Sunday as the Lord's day...

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gotime

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just to specifically show that your verses -don't- establish that the sabbath is 'the lord's day'...

regarding mark 2:28...jesus is lord of the sabbath...however that does not mean this is the only day he is lord of...or that it is the only day that is his...and it does not prove that the sabbath is the only day that could possibly be called 'the lord's day'

to use a real world example of what you are claiming and why your claim is illogical... queen elizabeth is officially the monarch of australia...but that does not mean she is monarch -only- of australia...and nobody would insist that saying 'queen elizabeth's country' -must- refer only to australia...

instead you would have to recognize what conventionally would be meant by the phrase 'queen elizabeth's country'...obviously england... likewise you need to determine what the early christians would have understood to be meant by the phrase 'the lord's day'...and this is documented in early christian writings as being sunday...

now regarding exodus 20:10...the seventh day is the lord's sabbath...however this doesn't establish that 'the lord's sabbath' and 'the lord's day' are the same thing...since 'sabbath' is obviously a more specific term than 'day'

to use another queen elizabeth example...suppose we know that 'the queen's favorite ice cream' is vanilla...based on this fact alone you couldn't just assume that the phrase 'the queen's favorite dessert' must also refer to vanilla...obviously her favorite dessert might not even be an ice cream...

so in fact neither of the two verses you posted actually establish that 'the lord's day' must be the sabbath...
So you have no scripture to support your theory still. o.k. thanks that was my point.

by the way I never said Jesus is only Lord of the Sabbath day. but I did show from the bible that he is Lord of the Sabbath day by His own claim. being that the bible interpret's itself It makes sense to find what day the Lord's day is from the bible don't you think?

I am sure Jesus is Lord of every day and everything, however Johns use of the Lords day designates a specific day not a possible one of seven. And Jesus said he was Lord of a specific day namely the Sabbath. I have not seen anywhere that connects The Lords day with Sunday or even the resurrection.

SO it seems I have a lot more going for my view than you do yours. I also find it funny that you argue that every day is the Lord's yet you yourself attach the Lord's day to Sunday a specific Day.

The main difference being that you ask men to tell you which day the Lord's day is and I ask God in His word.

who do you think is on safer ground?
 

gotime

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moreover If you could show from Gods word that there are other specific Days spoken of as the Lords day then you might have a point. however I have found that it refers to the 7th day Sabbath and judgment/wrath for the most part.

So biblically your point only holds if the bible mentioned multiple days of the week as the Lords day which it does not as I am aware of.
 

JaumeJ

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Exo 20:10
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


Exo 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God blessed the Seventh Day. It is the herald of the days to come when the lion shall lie down with the lamb. There is nothing burdensome in this commandment, unless one wishes it to be a burden. It would be a burden to any who do not wish to set that day aside to be with our Father, when possible.

Notice the seventh day is called the Sabbath of the Lord, and this is as to differentiate it from other Sabbaths called for for various feasts, also of the lord.

The Seventh Day is the Day of the Lord, for it is the Sabbath of the Lord.
 

john832

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Care to comment on Acts 20:7??

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Here we go again…

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First of all, what is ‘breaking bread’? Is this the Eucahrist? Barclay’s has this…

A YOUNG MAN FALLS ASLEEP (Ac 20:7-12)
20:7-12 On the first day of the week, when we had gathered together to break bread, Paul, who was about to leave on the next day, spoke to them, and he prolonged his talk until midnight. There were many lamps in the upper room where we were assembled. A young man called Eutychus was sitting by the window. He began to be overcome by a deep sleep. While Paul was talking he was still more overcome by sleep and he fell right down from the third floor and was taken up dead. Paul went down and threw himself on him. He put his arms round him and said, "Stop making a fuss, for his life is still in him." So he went back upstairs and broke bread and ate; and he talked with them a long time until dawn came and so he departed. And they brought in the boy alive and were greatly comforted.


This vivid story is clearly an eye-witness account; and it is one of the first accounts we have of what a Christian service was like.

It talks twice about breaking of bread. In the early Church there were two closely related things. One was what was called the Love Feast. To it all contributed and it was a real meal, often the only proper meal that poor slaves got all week. Here Christians ate in loving fellowship with each other. The other was the Lord's Supper which was observed during or immediately after the Love Feast. It may well be that we have lost something of great value in the happy togetherness of the common meal. It marked as nothing else could the family spirit of the Church.
It was a meal. We call them potlucks today.

From Bullinger’s …

break bread. See note on Act_2:42.

So, from the notes on Acts 2:42…

breaking of bread. This was the common meal.

Secondly, what day was this…

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The word first here is…

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

And it means first. Now for day, hmmm, day is in italics, that means it was not in the original but was added so there is no Greek for day. So the next words are…

‘of the’ and the translators got those from the Greek…

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

So, ‘of the’ is the definite article. The next word is ‘week’ and it comes from…

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Sabbaton, the Sabbath. So how are we to understand this? Let’s look at the Diaglott…

Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.

The first of the Sabbaths? What does that mean?

Dr. Bullinger tells us this…

Acts 20:7

first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.

This was actually on the Sabbath and continued into late Saturday night. Now the interesting thing about this is that on the next day, Sunday, Paul walked 19 miles across the peninsula to Assos to meet the others…

Act 20:13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.
Act 20:14 And when he met with us at Assos, we took him in, and came to Mitylene.

From Troas to Assos was approximately 19 miles. When I was in the Boy Scouts many years ago, we went on a few 20 mile hikes and that is a long walk in one day. It took several hours to walk 20 miles and required a great deal of effort. What a strange way to keep the “Lord’s Day”.

In reality, Paul preached to them on the Sabbath and continued on into the night. He was long winded and reminds me of Gerald Waterhouse. His typical sermon was about 3 to 4 hours.
 

john832

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Anyone care to list ALL THE SABATHS from the Old Testament?
Here you go...

Weekly Sabbath

Annual Sabbaths:
First Day of Unleavened Bread
Last Day of Unleavened Bread
Pentecost
Trumpets
Atonement
First Day of the Feast of Tabernacles
The Last Great Day
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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So you have no scripture to support your theory still. o.k. thanks that was my point.

by the way I never said Jesus is only Lord of the Sabbath day. but I did show from the bible that he is Lord of the Sabbath day by His own claim. being that the bible interpret's itself It makes sense to find what day the Lord's day is from the bible don't you think?

I am sure Jesus is Lord of every day and everything, however Johns use of the Lords day designates a specific day not a possible one of seven. And Jesus said he was Lord of a specific day namely the Sabbath. I have not seen anywhere that connects The Lords day with Sunday or even the resurrection.

SO it seems I have a lot more going for my view than you do yours. I also find it funny that you argue that every day is the Lord's yet you yourself attach the Lord's day to Sunday a specific Day.

The main difference being that you ask men to tell you which day the Lord's day is and I ask God in His word.

who do you think is on safer ground?
the problem is that you -haven't- gone to God and his word to find out what day 'the lord's day' was...you just wanted it to be the sabbath and then made some hand waving arguments involving scriptures that don't even prove your point...

every day belongs to the lord...but the term 'the lord's day' must have had a specific meaning to the early church in order for john to have used it without further explanation...and it is simply a historical fact established from early christian writings that the early church used the term 'the lord's day' to refer to sunday...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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moreover If you could show from Gods word that there are other specific Days spoken of as the Lords day then you might have a point. however I have found that it refers to the 7th day Sabbath and judgment/wrath for the most part.

So biblically your point only holds if the bible mentioned multiple days of the week as the Lords day which it does not as I am aware of.
leviticus 23:5..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD's Passover."

numbers 28:16..."Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD's Passover."

passover was a day and here it is said to be the lord's...by the same logic you are using to claim that 'the lord's sabbath' means the sabbath must be 'the lord's day'...it could just as easily be claimed that 'the lord's passover' proves that passover must be 'the lord's day'

nehemiah 8:9-10..."Then Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest and scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, 'This day is holy to the LORD your God; do not mourn or weep.' For all the people were weeping when they heard the words of the law. Then he said to them, 'Go, eat of the fat, drink of the sweet, and send portions to him who has nothing prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength."

it could likewise be argued based on this verse that the feast of trumpets has equal claim to being 'the lord's day'...

passover and the feast of trumpets of course can be on any day of the week whatsoever in any given year...

finally there is this verse...

isaiah 49:8..."Thus says the LORD, 'In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped You; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;"

this significant day when God 'helped' the messiah would be the day of christ's resurrection...when God raised jesus from the dead...which was a sunday...

so based on this verse sunday also could have a specific claim to being the day referred to as 'the lord's day'...resurrection sunday was a day favorable to the messiah and therefore it could be considered his special day...

this is a stretch of course...but no more of a stretch than all of the hand waving arguments you have been using to claim that the sabbath must be the lord's day...

what is -really- a stretch though...is the way you are implying that every early christian writer must have misunderstood john's use of the term 'the lord's day'...including ignatius of antioch who was actually -taught by john himself- and even wrote the letter in which he referred to sunday as 'the lord's day' -while john was still alive- and could have corrected ignatius if he had been in error...
 
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Here we go again…

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First of all, what is ‘breaking bread’? Is this the Eucahrist? Barclay’s has this…



It was a meal. We call them potlucks today.

From Bullinger’s …

break bread. See note on Act_2:42.

So, from the notes on Acts 2:42…

breaking of bread. This was the common meal.

Secondly, what day was this…

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The word first here is…

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

And it means first. Now for day, hmmm, day is in italics, that means it was not in the original but was added so there is no Greek for day. So the next words are…

‘of the’ and the translators got those from the Greek…

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

So, ‘of the’ is the definite article. The next word is ‘week’ and it comes from…

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Sabbaton, the Sabbath. So how are we to understand this? Let’s look at the Diaglott…

Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.

The first of the Sabbaths? What does that mean?

Dr. Bullinger tells us this…

Acts 20:7

first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.

This was actually on the Sabbath and continued into late Saturday night. Now the interesting thing about this is that on the next day, Sunday, Paul walked 19 miles across the peninsula to Assos to meet the others…

Act 20:13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.
Act 20:14 And when he met with us at Assos, we took him in, and came to Mitylene.

From Troas to Assos was approximately 19 miles. When I was in the Boy Scouts many years ago, we went on a few 20 mile hikes and that is a long walk in one day. It took several hours to walk 20 miles and required a great deal of effort. What a strange way to keep the “Lord’s Day”.

In reality, Paul preached to them on the Sabbath and continued on into the night. He was long winded and reminds me of Gerald Waterhouse. His typical sermon was about 3 to 4 hours.
there seems to be an epidemic of blatant scripture rewriting among the sabbath keepers lately...

the interpretation that you are suggesting simply won't work...because one verse earlier we find this...

acts 20:6..."We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days."

it took them about five days to reach troas...and they stayed there for seven days...that makes twelve days total...

even making the lenient assumption that they set sail immediately after the last day of unleavened bread...that still means paul's sermon took place no less than twelve days after the feast had ended...

the day of the wave offering of the firstfruits was during the feast of unleavened bread...specifically it was on the day after the weekly sabbath whenever it fell during the feast...

so here is the problem...even making the lenient assumption that the wave offering that year was on the very last day of the feast...it means that the 'first sabbath' that was counted from that date was no more than seven days after the end of the feast...

but paul was preaching at least -twelve- days after the end of the feast...it could not possibly have been the first sabbath counted from the wave offering...

so the only viable alternative is that your 'first of the sabbaths' interpretation is incorrect and that the mainstream translation 'first day of the week' is correct...

meaning that paul's sermon and the associated meeting and breaking of bread took place on a sunday...
 

john832

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there seems to be an epidemic of blatant scripture rewriting among the sabbath keepers lately...

the interpretation that you are suggesting simply won't work...because one verse earlier we find this...

acts 20:6..."We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days."

it took them about five days to reach troas...and they stayed there for seven days...that makes twelve days total...

even making the lenient assumption that they set sail immediately after the last day of unleavened bread...that still means paul's sermon took place no less than twelve days after the feast had ended...

the day of the wave offering of the firstfruits was during the feast of unleavened bread...specifically it was on the day after the weekly sabbath whenever it fell during the feast...

so here is the problem...even making the lenient assumption that the wave offering that year was on the very last day of the feast...it means that the 'first sabbath' that was counted from that date was no more than seven days after the end of the feast...

but paul was preaching at least -twelve- days after the end of the feast...it could not possibly have been the first sabbath counted from the wave offering...

so the only viable alternative is that your 'first of the sabbaths' interpretation is incorrect and that the mainstream translation 'first day of the week' is correct...

meaning that paul's sermon and the associated meeting and breaking of bread took place on a sunday...
I will have to look at this much closer. I based this conclusion on the work of E. W. Bullinger. If in error, I will certainly admit that and not use his conclusions again.
 
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I will have to look at this much closer. I based this conclusion on the work of E. W. Bullinger. If in error, I will certainly admit that and not use his conclusions again.
John, wanted to say I find your humility refreshing, and rare.

As for me, it makes no difference what day Paul preached, as far as my Sabbath observance goes, it doesn't change the meaning of "forever" nor does it negate what is prophesied to come, which is how and when worship of Almighty shall be..all nations..from Sabbath to Sabbath. I daresay Paul must have preached at every opportunity.

Remember the Sabbath, to keep it Holy. Messiah had ample time to say "All bets are off! Remember when I wrote all those instructions with my finger..carved in stone..? Well, nevermind! Now I have changed my mind!" No, He didn't do that. The Catholic Church changed the day of worship. Most folks here know that, but they remain true to their church, and tradition.
 

john832

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John, wanted to say I find your humility refreshing, and rare.

As for me, it makes no difference what day Paul preached, as far as my Sabbath observance goes, it doesn't change the meaning of "forever" nor does it negate what is prophesied to come, which is how and when worship of Almighty shall be..all nations..from Sabbath to Sabbath. I daresay Paul must have preached at every opportunity.

Remember the Sabbath, to keep it Holy. Messiah had ample time to say "All bets are off! Remember when I wrote all those instructions with my finger..carved in stone..? Well, nevermind! Now I have changed my mind!" No, He didn't do that. The Catholic Church changed the day of worship. Most folks here know that, but they remain true to their church, and tradition.
Oh, this does not change my mind about the Sabbath, it is something I have to research about this passage, but even if this is on the first day of the week, it in no way changes my mind about the fourth Commandment...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
 

gotime

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leviticus 23:5..."In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD's Passover."

numbers 28:16..."Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORD's Passover."

passover was a day and here it is said to be the lord's...by the same logic you are using to claim that 'the lord's sabbath' means the sabbath must be 'the lord's day'...it could just as easily be claimed that 'the lord's passover' proves that passover must be 'the lord's day'

nehemiah 8:9-10..."Then Nehemiah, who was the governor, and Ezra the priest and scribe, and the Levites who taught the people said to all the people, 'This day is holy to the LORD your God; do not mourn or weep.' For all the people were weeping when they heard the words of the law. Then he said to them, 'Go, eat of the fat, drink of the sweet, and send portions to him who has nothing prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not be grieved, for the joy of the LORD is your strength."

it could likewise be argued based on this verse that the feast of trumpets has equal claim to being 'the lord's day'...

passover and the feast of trumpets of course can be on any day of the week whatsoever in any given year...

finally there is this verse...

isaiah 49:8..."Thus says the LORD, 'In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped You; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;"

this significant day when God 'helped' the messiah would be the day of christ's resurrection...when God raised jesus from the dead...which was a sunday...

so based on this verse sunday also could have a specific claim to being the day referred to as 'the lord's day'...resurrection sunday was a day favorable to the messiah and therefore it could be considered his special day...

this is a stretch of course...but no more of a stretch than all of the hand waving arguments you have been using to claim that the sabbath must be the lord's day...

what is -really- a stretch though...is the way you are implying that every early christian writer must have misunderstood john's use of the term 'the lord's day'...including ignatius of antioch who was actually -taught by john himself- and even wrote the letter in which he referred to sunday as 'the lord's day' -while john was still alive- and could have corrected ignatius if he had been in error...
Really? you think I am stretching?

I said most not all days are pertaining to the Sabbath. but I did not include feasts because the feasts are based around sacrifices which are fulfilled in Christ. SO I did not mention them thinking you would have the sense to acknowledge they are not what John is talking about.

which means bringing that up helps your argue in no way because we both know that they can not be what the Lords Day is referring to.

I also find it interesting that you argue for a Sunday application of the Lords day based partly on Isaiah 49 when you trued to tell me that I am wrong because I did not have a scripture that directly said the Sabbath is the Lords Day. sounds like double standards to me.

On top of that point you have yet to link your resurrection to that text. I can see clearly the crucifixion linked:

[h=1]Isa 49:15 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, these may forget, yet will not I forget thee. [/h]Isa 49:16 Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

and on top of that the verse after the one you quoted:

Isa 49:9 saying to them that are bound, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, Show yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and on all bare heights shall be their pasture.

This prophecy is linked with:

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord Jehovah is upon me; because Jehovah hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of Jehovah's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

This was fulfilled:

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor: He hath sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down: and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, To-day hath this scripture been fulfilled in your ears.

So while I could accept that the resurrection may possible be connected, so is the death and the life of Jesus. as you said its a stretch. but I would say a much bigger stretch than what I said. in fact I did not stretch at all.

the Sabbath is a day.
Jesus "is" the lord of the Sabbath day.

The Bible points this out numerous times giving it credence. Yet you still have nothing but the reasoning of men. Those men can not even give bible reasons for their position.

Yes I can just see it now, The Holy Spirit got his people to record things that have to rely on men to tell us what they mean. I mean really? is that the position you are going to take?

and then try to rubbish a position that says I will use the bible to tell me what John meant? really?

IF your point has any truth in it then prove it from the bible.
 

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the problem is that you -haven't- gone to God and his word to find out what day 'the lord's day' was...you just wanted it to be the sabbath and then made some hand waving arguments involving scriptures that don't even prove your point...

every day belongs to the lord...but the term 'the lord's day' must have had a specific meaning to the early church in order for john to have used it without further explanation...and it is simply a historical fact established from early christian writings that the early church used the term 'the lord's day' to refer to sunday...
really? I use scripture and you say I am just trying to make it fit. yet you have no scripture at all.

Lets make this simple:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Here is what Sunday keepers use to uphold their false teachings but I prefer to know from God what this means. being that Revelation is inundated with old testament connections I think hey lets see if there is a Day that God specifically points out that is his and he is lord of it.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The Seventh day, that's a day, of the Lord, that's the Lord. it seems that the Lord has a day the 7th day to be exact.

notice Isaiah 58,

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Here again we have the "Lord" and the "Lord" has a Sabbath day which he calls "my holy day" Which means its the Lord's day. simple He is the Lord and he has a day. thus the Lord's day.


look at Isaiah 56:

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

again the Lord has his Sabbaths. by the way this is prophetic the strangers being spoken of are the times of the gentiles.



Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

notice agian, we have the "Lord" of the "Sabbath day"

and again it says:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

can you not see that the 7th day is the Lords day clearly in scripture. God claims it as his day on more than one occasion. both Old and new testament.

I don't see how you can think this is a stretch when all the elements needed are there. and then say that its Sunday when you have nothing to support your claim from the bible.
 
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IDK. I will say this. I would rather not honor Sunday nor Saturday or any other day if it draws the focus of my faith off the work of the cross.

If your right arm offends you, then cut it off. If your eye offends you, then pluck it out. It is better to enter the Kingdom of God with out an arm or an eye than not to enter at all.
 

gotime

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IDK. I will say this. I would rather not honor Sunday nor Saturday or any other day if it draws the focus of my faith off the work of the cross.

If your right arm offends you, then cut it off. If your eye offends you, then pluck it out. It is better to enter the Kingdom of God with out an arm or an eye than not to enter at all.
Nothing should take our faith from the work of Jesus on the cross.
 
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Kerry

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This is the day that the Lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it. This is the day, this is the day that the Lord has made.
 
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2Thewaters

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yes Sabbath

Exo_31:17 This day is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested,

Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

at_12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Mar_2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Luk_6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.




David wrote this verse
Psa 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

he never kept sunday

therefore it is the sabbath
 

mustaphadrink

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every day belongs to the lord...but the term 'the lord's day' must have had a specific meaning to the early church in order for john to have used it without further explanation...and it is simply a historical fact established from early christian writings that the early church used the term 'the lord's day' to refer to sunday...
there is not one verse in the Greek that refers to the Lord's Day as Sunday.
 

mustaphadrink

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This is the day that the Lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it. This is the day, this is the day that the Lord has made.
This has nothing at all to do with the Sabbath or Sunday. The original Hebrew meaning is to be hot, a day as the warm hours. Literally a day from sunrise to sunset and by extension, not the cold night.
 

mustaphadrink

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IDK. I will say this. I would rather not honor Sunday nor Saturday or any other day if it draws the focus of my faith off the work of the cross.

If your right arm offends you, then cut it off. If your eye offends you, then pluck it out. It is better to enter the Kingdom of God with out an arm or an eye than not to enter at all.
Non sequitur