Anti-Semitism?

[SarahM777]

Myyyy such color...but you missed the whole point.
The issue is did God take away His promise of land to Abraham-Isaac and Jacob? What He promised in the Abrahamic covenant is not annulled by the conditional Mosaic Covenant.
The Church clearly inherits the spiritual promises given to Abraham and his seed as spelled out all through the New Testament, but nowhere does it explicitly say that the Church will receive specific land promises.

Dispensation MISSES the point of what the land promise IS. The land is a TYPE AND SHADOW. Go read Acts 7 and Hebrews 11. Abraham,Isaac and Jacob DID NOT receive the promises in this life. Hebrews 11 clearly tells us they were looking for a HEAVENLY CITY AND A HEAVENLY LAND. Not an EARTHLY one. They ALL knew God had promised them something GREATER then that sliver of land in the Middle East.

Hebrews 11

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance,obeyed and went,even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents,as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations,whose architect and builder is God.

11 By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was barren--was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised;they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance.And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God,for he has prepared a city for them.

Acts 7

1 Then the high priest asked him, "Are these charges true?" 2 To this he replied: "Brothers and fathers,listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran.3 'Leave your country and your people,' God said, 'and go to the land I will show you. 4 "So he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Haran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living.5 He gave him no inheritance here,not even a foot of ground. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land,even though at that time Abraham had no child.

 

[SarahM777]

Myyyy such color...but you missed the whole point.
The issue is did God take away His promise of land to Abraham-Isaac and Jacob? What He promised in the Abrahamic covenant is not annulled by the conditional Mosaic Covenant.
The Church clearly inherits the spiritual promises given to Abraham and his seed as spelled out all through the New Testament, but nowhere does it explicitly say that the Church will receive specific land promises.

Crossnote,

Have you dealt with the foundational LIE that ALL of the prophecies about Jesus and the cross were fulfilled LITERALLY?

Wrong,not ALL of the prophecies about the cross were fulfilled LITERALLY.

Genesis 3

14The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life;15And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

Unless Jesus actually went and stomped on a serpents head and He crushed the serpents head,and the serpent actually bruised His heel IT WAS NOT FULFILLED LITERALLY. It was fulfilled spiritually.


Isaiah 7

14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Matthew 1

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Mary was told to name Him Jesus NOT Immanuel.


Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD Malichi 4:5

Matthew 17
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

John the Baptist was NOT Elijah. Yet Jesus say he was Elijah come again.

Again NOT ALL of the prophecies of Jesus 1st coming were fulfilled LITERALLY.

I don't have a whole lot of time to go into the rest at this time,and there are others who have gone into those and do a very good job of it.

 

[SarahM777]

And to take if further. If the land promise WAS NOT A TYPE AND SHADOW,how then did God fulfill His promise to Abraham about possessing the LAND forever,when Abraham,Issac and Jacob did NOT receive the land,and then for 430 years they were in Egypt,before the Law was given,which contained the conditions for remaining in the land (Really hard to possess one land when you're a slave in another) and yet GOD DID NOT BREAK HIS PROMISE? Because remember GOD CAN NOT LIE.

 

[crossnote]

Dispensation MISSES the point of what the land promise IS. The land is a TYPE AND SHADOW. Go read Acts 7 and Hebrews 11. Abraham,Isaac and Jacob DID NOT receive the promises in this life. Hebrews 11 clearly tells us they were looking for a HEAVENLY CITY AND A HEAVENLY LAND. Not an EARTHLY one. They ALL knew God had promised them something GREATER then that sliver of land in the Middle East.

Hebrews 11

8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance,obeyed and went,even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents,as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise.10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations,whose architect and builder is God.

11 By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was barren--was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised;they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance.And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth.14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God,for he has prepared a city for them.

Acts 7

1 Then the high priest asked him, "Are these charges true?" 2 To this he replied: "Brothers and fathers,listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran.3 'Leave your country and your people,' God said, 'and go to the land I will show you. 4 "So he left the land of the Chaldeans and settled in Haran. After the death of his father, God sent him to this land where you are now living.5 He gave him no inheritance here,not even a foot of ground. But God promised him that he and his descendants after him would possess the land,even though at that time Abraham had no child.

Funny that the land promises are types and shadows but the promises of persecution and being driven from the land turns out to be flesh and blood.
Perhaps you should refreshen your memory on the difference between 'types and shadows' compared to 'allegory'. You are living in the allegorical land of allegory...not types.

 

[crossnote]

And to take if further. If the land promise WAS NOT A TYPE AND SHADOW,how then did God fulfill His promise to Abraham about possessing the LAND forever,when Abraham,Issac and Jacob did NOT receive the land,and then for 430 years they were in Egypt,before the Law was given,which contained the conditions for remaining in the land (Really hard to possess one land when you're a slave in another) and yet GOD DID NOT BREAK HIS PROMISE? Because remember GOD CAN NOT LIE.

I think I've explained myself enough, obviously you hold to the allegorical position when it comes to the prophecies concerning the future of national Israel, I don't. This is nothing new and I've heard these arguments before and so I don't care to carry on especially on an off topic subject...unless you want to go into the anti semitic slant of Amillennialism and how it was concocted by anti semitic Church Fathers who were drunk with Greek philosophy as they allegorized the Jewish Scriptures to fit Rome's Church mold.

 

[Ukorin]

I'm not into all the allegory, but I do separate the future nation of Israel, governed by Christ,
from the current nation, governed by man.

In all honesty, I do accept that the current Israel is connected and is facilitating End Times events and prophecies.

I question two things, and both are questions of Christians, not natural Jews:
1. Isn't getting political, and and being focused on world affairs the same as being physically minded, and a form of being ensnared by the troubles of this world?
Christ builds a New Temple, of Living Stones. We are called to gather these Stones through evangelism.
We are not called to build a new temple of earthly dead stone.

2. If the destiny of this third Temple is to be as a false Temple, used by the Antichrist, then is it a good goal to aid building it?
If we aid in building it, we aid in the sacrifices it is built to offer. Those sacrifices have no use to the Kingdom, or to God's Redemtion or atonement for sin.
They are like the sacrifices of Cain, in a way, but worse, as they are used to lead many astray into Great Deception and apostasy.

Let us not be physically minded, but pursue the spiritual things,
nor let us cheapen the promise of Restoration to Israel, by claim it is now.
We are not waiting in expectation for a false temple to be 'restored' by human hands,
but waiting in expectation for the Return of our Lord, and the Restoration He brings.

 

[crossnote]

I'm not into all the allegory, but I do separate the future nation of Israel, governed by Christ,
from the current nation, governed by man.

In all honesty, I do accept that the current Israel is connected and is facilitating End Times events and prophecies.

I question two things, and both are questions of Christians, not natural Jews:
1. Isn't getting political, and and being focused on world affairs the same as being physically minded, and a form of being ensnared by the troubles of this world?
Christ builds a New Temple, of Living Stones. We are called to gather these Stones through evangelism.
We are not called to build a new temple of earthly dead stone.

2. If the destiny of this third Temple is to be as a false Temple, used by the Antichrist, then is it a good goal to aid building it?
If we aid in building it, we aid in the sacrifices it is built to offer. Those sacrifices have no use to the Kingdom, or to God's Redemtion or atonement for sin.
They are like the sacrifices of Cain, in a way, but worse, as they are used to lead many astray into Great Deception and apostasy.

Let us not be physically minded, but pursue the spiritual things,
nor let us cheapen the promise of Restoration to Israel, by claim it is now.
We are not waiting in expectation for a false temple to be 'restored' by human hands,
but waiting in expectation for the Return of our Lord, and the Restoration He brings.

Yes indirectly the present Israel is ruled by man but it is the same 'physical' Israel which will be judged through great Tribulation and the same 'physical' Israel which will be refined by fire and the same 'physical' Israel which will cry out in their affliction and the same 'physical' Israel which Christ will return to with flaming vengeance saving Zion as His feet set down on 'physical' Israel to set up the 'physical' Millennium, where He will rule and reign from 'physical' Israel.

Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
(Zec 14:3-5)

 

[Linda70]

Yes indirectly the present Israel is ruled by man but it is the same 'physical' Israel which will be judged through great Tribulation and the same 'physical' Israel which will be refined by fire and the same 'physical' Israel which will cry out in their affliction and the same 'physical' Israel which Christ will return to with flaming vengeance saving Zion as His feet set down on 'physical' Israel to set up the 'physical' Millennium, where He will rule and reign from 'physical' Israel.

Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
(Zec 14:3-5)

Amen Bro. crossnote!

This is the same 'physical' Israel where every Israelite recognizes Jerusalem as the 'capitol'....of that same 'physical' Jerusalem the psalmist wrote:

Psalms 122:1 A Song of degrees of David. I was glad when they said unto me, Let us go into the house of the LORD.
Psalms 122:2 Our feet shall stand within thy gates, O Jerusalem.
Psalms 122:3 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together:
Psalms 122:4 Whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the LORD.
Psalms 122:5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David.
Psalms 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.*
Psalms 122:7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.
Psalms 122:8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.
Psalms 122:9 Because of the house of the LORD our God I will seek thy good.

* Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalayim - Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

 

[SarahM777]

I think I've explained myself enough, obviously you hold to the allegorical position when it comes to the prophecies concerning the future of national Israel, I don't. This is nothing new and I've heard these arguments before and so I don't care to carry on especially on an off topic subject...unless you want to go into the anti semitic slant of Amillennialism and how it was concocted by anti semitic Church Fathers who were drunk with Greek philosophy as they allegorized the Jewish Scriptures to fit Rome's Church mold.

Crossnote,

It is NOT anti-semitism to say that a SUBSET of Israel will receive the land promises. The subset of Israel that receives the land will be BELIEVING Israel which the church is a CONTINUATION of that with the Gentiles GRAFTED INTO BELIEVING ISRAEL. Paul when he speaks on the grafting in of the Gentiles is pointing BACK to Exodus 12.

Exodus 12

43 And the Lord said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

A Gentile that converted and was circumcised was allowed to take part of BOTH the spiritual and physical blessings. You forget Rhab and RUTH,both Gentiles whom received BOTH the physical and spiritual blessings of Israel.

Ruth 3

8 And it came to pass at midnight, that the man was afraid, and turned himself: and, behold, a woman lay at his feet. 9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I amRuth thine handmaid: spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman. 10 And he said, Blessed be thou of the Lord, my daughter: for thou hast shewed more kindness in the latter end than at the beginning, inasmuch as thou followedst not young men, whether poor or rich. 11 And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thouart a virtuous woman. 12 And now it is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit there is a kinsman nearer than I. 13 Tarry this night, and it shall be in the morning, that if he will perform unto thee the part of a kinsman, well; let him do the kinsman’s part: but if he will not do the part of a kinsman to thee, then will I do the part of a kinsman to thee, as the Lord liveth: lie down until the morning.

4 Then went Boaz up to the gate, and sat him down there: and, behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom he said, Ho, such a one! turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down. 2 And he took ten men of the elders of the city, and said, Sit ye down here. And they sat down. 3 And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech’s: 4 and I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: for there is none to redeem itbeside thee; and I am after thee. And he said, I will redeem it. 5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; for I cannot redeem it. 7 Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel. 8 Therefore the kinsman said unto Boaz, Buy it for thee. So he drew off his shoe.
9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, of the hand of Naomi. 10 Moreover Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of Mahlon, have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance, that the name of the dead be not cut off from among his brethren, and from the gate of his place: ye are witnesses this day. 11 And all the people that were in the gate, and the elders, said, We are witnesses. The Lord make the woman that is come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two did build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah, and be famous in Beth-lehem: 12 and let thy house be like the house of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the Lord shall give thee of this young woman.

Boaz treated Ruth as A DAUGHTER OF ISRAEL. He points BACK to the Mosaic law.

In essence what dispensationalism does is take the land promise AWAY FROM THE JEWISH CHRISTIANS. It is BELIEVING Israel that receives the land promise. The distinction that MUST be made is exactly as Paul writes. Believing Israel and believing Gentiles have become ONE TREE,Christian Jews are the CONTINUATION of believing Israel,the believing Gentiles have BECOME PART OF believing Israel.

Therefore then the contention MUST come down to WHICH ISRAEL inherits the land? To make the make the distinction between the Old Testament Jewish believers,New Testament Christian Jewish Believers that receive the land,and unrepentant unbelieving Jewish people IS NOT ANTI-SEMITISM.

 

[crossnote]

SarahM,
The subset of Israel is believing Israel, not believing Gentiles. No where in the NT is land promised to the Church.

 

[Bride]

SarahM,
The subset of Israel is believing Israel, not believing Gentiles. No where in the NT is land promised to the Church.

What's this? Chopped liver?
(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
(Luk 1:55)
As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
(Mat 5:5)
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
(Mat 25:34)
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
(Heb 11:16)


But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly country: wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for he hath prepared for them a city.




(1Co 6:19)
Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;


(Rev 22:14)
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(Rev 22:19)
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

(Rev 21:2)
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
(Gal 4:26)
But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.

THE PROMISED LAND NOW REVEALED RIGHT IN FRONT OF US HERE. Praise Jesus the Messiah of Israel! Thank you for giving us your EVERLASTING LAND OF ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM OUR CITY AND THE TEMPLE OF OUR BODIES!! How we thank you for giving us eyes to see and ears to hear and to know that you have fulfilled your promises and your oath to Abraham. Thank you Jesus Amen!

(Luk 1:54)
He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
(Luk 1:55)
As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

 

[Bride]

I think I've explained myself enough, obviously you hold to the allegorical position when it comes to the prophecies concerning the future of national Israel, I don't. This is nothing new and I've heard these arguments before and so I don't care to carry on especially on an off topic subject...unless you want to go into the anti semitic slant of Amillennialism and how it was concocted by anti semitic Church Fathers who were drunk with Greek philosophy as they allegorized the Jewish Scriptures to fit Rome's Church mold.

HahAAaaAA!!! Did you see the mile of lint pulled out of the belly button this time? Oh your killing me here sparky!

 

[Angelmommie]

That is like saying if I criticize Obama I am a racist..no I am a conservative and do not agree with his politics, not half of his heritage!

 

[kaylagrl]

That is like saying if I criticize Obama I am a racist..no I am a conservative and do not agree with his politics, not half of his heritage!

Its one thing to say Israel isn't right in all it does,another to say they are terrorists as some have.We need to be very careful criticizing Gods chosen people. It's a fine line because it is very easy to become antisemitic when we talk about the Jews.What we say can cause further abuse to be heaped on them,more persecution.As Christians Jews should always have our support,always.

 

[Straightshot]

My comments

Anti-Semitism has deep roots and this behavior essentially comes from hatred for the Lord and His nation of Israel

This blasphemous position actually comes from Satan [Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-18]

One thing to keep in mind .... the Lord is Himself is "Jew"by His humanity, and still is [Revelation 5:5]

He is not a western styled white anglo saxon cowboy

And He intends to preserve Israel as a nation for His own purposes ..... and at the same time destroy all other national human governments on the earth .... believe this

​
Jeremiah
30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

 

[Angelmommie]

Its one thing to say Israel isn't right in all it does,another to say they are terrorists as some have.We need to be very careful criticizing Gods chosen people. It's a fine line because it is very easy to become antisemitic when we talk about the Jews.What we say can cause further abuse to be heaped on them,more persecution.As Christians Jews should always have our support,always.

The original question was..if you criticize Israel are you anti-Semitic..the answer would be no..that would be like saying if I criticize the USA government I am criticizing the USA..sooo not true..because you do not like how something is being run does not mean you have any personal "hate feelings" about the person running things..I personally do support Israel and think Bibi is a great leader..I just think that we are in a time where people are getting confused on the diff between disliking someones/wheres politics and their DNA/race/skin color/etc....we spend too much time trying to separate ourselves from each other instead of coming together

 

[Bride]

My comments

Anti-Semitism has deep roots and this behavior essentially comes from hatred for the Lord and His nation of Israel

This blasphemous position actually comes from Satan [Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:12-18]

One thing to keep in mind .... the Lord is Himself is "Jew"by His humanity, and still is [Revelation 5:5]

He is not a western styled white anglo saxon cowboy

And He intends to preserve Israel as a nation for His own purposes ..... and at the same time destroy all other national human governments on the earth .... believe this

​
Jeremiah
30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

I am a Semite And the love I've received from the Children of God here has been incredible! Thank you Jesus!

 

[kaylagrl]

The original question was..if you criticize Israel are you anti-Semitic..the answer would be no..that would be like saying if I criticize the USA government I am criticizing the USA..sooo not true..because you do not like how something is being run does not mean you have any personal "hate feelings" about the person running things..I personally do support Israel and think Bibi is a great leader..I just think that we are in a time where people are getting confused on the diff between disliking someones/wheres politics and their DNA/race/skin color/etc....we spend too much time trying to separate ourselves from each other instead of coming together

Sorry,just hearing "Come Together" by the Beatles in my head. I support Israel also but I wouldn't say they are right in all they do.But I would say Gods hand is on them still and so we should be careful how we criticize them.Many leaders and movie stars are banning together against Israel right now and calling for boycotts against their food and goods until the Palestinians get a homeland.But the land belongs to the Jews.There is no such thing as Palestinians,it is a politically made up word to push the Jews out of their homeland.Israel has given land for peace to Egypt and would do the same to the Palestinians but they only thing they will accept is the Jews pushed into the sea.So that is why I am very careful about what I say.The Jews have enough persecution,they dont need Christians doing it too.

 

[Angelmommie]

Oh I soo agree with you..hollywood drives me nuts..but I wouldn't care if they are Gods chosen people or not, they still have a right to defend themselves..it is like saying that if Canada (no offence to the Canadians out there..just an example) attacked us we could not fight back! PLEASE! The state of Israel does a miraculous job of keeping herself safe and even keeping her enemies safe and healthy..she is indeed blessed by God!

 

[kaylagrl]

Oh I soo agree with you..hollywood drives me nuts..but I wouldn't care if they are Gods chosen people or not, they still have a right to defend themselves..it is like saying that if Canada (no offence to the Canadians out there..just an example) attacked us we could not fight back! PLEASE! The state of Israel does a miraculous job of keeping herself safe and even keeping her enemies safe and healthy..she is indeed blessed by God!

Yes,we totally agree!!