Should we pray to Mary as the Mother of God?

[Simona25]

God dosent need are help, or our works, Mary has no part in the salvation of Man. He said I do not share my Glory with another. Go back to History why did Rome embrace that, why so larte in history?

Sin entered in world through a woman. But salvation (Jesus Christ) also came to the world through a woman.

 

[StoneThrower]

Dogmas and doctrines are proclaimed on what was always believed. What is made a doctrine at a particular date had been believed since the times of the apostles.

Not sure what this even means? Do you mean infallibility? No



The Council of Trent reaffirmed what was already being taught. Keep in mind that for Catholics "Tradition" is the name for what the apostles taught, which was later written down in scripture.

No proof of that. a lot of this wonkyness didn't start till the third century. In fact the infallibility of the pope was rejected by former popes that said one man should not be elevated to that level.

Then there is the unending succession of the pope which did have gaps when there was no pope or at other times when three men declared them self pope.

That doesn't make sense to me. Confession existed from the early Church. Private confession, as opposed to public confession became more common in the 8th Century. Transubstantiation is a metaphysical description for what occurs.

Not to a man in a box but to God alone. A man in a box puts him in a position of mediation.
Transubstantiation, we wont discuss the rescarificing in Christ over and over. I know the part line, but I also know what your Catechism says.

The belief in indulgences long precedes that. The coin in the coffers was created by Tetzel around 1500 and was outside of Catholic teaching.
Tetzel started indulgences to build Saint Peters Cathedral, If they existed before, than than Luther was ignorant to the practice.


Celibacy is not a doctrine or a dogma. Celibacy is a practice that is the norm in the western Catholic Church. Eastern Catholics have married priests. Catholics do not believe that celibacy is necessary for priesthood, however, it remains the norm in the west.

Put a priest in the west can not be married unless he is a protestant that has converted. It was good to hear the pope say they need to rethink that recently. Although they have much bigger issues to work out like Soteriology.


That's a rather odd year to pick and I wonder in what way this was proclaimed? Failure to go to Mass was considered a violation of the commandments.

Where and when is this?

If your really interested this site was started by a former priest.

www.pro-gospel.org

[video]http://www.youtube.com/v/GGC_q5ZrVgo?fs=1&hl=en_US[/video]

 

[Last]

That's nice. If you'd like to address the content of my post, I'd appreciate that.

 

[Last]

God dosent need are help, or our works,

The fact that God is not in 'need' has nothing to do with the fact that God has us participate in His plan of salvation. We do help and aid God in His plans.

Mary has no part in the salvation of Man.

Mary gave birth to and raised the savior. The apostles brought the Gospel into the world. People today continue to spread the Gospel. We are all helpers of God in His plan.

He said I do not share my Glory with another. Go back to History why did Rome embrace that, why so larte in history?

What?

 

[newbirth]

If you had know the words that were said , Its says to pray for us sinners in our hour of need. So basically it is saying to pray for us since she's acceptable to God. But the feminist spirit is not separated from God, but it is actually the soft spot of God. Catholic assumed it is Mary since she had carried this Spirit in her that had given her these good qualities, and which one of these qualities is by staying with Jesus to the end and which that is a feminist spirit that is call Devotional.

what bible? what verse? what chapter?
1 Timothy 2:5
King James Version
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[newbirth]

Sin entered in world through a woman. But salvation (Jesus Christ) also came to the world through a woman.

That being said ...he made Made Mary before she made him.
[h=3]John 1:9-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.


[h=3]John 1:2-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

 

[notuptome]

There is one mediator for our salvation: Jesus Christ.
The intercessions of Theotokos means something else, but I already told you this.

Through Christ our Savior we have direct access into the presence of God. The curtain is torn and we enter directly into the holy of holies. We not longer stand out side while another goes in but enter ourselves clothed in the very righteousness of Christ. Our Father bids us come and come boldly.

While we live in this body of flesh we share one another's burdens and pray for one another but saints in heaven do not have an intercessory role. Saints in heaven are busy rejoicing and worshipping the Lord God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Brother_Don]

No praying to mary in my mind is the same as idol worship! Jesus taught us how to pray, and He taught us to pray to the Father, and ask in Jesus name. When they said to Jesus that His mother was looking for Him, Jesus replied who is my mother? and then answered His own question with, ( those that do the will of the Father).

 

[notuptome]

Where does the bible say that those who are with Christ in Heaven are unaware of what happens on Earth and do not pray? Because the bible I read says otherwise.

Again read out of the bible not into the bible. Witnesses do just witness. Witnesses are not acting in an intercessory role.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[newbirth]

There is one mediator for our salvation: Jesus Christ.
The intercessions of Theotokos means something else, but I already told you this.

Mary is not the mother of God ....God is smarter than you people that is why Jesus was born as a MAN... some of us have no understanding of any piece of scripture by the spirit of God...we hold fast to doctrine of men totally opposed to the word of God. Spending countless hours not in prayer waiting to hear from God but twisting God's word to suit the doctrine we believe in . If its not Mary its trinity or OSAS or ES or four gospels, no one wants the pure truth anymore.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God has no mother. He has always been, before the foundation of the world.

"the mother of God" is a pagan term. Only pagan Gods have mothers..

 

[Simona25]

God has no mother. He has always been, before the foundation of the world.

"the mother of God" is a pagan term. Only pagan Gods have mothers..

Who did Mary gave birth to?

 

[Simona25]

Mary is not the mother of God ....God is smarter than you people that is why Jesus was born as a MAN... some of us have no understanding of any piece of scripture by the spirit of God...we hold fast to doctrine of men totally opposed to the word of God. Spending countless hours not in prayer waiting to hear from God but twisting God's word to suit the doctrine we believe in . If its not Mary its trinity or OSAS or ES or four gospels, no one wants the pure truth anymore.

You don't believe that Christ is fully man and fully God.
You're not a christian.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who did Mary gave birth to?

The "FLESH" of Jesus.

God was alive before mary was born
He was alive the moment mary concieved
He was alive the moment before she gave birth to his flesh
He set aside his diety and became man the moment of birth.

God was not born, he always was. Why can;t you see this? Why do you want to paganize the living God and make him a Man God born of a woman, and call that woman the mother of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You don't believe that Christ is fully man and fully God.
You're not a christian.

Here is the difference.

God did not become man until the flesh was born. which could house his spirit.

But he was God from before th e begining of time. And was never born.

 

[Simona25]

The "FLESH" of Jesus.

St. Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, the only-begotten son of God. She gave birth (she brought to our world) the one that has no beginning. She gave birth to a person that has from pre-eternity a divine nature. This divine person took from Mary His human nature. Jesus Christ is one person with two natures.

P.S.: She gave birth to a person, not to a nature!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

St. Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, the only-begotten son of God. She gave birth (she brought to our world) the one that has no beginning. She gave birth to a person that has from pre-eternity a divine nature. This divine person took from Mary His human nature. Jesus Christ is one person with two natures.

P.S.: She gave birth to a person, not to a nature!

so the second person of the Godhead did not exist until he was born of mary? is that what you are saying?

you can not have it both ways, either he existed before mary, and she did not create him, but she bore his flesh

or he was created in her, and become from her (was born of her)

pss,, that person you claim she gave birth to. created mary herself. how can the creator be bore by the created?

 

[Osiyo]

Stupid question!

 

[newbirth]

You don't believe that Christ is fully man and fully God.
You're not a christian.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; He was born a man so that you would not make Mary to be the mother of God but you still form your own doctrine to conclude that.
[h=3]John 1:2-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


He also made Mary....go figure

 

[newbirth]

Who did Mary gave birth to?

certainly not God...Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: