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It's this point that we differ on.
Here you describe any Christian who does not obey the law perfectly as they "have not received Christ fully".
But scripture does not speak of Christians being only partly in Christ.
Either we abide in Christ and are saved or we don't abide in him, meaning we have not seen him, neither known him, 1John 3:6.
Perhaps you can explain yourself further by answering this point below.
Consider the definition of sin as given in 1John 3:4.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
We all know that keeping the Sabbath holy is part of the law.
And we all know that most, if not all, Christians are not keeping the Sabbath holy, as described in scripture.
According to Matt Slick's quote, Christians are, allegedly, habitually abiding in sin regarding the Sabbath. They are practicing this sin as a lifestyle. Thus they are of the devil according to 1John 3:8, if we trust Matt Slicks understanding of 1John 3.
But from what describe of the doctrine you follow, Gotime, you go even further than Matt Slick and say that perfect obedience of the law is required, thus showing God working in us.
Here you describe any Christian who does not obey the law perfectly as they "have not received Christ fully".
But scripture does not speak of Christians being only partly in Christ.
Either we abide in Christ and are saved or we don't abide in him, meaning we have not seen him, neither known him, 1John 3:6.
Perhaps you can explain yourself further by answering this point below.
Consider the definition of sin as given in 1John 3:4.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
We all know that keeping the Sabbath holy is part of the law.
And we all know that most, if not all, Christians are not keeping the Sabbath holy, as described in scripture.
According to Matt Slick's quote, Christians are, allegedly, habitually abiding in sin regarding the Sabbath. They are practicing this sin as a lifestyle. Thus they are of the devil according to 1John 3:8, if we trust Matt Slicks understanding of 1John 3.
But from what describe of the doctrine you follow, Gotime, you go even further than Matt Slick and say that perfect obedience of the law is required, thus showing God working in us.
L
Things Hard to be Understood
1 John 3:5-9
“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” – 1 John 3:5-9
In what sense does the believer “sin not”? This cannot mean that the believer is incapable of sinning or that he has sinless perfection. John already refuted that idea. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Sin continues to be present in the believer’s life, and it is dealt with by confession and the advocacy of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:9; 2:1-2). What, then, does 1 John 3:5-9 teach? In this passage, John is refuting the error that claims it does not matter how a Christian lives since he is saved by grace. Paul referred to this same error in Romans 6:1-2. Both Paul and John teach us that true salvation is evidenced by righteous living. Christ is the believer’s life and righteousness (1 John 3:5; compare 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Christ lives in the genuine believer; “his seed remaineth in him”; he is born again by the Spirit of God. If a person claims to be saved but continues to be dominated by sin and does not strive to serve Christ in righteousness and holiness--—“doeth not righteousness” (1 John 3:10)--—that person is deceived. The verbs here are in a continuous sense, referring not merely to acts of sin but to a pattern of life.
1 John 3:5-9
“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” – 1 John 3:5-9
In what sense does the believer “sin not”? This cannot mean that the believer is incapable of sinning or that he has sinless perfection. John already refuted that idea. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Sin continues to be present in the believer’s life, and it is dealt with by confession and the advocacy of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:9; 2:1-2). What, then, does 1 John 3:5-9 teach? In this passage, John is refuting the error that claims it does not matter how a Christian lives since he is saved by grace. Paul referred to this same error in Romans 6:1-2. Both Paul and John teach us that true salvation is evidenced by righteous living. Christ is the believer’s life and righteousness (1 John 3:5; compare 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Christ lives in the genuine believer; “his seed remaineth in him”; he is born again by the Spirit of God. If a person claims to be saved but continues to be dominated by sin and does not strive to serve Christ in righteousness and holiness--—“doeth not righteousness” (1 John 3:10)--—that person is deceived. The verbs here are in a continuous sense, referring not merely to acts of sin but to a pattern of life.
Ok I see the problem I think.
I need to be more clear, I do believe that by faith in Christ a person can come to a place where they stop sinning altogether. This is the goal only achieved by a daily surrender and walk with God in which our faith grows.
I do not believe that we have to be obeying the law perfectly before we can be saved. salvation starts with Faith in what Jesus has done on the cross for our sins. At that point we have the imputed righteousness of Christ. He looks at us as if we were perfectly obedient. but this does not mean I can willfully continue in sin. Through faith in Christs resurrection I may go from faith to faith as Jesus convicts me and empowers me to overcome by his own victorious life in me.
this means that there are sins in my life I no longer do because of the grace of Christ. This power gives us the ability to never commit deliberate willful sin. for example: stealing. I never have to steal once I know that stealing is a sin, I can by faith in Christ death and resurrection never steal again if I keep my eyes on Jesus. but I may be lying at this time but I don't realize that lying is sin. God in his mercy is still imputing his righteousness to me. so the lying is covered by Christ. and once I find out that lying is sin I can by faith turn from it in Jesus name and overcome it also.
There is also the point of learning to overcome weakness. for example I get really tired from something and I tell a lie without really thinking it through. Have I sinned? yes. but was it premeditated deliberate sin? no. so while I must confess that sin I do not lose my salvation for it. unless I decide to go back to willful sin then I am rejecting Gods Grace.
But praise God when we sin we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ. sorry I mean "if" not "when" when implies it will happen no matter what. this is not the case. victory in Christ can be had.
In simple terms as long as I am following or submitting to all Jesus shows me then I am safe in His Grace. it is only when I reject or rebel against what I know Jesus shows me that I reject His Grace. but even then as long as Christ is mediating for me I can come back by His mercy.
I hope that makes sense.
I need to be more clear, I do believe that by faith in Christ a person can come to a place where they stop sinning altogether. This is the goal only achieved by a daily surrender and walk with God in which our faith grows.
I do not believe that we have to be obeying the law perfectly before we can be saved. salvation starts with Faith in what Jesus has done on the cross for our sins. At that point we have the imputed righteousness of Christ. He looks at us as if we were perfectly obedient. but this does not mean I can willfully continue in sin. Through faith in Christs resurrection I may go from faith to faith as Jesus convicts me and empowers me to overcome by his own victorious life in me.
this means that there are sins in my life I no longer do because of the grace of Christ. This power gives us the ability to never commit deliberate willful sin. for example: stealing. I never have to steal once I know that stealing is a sin, I can by faith in Christ death and resurrection never steal again if I keep my eyes on Jesus. but I may be lying at this time but I don't realize that lying is sin. God in his mercy is still imputing his righteousness to me. so the lying is covered by Christ. and once I find out that lying is sin I can by faith turn from it in Jesus name and overcome it also.
There is also the point of learning to overcome weakness. for example I get really tired from something and I tell a lie without really thinking it through. Have I sinned? yes. but was it premeditated deliberate sin? no. so while I must confess that sin I do not lose my salvation for it. unless I decide to go back to willful sin then I am rejecting Gods Grace.
But praise God when we sin we have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ. sorry I mean "if" not "when" when implies it will happen no matter what. this is not the case. victory in Christ can be had.
In simple terms as long as I am following or submitting to all Jesus shows me then I am safe in His Grace. it is only when I reject or rebel against what I know Jesus shows me that I reject His Grace. but even then as long as Christ is mediating for me I can come back by His mercy.
I hope that makes sense.
Now in answer to the Matt Slick's part of your question.
First of all I know Christians who do keep that Sabbath as God says and it is a delight. For me personally it is my favorite part of the week. If you want to know how we keep it simply look at Jesus because He is our example in Sabbath keeping. not what the Jewish works based teaches did or said.
now as to habitually abiding in sin regarding the Sabbath. that is harder to give a simple answer but I will try.
If you know the Sabbath is the Lord's Day and you don't keep it then yes it is habitual sin and a rejection of Gods Grace.
but If you do not know then it is still sin but God winks at our ignorance.
hope that helps.
First of all I know Christians who do keep that Sabbath as God says and it is a delight. For me personally it is my favorite part of the week. If you want to know how we keep it simply look at Jesus because He is our example in Sabbath keeping. not what the Jewish works based teaches did or said.
now as to habitually abiding in sin regarding the Sabbath. that is harder to give a simple answer but I will try.
If you know the Sabbath is the Lord's Day and you don't keep it then yes it is habitual sin and a rejection of Gods Grace.
but If you do not know then it is still sin but God winks at our ignorance.
hope that helps.
H
All here would agree that grace is not a licence to live selfishly.
And most here would know that we do not get away with doing wrong. King David with his adultery and murder is a good example of how we do not get away with doing wrong.
No doubt we both agree here.
But where we differ goes beyond behavior/lifestyle.
We differ in how we view what is "doing righteousness".
Here you are claiming that you believe that Christians can come to a place in this current physical life where they obey the law perfectly.
Where we see problems with this is that you define this as doing righteousness, implying that anything less than perfect obedience to the law is not doing righteousness (as righteousness is perfect obedience to the law).
Hence you claim that Christians must obey the law perfectly to actually be doing righteousness.
You add that if one does wrong out of ignorance then God winks at it until such time as they realize it's "sin". Here you claim that until such time as a Christian does obey the law perfectly then they are still seen as righteous in spite of their failure to demonstrate perfect obedience to the law ( but only if out of ignorance that they are not doing wrong).
One problem I see here is that most, if not all, Christians do not keep the Sabbath holy in spite of the many repeated claims by Sabbitarians that we must obey this commandment under the law. As these warnings are common on forums then you seem to be saying that any Christian on forums who do not heed the warnings posted here almost daily, that we should keep the Sabbath holy, then such Christians are really of the devil.
Another problem is the differing views as to how should the Sabbath be kept holy. You have excused your lessor Sabbath observance by saying that the OT rules about Sabbath do not apply to you under the NT. Yet you argue for the rest of the 10 commandments which also come from the same OT as the Sabbath rules.
So we see that you consider any Christians who neglect the Sabbath (for example), in spite of the obvious fact that most Christians are fully aware of the Sabbath commandment from the law, to be unrighteous. I get the impression that you consider most here on CC to be unrighteous because of this alleged willful disobedience. I can understand you will certainly avoid stating such on this forum, but this conclusion is obvious.
Note your quote below.
Now sin is transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.
To be charged with sin one must be under the law as whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3;19.
And the law requires perfect obedience, without which one is guilty of all the law, James 2:10
Are Christians under the law?
Answer: No. Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24,25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Can Christians be charged with sin/transgression of the law?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
In other words, Christians have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1), "cannot sin" (1John 3:9).
How is this possible?
Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness.
And remember the above is confirmed by Rom 10:4.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Our righteousness is not determined or demonstrated or proven by whether we obey the law of righteousness perfectly or not.
Instead, it's our faith (believing on Jesus) that is counted for righteousness
How does one sin willfully, thus rejecting God's grace?
Note Heb 10:26-29
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
How do we sin willfully?
How does one make themselves a sinner?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor.Sinner.
In other words, if one brings themselves under the law again, then whatever the law says it says those under it, Rom 3:19. Such persons can be charged with "sin" as they are under the law and thus can be charged with sin.
Such persons are sinning willfully after having the knowledge of the truth of the gospel of Christ.
Such persons who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (Heb 6:4-6), but then reject this all and turn to the law instead as a measure of righteousness through works, such are sinning willfully as they will be found guilty of all the law (and whatever the law says it says to those under it )as they will fail to keep it perfectly.
Such persons are rejecting the grace of God. They have fallen from grace.
Heb 12:15,16
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright
How does one fall from grace?
Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace
This is the willful sin that is rejecting God's grace. It's unbelief in Jesus, which is the sin the world is convicted of John 16:9.
And most here would know that we do not get away with doing wrong. King David with his adultery and murder is a good example of how we do not get away with doing wrong.
No doubt we both agree here.
But where we differ goes beyond behavior/lifestyle.
We differ in how we view what is "doing righteousness".
Here you are claiming that you believe that Christians can come to a place in this current physical life where they obey the law perfectly.
Where we see problems with this is that you define this as doing righteousness, implying that anything less than perfect obedience to the law is not doing righteousness (as righteousness is perfect obedience to the law).
Hence you claim that Christians must obey the law perfectly to actually be doing righteousness.
You add that if one does wrong out of ignorance then God winks at it until such time as they realize it's "sin". Here you claim that until such time as a Christian does obey the law perfectly then they are still seen as righteous in spite of their failure to demonstrate perfect obedience to the law ( but only if out of ignorance that they are not doing wrong).
One problem I see here is that most, if not all, Christians do not keep the Sabbath holy in spite of the many repeated claims by Sabbitarians that we must obey this commandment under the law. As these warnings are common on forums then you seem to be saying that any Christian on forums who do not heed the warnings posted here almost daily, that we should keep the Sabbath holy, then such Christians are really of the devil.
Another problem is the differing views as to how should the Sabbath be kept holy. You have excused your lessor Sabbath observance by saying that the OT rules about Sabbath do not apply to you under the NT. Yet you argue for the rest of the 10 commandments which also come from the same OT as the Sabbath rules.
So we see that you consider any Christians who neglect the Sabbath (for example), in spite of the obvious fact that most Christians are fully aware of the Sabbath commandment from the law, to be unrighteous. I get the impression that you consider most here on CC to be unrighteous because of this alleged willful disobedience. I can understand you will certainly avoid stating such on this forum, but this conclusion is obvious.
Note your quote below.
Now sin is transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.
To be charged with sin one must be under the law as whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3;19.
And the law requires perfect obedience, without which one is guilty of all the law, James 2:10
Are Christians under the law?
Answer: No. Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24,25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.
Can Christians be charged with sin/transgression of the law?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
In other words, Christians have "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1), "cannot sin" (1John 3:9).
How is this possible?
Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness.
And remember the above is confirmed by Rom 10:4.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Our righteousness is not determined or demonstrated or proven by whether we obey the law of righteousness perfectly or not.
Instead, it's our faith (believing on Jesus) that is counted for righteousness
How does one sin willfully, thus rejecting God's grace?
Note Heb 10:26-29
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
How do we sin willfully?
How does one make themselves a sinner?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor.Sinner.
In other words, if one brings themselves under the law again, then whatever the law says it says those under it, Rom 3:19. Such persons can be charged with "sin" as they are under the law and thus can be charged with sin.
Such persons are sinning willfully after having the knowledge of the truth of the gospel of Christ.
Such persons who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (Heb 6:4-6), but then reject this all and turn to the law instead as a measure of righteousness through works, such are sinning willfully as they will be found guilty of all the law (and whatever the law says it says to those under it )as they will fail to keep it perfectly.
Such persons are rejecting the grace of God. They have fallen from grace.
Heb 12:15,16
looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright
How does one fall from grace?
Gal 5:4
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace
This is the willful sin that is rejecting God's grace. It's unbelief in Jesus, which is the sin the world is convicted of John 16:9.
I think its simple, If anyone does not obey God in anything they know he has told them, then they are out of Grace until they repent.
Jesus death only helps those who do "everything" He commands them to do.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath over and over again in the Gospels. He also taught to keep the commandments.
I follow Jesus. His Grace is sufficient for me. anything that is not of faith is sin.
Jesus death only helps those who do "everything" He commands them to do.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Jesus taught how to keep the Sabbath over and over again in the Gospels. He also taught to keep the commandments.
I follow Jesus. His Grace is sufficient for me. anything that is not of faith is sin.
nice one, but context again matters or else I could just post this:
Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So clearly that will go nowhere. besides Paul is talking about Justification:
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Everyone knows we are justified by Faith. but only the doers of the law will remain justified.
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So why does Paul seem to contradict himself here?
The problem is in our understanding. If I try to be saved by works of the law then I am rejecting the fact that Jesus is the only one who can save me.
but on the other hand If I am saved by faith in Jesus then the power of the Spirit brings forth fruit of obedience.
Thus Paul can speak in one place about not being saved by the law and yet in another place he says only those who keep the law are justified. It's a matter of perspective and context.
let me try and illustrate my point for clarity.
I was born into sin and have sinned all my life. Gods law shows me sin by showing me what is right and good. when I look at it, it becomes clear that I am not good. I can try to be good but it wont work properly because there is no good in me.
So Jesus dies and takes the punishment for my sin and by faith in Him I am forgiven and set free. Then Jesus gives me the greatest gift of all. Himself in me through the Holy Spirit. And he lives through me for I am dead to sin and alive unto Christ.
Jesus does good in me. remember the law is good so if Jesus does good in me then naturally the law is now kept by Christ in you the hope of Glory.
we are not saved by keeping the law.
keeping the law is evidence that we are saved.
which means even If I had never seen or heard the law. If Christ lived in me I would keep it because its his life in me that does the works. That is why the Gentiles attained but the Jews did not.
One tried to do it themselves and failed
the other trusted Jesus to work in them and attained.
Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
So clearly that will go nowhere. besides Paul is talking about Justification:
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Everyone knows we are justified by Faith. but only the doers of the law will remain justified.
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
So why does Paul seem to contradict himself here?
The problem is in our understanding. If I try to be saved by works of the law then I am rejecting the fact that Jesus is the only one who can save me.
but on the other hand If I am saved by faith in Jesus then the power of the Spirit brings forth fruit of obedience.
Thus Paul can speak in one place about not being saved by the law and yet in another place he says only those who keep the law are justified. It's a matter of perspective and context.
let me try and illustrate my point for clarity.
I was born into sin and have sinned all my life. Gods law shows me sin by showing me what is right and good. when I look at it, it becomes clear that I am not good. I can try to be good but it wont work properly because there is no good in me.
So Jesus dies and takes the punishment for my sin and by faith in Him I am forgiven and set free. Then Jesus gives me the greatest gift of all. Himself in me through the Holy Spirit. And he lives through me for I am dead to sin and alive unto Christ.
Jesus does good in me. remember the law is good so if Jesus does good in me then naturally the law is now kept by Christ in you the hope of Glory.
we are not saved by keeping the law.
keeping the law is evidence that we are saved.
which means even If I had never seen or heard the law. If Christ lived in me I would keep it because its his life in me that does the works. That is why the Gentiles attained but the Jews did not.
One tried to do it themselves and failed
the other trusted Jesus to work in them and attained.
Its real simple if you sin you are a slave to sin thus you are not free in Christ.
If Jesus makes you free then you are no longer a slave to sin and no longer have to obey it.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
notice even Paul teaches that obedience leads to righteousness.
If Jesus makes you free then you are no longer a slave to sin and no longer have to obey it.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
notice even Paul teaches that obedience leads to righteousness.
HAHAHAHA I have to laugh at this efford to make sence of the ones in iniquity and the ones God fills with Himself...
Dan this is really a foolish thing to try to sell. First how will we EVER agree if we agree not with the WHOLE of scripture.
And now 1 John 1. For the fimnal time I am going to attempt with the KJV to show you that in 1 John 1 there is a process.
This time pray this with me and forget that you as a sinner can please God or make sence of a HOLY WORD of God. So here goes.
Lord Jesus you are light. Lord you are perfect. Lord you cannot sin and in you IS NO SIN, not even the accidental sin, or sinful life or habitual or unhabitual sin... Lord in you is NO SIN OF ANY KIND... In your light there is NO DARKNESS. Lord please let us see that your holiness is indeed HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY.... Lord OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND PLEASE! Amen!
1 John 1
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
(I believe the closest to two languages of this WORD (Jesus) for me is the Old King James and the Afrikaans Old translation as the Word of God) This is the Scripture I will exclusively qoute and use as my reference.
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
This life is the Word of God made flesh (Jesus and the life he lived... (perfect and sinless and everlasting)
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
(Fellowship with the light, with the Holy Father and the perfect son)
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
(My joy will only be full if God is FULL in me, NEVER BEFORE THAT)
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
(Look if there is still darkness in me I am not FULL OF LIGHT)
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
(How can I that still have darkness in me say I walk with God? I am lier then... but I am not lier I say there is darkness in me. I SIN that is why there is not light in me but DARKNESS! I do NOT walk like Jesus in the light with the light in me.... I have darkness in me, may God save me from the dark...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
(Ah but if I walk in the light as JESUS is in the light, then we have fellowship with him... How can I walk in the light and in the DARK at the same time? I LIE then. If I WALK in the light the blood cleanse me. Not if I walk in the DARK..... I have to STOP sinning before the sin is washed OFF.... I cannot walk in sin and Jesus cleanse me, I have to WALK IN THE LIGHT and in the light is NO SIN.....
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
I NEVER said I have no sin. But I have way less that I had before I started walking OUT OF DARKNESS and into the light. I am not fully in the light yet, but I believe the two verses following as they fit perfectly into 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 and the rest of the Bible.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I confess my sin as the Holy Spirit lies it on my heart and as God ENABLES me I nail it to the cross. And that is how the OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED with Christ. Remember if I walk in the light he CLEANSE me... Every sin I lay down, I put LIGHT in its place, and that is how the SIN IS NAILED to NEVER return and that is How it is WASHED and CLEANSED FOREVER....If Jesus forgive a sin in my life HE REMOVES IT FROM THE LIFE IN THE LIGHT...
The moment the last sin is removed this happens...... SIN IS IN THE PAST.... GONE FOREVER FOR THE MAN OF GOD....
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If we say we have not SINNED... PAST TENSE.... People please get this... ALL saved people are saved by God to be EXACTLY like His Son on earth. NOt 99%, 100% like Jesus. God says to HIS (Jesus) measure, stature and fulness.
How can God make a man 100% to the measure of Jesus, 100% to the stature of Jesus, and 100% to the fulness of Jesus, and the man still sin? How can God mess that up? HE CANNOT!
Every person that is BORN OF GOD is exactly to the measure, stature and fulness of Chrsit Jesus... PERFECT MAN...
Eph 4:13.... Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I believe God and His Word.... GOd makes a man perfect when He joins the man to the Body of Christ. May the Lord join me to that Body as well. And you Dan. I Love you man.
The more love in me the less sin... WOW! Mayhbe god's love is growing in this Cobus that God RECREATE to a NEW CREATURE where all the old is GONE.. WOWOOWOWOWO!
Dan this is really a foolish thing to try to sell. First how will we EVER agree if we agree not with the WHOLE of scripture.
And now 1 John 1. For the fimnal time I am going to attempt with the KJV to show you that in 1 John 1 there is a process.
This time pray this with me and forget that you as a sinner can please God or make sence of a HOLY WORD of God. So here goes.
Lord Jesus you are light. Lord you are perfect. Lord you cannot sin and in you IS NO SIN, not even the accidental sin, or sinful life or habitual or unhabitual sin... Lord in you is NO SIN OF ANY KIND... In your light there is NO DARKNESS. Lord please let us see that your holiness is indeed HOLY AS GOD IS HOLY.... Lord OPEN THE EYES OF THE BLIND PLEASE! Amen!
1 John 1
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
(I believe the closest to two languages of this WORD (Jesus) for me is the Old King James and the Afrikaans Old translation as the Word of God) This is the Scripture I will exclusively qoute and use as my reference.
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
This life is the Word of God made flesh (Jesus and the life he lived... (perfect and sinless and everlasting)
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
(Fellowship with the light, with the Holy Father and the perfect son)
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
(My joy will only be full if God is FULL in me, NEVER BEFORE THAT)
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
(Look if there is still darkness in me I am not FULL OF LIGHT)
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
(How can I that still have darkness in me say I walk with God? I am lier then... but I am not lier I say there is darkness in me. I SIN that is why there is not light in me but DARKNESS! I do NOT walk like Jesus in the light with the light in me.... I have darkness in me, may God save me from the dark...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
(Ah but if I walk in the light as JESUS is in the light, then we have fellowship with him... How can I walk in the light and in the DARK at the same time? I LIE then. If I WALK in the light the blood cleanse me. Not if I walk in the DARK..... I have to STOP sinning before the sin is washed OFF.... I cannot walk in sin and Jesus cleanse me, I have to WALK IN THE LIGHT and in the light is NO SIN.....
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
I NEVER said I have no sin. But I have way less that I had before I started walking OUT OF DARKNESS and into the light. I am not fully in the light yet, but I believe the two verses following as they fit perfectly into 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 and the rest of the Bible.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I confess my sin as the Holy Spirit lies it on my heart and as God ENABLES me I nail it to the cross. And that is how the OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED with Christ. Remember if I walk in the light he CLEANSE me... Every sin I lay down, I put LIGHT in its place, and that is how the SIN IS NAILED to NEVER return and that is How it is WASHED and CLEANSED FOREVER....If Jesus forgive a sin in my life HE REMOVES IT FROM THE LIFE IN THE LIGHT...
The moment the last sin is removed this happens...... SIN IS IN THE PAST.... GONE FOREVER FOR THE MAN OF GOD....
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
If we say we have not SINNED... PAST TENSE.... People please get this... ALL saved people are saved by God to be EXACTLY like His Son on earth. NOt 99%, 100% like Jesus. God says to HIS (Jesus) measure, stature and fulness.
How can God make a man 100% to the measure of Jesus, 100% to the stature of Jesus, and 100% to the fulness of Jesus, and the man still sin? How can God mess that up? HE CANNOT!
Every person that is BORN OF GOD is exactly to the measure, stature and fulness of Chrsit Jesus... PERFECT MAN...
Eph 4:13.... Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
I believe God and His Word.... GOd makes a man perfect when He joins the man to the Body of Christ. May the Lord join me to that Body as well. And you Dan. I Love you man.
The more love in me the less sin... WOW! Mayhbe god's love is growing in this Cobus that God RECREATE to a NEW CREATURE where all the old is GONE.. WOWOOWOWOWO!