trouble it has caused the brothers of Israel are trying there best to destroy them.

 

[chubbena]

You old covenant/contract breakers ignore everything (and I say old contract breakers because this is the contract you have chosen to be under and you are all breaking it). You completely ignore the scripture I posted where God said to Noah “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you.” All you can say to that is “Ya but there were unclean animals in the ark so this implies that Noah was given all the same commandments that were given to the children of Israel.”

Absurd reasoning.... just because God rested on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day at creation and there were unclean animals in the ark this is proof that all the laws given through Moses were given to the men of God prior to the exodus.

And let’s not forget about the decree that went out of Jerusalem that you all keep ignoring. And you keep posting that same out of context scripture to say that the decree was actually siding with those who were troubling the gentiles… that the decree was to actually enforce the teaching to the gentiles the laws of Moses every Sabbath (totally ignoring the fact that the laws of Moses included circumcision). And every time you old covenant breakers get debunked you start a new thread using the same tired old scriptures that didn’t work during the last go around.

What I like about pigs is that they seem to be cheery animals and make friendly pets.... and they taste good too.

You are not the only one quoting "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you" and many have already answered that God told Noah to bring 7 pairs of every clean animal and 1 pair of every unclean animal into the ark - and Noah did exactly what he was told. Absurd reasoning?
No doubt pig is a great pet - you could feed it with anything and it won't get sick. It simply would generate enough fat to bury any poisonous material.

 

[Kerry]

You are not the only one quoting "Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you" and many have already answered that God told Noah to bring 7 pairs of every clean animal and 1 pair of every unclean animal into the ark - and Noah did exactly what he was told. Absurd reasoning?
No doubt pig is a great pet - you could feed it with anything and it won't get sick. It simply would generate enough fat to bury any poisonous material.

Can you please show a biblical quote where man ate meat before the flood of Noah. The 7 clean animals were for sacrafrice can you show any different?

 

[Rockbysea]

If your wife encouraged you to sleep with her friend. would that be adultery or is okay because your wife is okay with it? Furthermore it was because of unbelief and abe fell for it. Look at the trouble it has caused the brothers of Israel are trying there best to destroy them.

I'm not saying what Abraham did was the best decision but he was not "cheating" on his wife. I don't think I need to explain the difference. And if Abraham was here he would be offended by this slander.

 

[RedTent]

Hiz, the question is where is the focus of your faith. Is it in keeping law ( which is works) or is it in the work of the cross? Through out the OT they had to do something that symbolized the cross. We will never be good enough. We must accept and believe or that is to say faith in the work of the cross. By faith Abraham was accounted righteous not by what he did. What did you do to get saved? you had faith in the cross. I know that because it is the only way. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life, no man comes to father accept by law, no by Me. Why was Jesus so adamant against the Pharisee's? why did He call them hypocrites and blind guides and a brood of vipers. Why?

That the 'focus of our faith" needs to be on the cross" is sort of silly. That is our background music. That is what makes us tick. We don't need to focus on it any more than we need to focus on our breathing. It is like saying that don't focus on exercising because your focus has to be on breathing.

And all this bringing up over and over and over that we are not Gods so we can save ourselves is also silly. That is as sure and as much a part of all of us as the fact that the sky is blue. We don't need to be told that any more than we need to be told the sky is blue, that is just so.

But we do need to focus on love, and through love on doing. to not do that would be like performing a marriage ceremony with someone we love, as we do with Christ, then telling them it is the last thing to do for them. The love is done. The marriage is done, it needs no more focus. But following through is something requiring doing every single day. It is the same with our love and uniting with our Lord.

 

[Kerry]

I'm not saying what Abraham did was the best decision but he was not "cheating" on his wife. I don't think I need to explain the difference. And if Abraham was here he would be offended by this slander.

Think what you want, but sleeping with a woman other than your wife is cheating. Even though Sarah approved it, was she happy with the outcome? IT was in direct disobedience of God. It Was man trying to make his own way and not the way of God.

 

[chubbena]

Again you have not stated why God COMMANDED peter to KILL AND EAT unclean foods. How is eating unclean foods related to stop calling gentiles unclean?

May be Peter wouldn't listen to Jesus in Mark 7 that all foods clean so He Himself had to tell him again and again and again but it's no use because he still thought He was referring to gentiles. Good thing many here got the message, right...

 

[Kerry]

That the 'focus of our faith" needs to be on the cross" is sort of silly. That is our background music. That is what makes us tick. We don't need to focus on it any more than we need to focus on our breathing. It is like saying that don't focus on exercising because your focus has to be on breathing.

And all this bringing up over and over and over that we are not Gods so we can save ourselves is also silly. That is as sure and as much a part of all of us as the fact that the sky is blue. We don't need to be told that any more than we need to be told the sky is blue, that is just so.

But we do need to focus on love, and through love on doing. to not do that would be like performing a marriage ceremony with someone we love, as we do with Christ, then telling them it is the last thing to do for them. The love is done. The marriage is done, it needs no more focus. But following through is something requiring doing every single day. It is the same with our love and uniting with our Lord.

Foolishness how can you love without the cross. What do you think is in you that you can love. Foolishness. Look at the world and find love, God has no part with the world and neither should we except that we preach the Gospel.

 

[Rockbysea]

Think what you want, but sleeping with a woman other than your wife is cheating. .

Obviously what Abraham did was not “cheating” because his wife initiated it thus it was consensual. But what you are doing is slandering a friend of God.

 

[loveme1]

Foolishness how can you love without the cross. What do you think is in you that you can love. Foolishness. Look at the world and find love, God has no part with the world and neither should we except that we preach the Gospel.

I Believe RedTent, was sharing that it is the love that we feel through the knowledge of what took place on the "cross" and through the Resurrection of Our Messiah Yahshua. Let it grow in to a loving obedience.

 

[Kerry]

Obviously what Abraham did was not “cheating” because his wife initiated it thus it was consensual. But what you are doing is slandering a friend of God.

What did God tell Abraham, get rid of that child and the bond women. I am not disrespectful to God. God said they must go. It was done in flesh and not faith. Thats why Issac was the child of promise and Ishmael is still a thorn to Israel to this day.

 

[RedTent]

Foolishness how can you love without the cross. What do you think is in you that you can love. Foolishness. Look at the world and find love, God has no part with the world and neither should we except that we preach the Gospel.

Foolishness that the cross is so fundamental that it is part of us, like the air we breath? Foolishness that you are human, and love through the savior? Foolishness that we need to put on Christ and focus on that because we are human. Christ is NOT foolishness, Christ is fundamental.

 

[Kerry]

Foolishness that the cross is so fundamental that it is part of us, like the air we breath? Foolishness that you are human, and love through the savior? Foolishness that we need to put on Christ and focus on that because we are human. Christ is NOT foolishness, Christ is fundamental.

and your point is what?

 

[Rockbysea]

What did God tell Abraham, get rid of that child and the bond women. I am not disrespectful to God. God said they must go. It was done in flesh and not faith. Thats why Issac was the child of promise and Ishmael is still a thorn to Israel to this day.

All you’re doing is maneuvering around the point which is a perfect demonstration of what people do when they keep trying to use scripture to back up something they say that is untrue. Abraham did not cheat on his wife. To say that he did is slander, unscriptural and it doesn’t matter how many unrelated scriptures you pull out of the air there is not one to support your accusation.. .

 

[Kerry]

All you’re doing is maneuvering around the point which is a perfect demonstration of what people do when they keep trying to use scripture to back up something they say that is untrue. Abraham did not cheat on his wife. To say that he did is slander, unscriptural and it doesn’t matter how many unrelated scriptures you pull out of the air there is not one to support your accusation.. .

You go with that. whom did God accept Issac or Ishmael?

 

[RedTent]

and your point is what?

My point is that all you guys putting down God for giving a law to us are distorting God. God gives instructions on living to achieve the most perfect world as God wanted it for us because He loves us. It is a law of love. Paul said that Christ replaced the law of Moses, and people have misread that. Paul took the Nazarene vow when people accused him of even teaching against the rituals meant to express the true law, saying that is not what he meant. Christ taught that it is the spirit of the law that is important, so people say God doesn't want us to have the spirit of the law develop into anything we do. How can we have a spirit and refuse to express it?

As an example take what I do, for instance. I am kosher. Paul says that my being kosher is an example of my not being spiritually grown, and I admit that. Paul didn't need to eat in a certain way to be spiritually kosher, he was so advanced spiritually that he could stay away from what is unclean. I need the discipline of kosher eating that God prescribed to help me enforce my spiritual kosher. Paul would not have denied me this. Paul would have told me to stop kosher eating if I was doing it to please God and not as a sort of crutch for my spiritual being. God suggested it, I know it is not wrong to do it as God meant it to be done.

 

[Rockbysea]

You go with that. whom did God accept Issac or Ishmael?

Totally irrelevant to your slander: Abraham did not cheat on his wife. Again… a perfect demonstration to all on how scripture is used in attempt to support untruths.