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Yes it is a good point you make. But unfortunately for your case Peter's repentance is recorded in two gospels in the bible, and occurs almost immediately after his denial of Christ:
Luk 22:61 And the Lord turned and looked on Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, Before the cock crows, you shall deny Me three times.
Luk 22:62 And Peter went out and wept bitterly.
Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, Who said to him, Before the cock crows, you shall deny Me three times. And he went out and wept bitterly.
(On a side note, interestingly Peter was not only a deniar of Christ but a profane man at that point:
"Mat 26:74 Then he began to curse and to swear"
A few good bible commentaries on this verse that confirms this was Peters repentance:
PNT:
He went out and wept bitterly. The look of Christ broke his heart. As the cock crew, his own confident assertions and the word of the Lord, "Before the cock crow twice (before the second cock crowing) thou shalt thrice deny me," rushed upon him. He rushed out into the darkness of the night to weep. Judas sinned, betrayed and sold the Lord from covetousness. Afterward he was sorry, but it was the sorrow of this world that worketh death. It was remorse, not repentance, and he went and hanged himself. Peter's repentance was attested (1) by the bitterness of his tears; (2) by his humble submission to his Lord's subsequent rebuke (Joh_21:15-17); (3) by his subsequent courage in confessing Christ in the face of threatening danger (Act_4:8-12, Act_4:19).
Gill:
and wept bitterly; being thoroughly sensible what an evil and bitter thing the sin was, he had been guilty of: his repentance sprung from Christ's looking upon him, and from his looking to Jesus, and was truly evangelical: it was a sorrow after a godly sort, and was increased by the discoveries of Christ's love unto him; and was attended with faith in him, and views of pardon through him: the Persic version adds, "and his sin is forgiven"; which, though not in the text, yet is a truth; for Peter's repentance was not like Cain's, nor Esau's, nor Judas's; it was not the repentance of one in despair, but was a repentance unto life and salvation, which needed not to be repented of.
Luk 22:61 And the Lord turned and looked on Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, Before the cock crows, you shall deny Me three times.
Luk 22:62 And Peter went out and wept bitterly.
Mat 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, Who said to him, Before the cock crows, you shall deny Me three times. And he went out and wept bitterly.
(On a side note, interestingly Peter was not only a deniar of Christ but a profane man at that point:
"Mat 26:74 Then he began to curse and to swear"
A few good bible commentaries on this verse that confirms this was Peters repentance:
PNT:
He went out and wept bitterly. The look of Christ broke his heart. As the cock crew, his own confident assertions and the word of the Lord, "Before the cock crow twice (before the second cock crowing) thou shalt thrice deny me," rushed upon him. He rushed out into the darkness of the night to weep. Judas sinned, betrayed and sold the Lord from covetousness. Afterward he was sorry, but it was the sorrow of this world that worketh death. It was remorse, not repentance, and he went and hanged himself. Peter's repentance was attested (1) by the bitterness of his tears; (2) by his humble submission to his Lord's subsequent rebuke (Joh_21:15-17); (3) by his subsequent courage in confessing Christ in the face of threatening danger (Act_4:8-12, Act_4:19).
Gill:
and wept bitterly; being thoroughly sensible what an evil and bitter thing the sin was, he had been guilty of: his repentance sprung from Christ's looking upon him, and from his looking to Jesus, and was truly evangelical: it was a sorrow after a godly sort, and was increased by the discoveries of Christ's love unto him; and was attended with faith in him, and views of pardon through him: the Persic version adds, "and his sin is forgiven"; which, though not in the text, yet is a truth; for Peter's repentance was not like Cain's, nor Esau's, nor Judas's; it was not the repentance of one in despair, but was a repentance unto life and salvation, which needed not to be repented of.
and you make some good points also but repentence is not what saves Us, so if peter lost His salvation when he denied Christ then he needed to be saved again, then the Bible should have told us that peter repented and was borned again. if a man is saved then sins, the Father chastises for this sin they then repent/turn from that sin. if their is no conviction of sin then there may not be a Father Child relationship. Judas repented but went to his place Being the son of Perdition his place would have to be hell, repentance did not save Him or even restore Him for He never was.
Mt 27:3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Ac 1:25That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which JUDAS by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Mt 27:3Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
Ac 1:25That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which JUDAS by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Jesus said (to all, unbeliever and disciple alike):
Mat 10:32 Then everyone who shall confess Me before men, I will confess him before My Father who is in Heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in Heaven.
It is not that Peter became unborn again and needs to be re-born again, assuming he was born again in the first place - he was unsaved in the sense that had Peter not repented, and died in his sin of denial, Christ would be denying him before His Father in Heaven as Christ plainly said.
To claim that a born again person cannot be denied by Christ, is to say that what Christ said in Mat 10 was only intended for unbelievers, or that He didn't mean what He said, or to be denied before the Father is to enter heaven which doesn't really make sense.
Mat 10:32 Then everyone who shall confess Me before men, I will confess him before My Father who is in Heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whoever shall deny Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in Heaven.
It is not that Peter became unborn again and needs to be re-born again, assuming he was born again in the first place - he was unsaved in the sense that had Peter not repented, and died in his sin of denial, Christ would be denying him before His Father in Heaven as Christ plainly said.
To claim that a born again person cannot be denied by Christ, is to say that what Christ said in Mat 10 was only intended for unbelievers, or that He didn't mean what He said, or to be denied before the Father is to enter heaven which doesn't really make sense.
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To claim that a born again person cannot be denied by Christ, is to say that what Christ said in Mat 10 was only intended for unbelievers, or that He didn't mean what He said, or to be denied before the Father is to enter heaven which doesn't really make sense.
Don't forget that being born again (which is really about entering into the kingdom of God), doesn't mean God is unable to cast a person out of the kingdom. And I have scriptural support that a person can be thrown out of the kingdom too right here where it says children of the kingdom may be cast out:
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So these verses in Mat 8 show that simply being a child of the kingdom doesn't mean God can't cast you out.
Don't forget that being born again (which is really about entering into the kingdom of God), doesn't mean God is unable to cast a person out of the kingdom. And I have scriptural support that a person can be thrown out of the kingdom too right here where it says children of the kingdom may be cast out:
Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
So these verses in Mat 8 show that simply being a child of the kingdom doesn't mean God can't cast you out.
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The only unpardonable sin is to blasphemy the Holy Spirit which is to reject his convictions to turn you to Jesus and be saved.
Basically: unpardonable sin = reject the salvation that Christ offers by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross and his resurrection. All other sins the blood of Jesus covers.
Why does Jesus not cover this sin?
Because if your reject salvation none of your sins can be forgiven because you did not believe(repentance included) that Jesus died and resurrected to take away the punishment of your sins.
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Matthew 25:46
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life
How long is everlasting?
And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life
How long is everlasting?
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Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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ok, I have read through ten pages of posts and I have to say that I am totally confused. Let me start by saying that there are some great Bible scholars here and I respect their opinion and enjoy their responses, but sometimes it gets a little difficult to understand. Please pray that I will understand more of this interesting Bible information.
Next I want to say that I was saved when I was 8, I was the daughter of a Baptist minister and was raised in the church. I left the church when I got older, but I still believed in God and that Jesus was in my heart and that I was saved. No matter what I did, I still believed that and I have done it all - abortion, premarital sex, drugs, adultery, divorce, lying, stealing, profanity, ungodliness, everything there is to do wrong, I have done. Still I always believed in God, and I always believed that Jesus was in my heart and that I was saved.
So now comes the question, I am just now getting myself back to the point where I feel like I can communicate with God. I have been in my 2nd marriage for twelve years to a wonderful Christian man, who I love and adore. I have always thought that you only have to be saved once. So is that true or not? I have asked God for forgiveness and I know that many of the problems that I face and the every day challanges are because of my falling away from God and doing so many unforgivable things. But I was always taught that God will forgive anyone if they truly repent.
Debbie
Next I want to say that I was saved when I was 8, I was the daughter of a Baptist minister and was raised in the church. I left the church when I got older, but I still believed in God and that Jesus was in my heart and that I was saved. No matter what I did, I still believed that and I have done it all - abortion, premarital sex, drugs, adultery, divorce, lying, stealing, profanity, ungodliness, everything there is to do wrong, I have done. Still I always believed in God, and I always believed that Jesus was in my heart and that I was saved.
So now comes the question, I am just now getting myself back to the point where I feel like I can communicate with God. I have been in my 2nd marriage for twelve years to a wonderful Christian man, who I love and adore. I have always thought that you only have to be saved once. So is that true or not? I have asked God for forgiveness and I know that many of the problems that I face and the every day challanges are because of my falling away from God and doing so many unforgivable things. But I was always taught that God will forgive anyone if they truly repent.
Debbie
Debbie, just a few suggestions that might help make things easier, first of all, perhaps you have to come to terms with the fact you may have not been saved at age 8 despite what others may have told you.
Secondly, don't wait until you feel like it, just pray to God, address Him as your Father in heaven or call him Jesus Christ, He is not angry or unkind or waiting to punish us , He is friendly and approachable and you can think of Him as your counsellor or helper. Ask Him for the power to overcome your issues and ask to be filled or baptised in the Holy Spirit, you won't get anywhere without the Spirit.
Secondly, don't wait until you feel like it, just pray to God, address Him as your Father in heaven or call him Jesus Christ, He is not angry or unkind or waiting to punish us , He is friendly and approachable and you can think of Him as your counsellor or helper. Ask Him for the power to overcome your issues and ask to be filled or baptised in the Holy Spirit, you won't get anywhere without the Spirit.
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I always worried that I was not saved when I was eight. I grew up going to church four times a week and attending a Christian private school, trust me, I could walk the walk and talk the talk, I was a preachers kid.
But I am an adult now. I used to ask God to save me over and over again. Until I heard a sermon that told me that to ask to be saved over and over is a sin against God. I know he is in my heart. I have felt him time and time again. I have seen how without him, I would be dead. I trust God and believe with all my heart that Jesus died for my sins as well as everyone elses. I have asked Jesus to come into my heart and save me. And he did.
There have been many times over the years when I have been tempted by (demons, the devil, whatever) that they could make my life easier, make my burden easier. I have been tempted as recently as this current week because I am going through some severe depression and anxiety this last week and wondering why God wont give me healing.
I have always known, no matter how tempted I am to give in to the Devil or his minions to make my life easier that I can not. Jesus is in my heart, I am saved and no matter what I can not undo that.
Debbie
But I am an adult now. I used to ask God to save me over and over again. Until I heard a sermon that told me that to ask to be saved over and over is a sin against God. I know he is in my heart. I have felt him time and time again. I have seen how without him, I would be dead. I trust God and believe with all my heart that Jesus died for my sins as well as everyone elses. I have asked Jesus to come into my heart and save me. And he did.
There have been many times over the years when I have been tempted by (demons, the devil, whatever) that they could make my life easier, make my burden easier. I have been tempted as recently as this current week because I am going through some severe depression and anxiety this last week and wondering why God wont give me healing.
I have always known, no matter how tempted I am to give in to the Devil or his minions to make my life easier that I can not. Jesus is in my heart, I am saved and no matter what I can not undo that.
Debbie
Debbie very much you are right to believe that if you lose faith that God has saved you it is a sin, Jesus was offered up once after that there is no more sacrifice. But very much in another way the scriptures says that we are sealed until the day of redemption and we all, that know the Bible should know that whatever God shuts, no man can open and what God opens no man can close. However I am afraid you have made another bad turn in your life by turning in here for Help, we all know that without faith it is impossible to please Him, hang on to your faith, for when one gets as low as you have, and we discover that Jesus is all we have, we need to learn at that time, that Jesus is all we need . hey I would tell anyone like you, to follow your heart with your walk with God, you don't need anyones advice in here to tell you when you got saved or cause you to doubt your salvation and say you may not have been saved, and you don't need me to tell you that you were saved. because you said yourself if you hadn't had the protective Hand of God in your life all these years, you know where you would have been , But Debbie, you know that with all you did even at the point of killing your own Baby , you felt the convicting hand of God in your life, and if there is no conviction then you are not one of His , and you and God can only know if you were one of His all these years, by the conviction you felt and by the same conviction that lead you back to the Father. if one wants proof that they are save, just expect the chastising hand of God when we let Him and others down, You have earned though all you went through, you have earned a testamony, this testamony could stop others from killing their babies, find a pro-life org. in your area tell them your story, and let them use you and your testamony, the first lady that changes her matter about killing her baby, and that baby receives life, and God allowed you to have a small part in it , this is where your peace can be found, to let your past after you have asked for forgivness, to let your past keep you from serving Him is another sin. God loves you!!!
Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
In layman's terms: Peter, Satan wants to have you. And he will have you, and you will deny me and fail me. But I gotcha, and I have prayed for you and when you're restored, take care of my sheep.
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
In layman's terms: Peter, Satan wants to have you. And he will have you, and you will deny me and fail me. But I gotcha, and I have prayed for you and when you're restored, take care of my sheep.
Biology
When we are born in to our parent's family.. the biological connection we have can never be lossed.. only by death. Now Jesus' commitment to us is greater than that of a biological connection because it is spiritual. Are we to say that a human biological connection is deeper than Jesus' commitment to us for salvation?
When we are born in to our parent's family.. the biological connection we have can never be lossed.. only by death. Now Jesus' commitment to us is greater than that of a biological connection because it is spiritual. Are we to say that a human biological connection is deeper than Jesus' commitment to us for salvation?