You didn't run me off and I'm certainly not out to debase you in any way shape or form, I read a post, think about what it is trying to tell me and check the spirits.....
I'd like to first have you understand something, I picked a bunch of wild grapes 8 or 9 months ago and put then in a 1 gallon milk jug, plastic, with a large hole I put in at the top, stems and all. Then I made another jug like the first and pulled the grapes from the stems and put them all in the other jug till I had filled it full of nothing but grapes. I had no food and was homeless and was living in an old canning factory warehouse, so when I saw food for the taking out in the bushes....I TOOK and that's what I lived on for 2 whole months. I had electricity there and I had an electric coleman cooler where I kept them. The point is, in only two weeks time some of my containers had become fermented all on their own without adding anything to them, so I had to learn to pick and eat daily to avoid getting high. New wine can definitely get you high. Why do you think people drink champagne on their wedding night...It's the bubbles, it's the fermenting process, it don't have to be old wine to get a buzz. So instead of looking for a different meaning to this:
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Peter said in essence, Act 2:15 these men are not drunk on new wine as you stated, but....
Now the word BUT in this instance is disagreeing, which is what Peter did. He disagreed with them.
You stated in an above post that Peter wasn't disagreeing, and this is not so. And the meaning of the words, new wine, in Acts 2:13 in context ment to those mockers simply, wine that was freshly made and not the HS. Peter never said, this is the new wine which is the HS, he simply said, this is what was prophesied by.....and the prophet Joel never used the words new wine either.
Even though new wine is certainly used in scripture, in this instance it just means new wine made by man and nothing more.
The focus isn't on the new wine, it is on the prophecy of Joel. The speaking of Gods word by men of other tongues.
As far as your other posts, I'm sure I've agreed with some and will probably disagree with others. It's a bible discussion forum, that's what this forum is for, and certainly nothing personal. I'm sure you disagree with some of my statements too.
I have no hard feelings and wish for you to have none either.
P.S. And I guess I should say in all fairness, this is just my opinion.
I'd like to first have you understand something, I picked a bunch of wild grapes 8 or 9 months ago and put then in a 1 gallon milk jug, plastic, with a large hole I put in at the top, stems and all. Then I made another jug like the first and pulled the grapes from the stems and put them all in the other jug till I had filled it full of nothing but grapes. I had no food and was homeless and was living in an old canning factory warehouse, so when I saw food for the taking out in the bushes....I TOOK and that's what I lived on for 2 whole months. I had electricity there and I had an electric coleman cooler where I kept them. The point is, in only two weeks time some of my containers had become fermented all on their own without adding anything to them, so I had to learn to pick and eat daily to avoid getting high. New wine can definitely get you high. Why do you think people drink champagne on their wedding night...It's the bubbles, it's the fermenting process, it don't have to be old wine to get a buzz. So instead of looking for a different meaning to this:
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Peter said in essence, Act 2:15 these men are not drunk on new wine as you stated, but....
Now the word BUT in this instance is disagreeing, which is what Peter did. He disagreed with them.
You stated in an above post that Peter wasn't disagreeing, and this is not so. And the meaning of the words, new wine, in Acts 2:13 in context ment to those mockers simply, wine that was freshly made and not the HS. Peter never said, this is the new wine which is the HS, he simply said, this is what was prophesied by.....and the prophet Joel never used the words new wine either.
Even though new wine is certainly used in scripture, in this instance it just means new wine made by man and nothing more.
The focus isn't on the new wine, it is on the prophecy of Joel. The speaking of Gods word by men of other tongues.
As far as your other posts, I'm sure I've agreed with some and will probably disagree with others. It's a bible discussion forum, that's what this forum is for, and certainly nothing personal. I'm sure you disagree with some of my statements too.
I have no hard feelings and wish for you to have none either.
P.S. And I guess I should say in all fairness, this is just my opinion.
We wont agree on everything... this stuff is too deep for us to see it the same way right off the bat, but if we continue to dialogue with each other and not beat each other up, I'm sure we can all learn something from one another.
I do want you to know that I don't post this stuff to get attention, I want to help people understand God's word better. There is so much more to God's word than what most people think. Have patients with me, if you disagree now, who knows maybe later you might agree or you might change my mind.
God speaks in the bible in a predictable way.... I don't wont to tell you what scripture means, I want to show how God speaks in his word so that you can learn these things through your own reading. That's the way it happened with me, some one else showed me exactly what I'm trying to show you. And thank God he did.