Revelation

[phil112]

Revelation 2:12-13 tells us where satan's throne is located, and Revelation 13:2 shows the man of sin given this throne.

Pergamos also known as Pergamum in Revelation is located in Turkey...................

You said throne. The bible never says satan has a throne. A throne is where a KING sits. satan is never called a king. If you're going to quote scripture, quote it, stop adding to it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sister, don't feel alone. I spend a fair amount of time elsewhere with guys and gals who really DO understand Theology, and half the time they don't agree, either.

Understanding based upon your perception..........?

 

[kennethcadwell]

You said throne. The bible never says satan has a throne. A throne is where a KING sits. satan is never called a king. If you're going to quote scripture, quote it, stop adding to it.

Revelation 2:13

'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Revelation 2:13

'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

#2362 θρόνος thronos {thron'-os} from thrao (to sit), a stately seat ("throne"); TDNT - 3:160,338; n m
1) a throne seat 1a) a chair of state having a footstool 1b) assigned in the NT to kings, hence, kingly power or royalty 1b1) metaph. to God, the governor of the world 1b2) to the Messiah, Christ, the partner and assistant in the divine administration 1b2a) hence divine power belonging to Christ 1b3) to judges i.e. tribunal or bench 1b4) to elders
Revelation 2:13; 13:2; 16:10.Luke 1:52. Revelation 4:4, 4; 11:16.Matthew 5:34; 19:28; 23:22; 25:31. Luke 1:32. Acts 2:30; 7:49. Hebrews 1:8; 4:16; 8:1; 12:2. Revelation1:4; 3:21, 21; 4:2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 9, 10, 10; 5:1, 6, 7, 11, 13; 6:16; 7:9, 10, 11, 11, 15, 15, 17; 8:3;12:5; 14:3, 5; 16:17; 19:4, 5; 20:11; 21:5; 22:1, 3.thronesMatthew 19:28. Luke 22:30. Colossians 1:16. Revelation 20:4.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Revelation 2:13

'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

Are we told to compare spiritual things with natural things? LOL No, we are told to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Sounds crowded huh? LOL How bout this one....

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Guess the beasty better check his seat before hit sits down on his throne huh? LOL You guys are killin me over here! LOL

 

[kennethcadwell]

Are we told to compare spiritual things with natural things? LOL No, we are told to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Sounds crowded huh? LOL How bout this one....

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Guess the beasty better check his seat before hit sits down on his throne huh? LOL You guys are killin me over here! LOL

I know the spiritual side of things, but that does not mean they have a physical side to.
You do realize that John was writing to an actual physical church in the scripture I gave, and by John we were given an actual physical city where this is located. Physical church, and physical city.....Not a spiritual church or spiritual city.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Are we told to compare spiritual things with natural things? LOL No, we are told to compare spiritual things with spiritual.

Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Sounds crowded huh? LOL How bout this one....

Revelation 16:10
And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Guess the beasty better check his seat before hit sits down on his throne huh? LOL You guys are killin me over here! LOL

You could have better highlighted that lol (they , they, they)

 

[kennethcadwell]

You could have better highlighted that lol (they , they, they)

The thing is that Revelation 16:10 just proves the point even more, as the bowl judgments of God are poured out on the Earth and its inhabitants. Not in some spiritual realm or hell even, as satan's kingdom is now hell. It is the earth until the Lord comes back and takes it back and destroys the beast and his system.......

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You could have better highlighted that lol (they , they, they)

Yes, thanks, many members make up both the body of the Lamb and beast. (crowded seat) LOL

 

[DesiredHaven]

Yes, thanks, many members make up both the body of the Lamb and beast. (crowded seat) LOL

I'll let you go this time, but you are not supposed to miss these things but bring out these details to us students of the lesser sorts lol

 

[DesiredHaven]

The thing is that Revelation 16:10 just proves the point even more, as the bowl judgments of God are poured out on the Earth and its inhabitants. Not in some spiritual realm or hell even, as satan's kingdom is now hell. It is the earth until the Lord comes back and takes it back and destroys the beast and his system.......

Its looks like the day of the LORD is upon the proud



Satans kinda proud isnt he?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Can you tell Im tired of copy pasting? lol

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I know the spiritual side of things, but that does not mean they have a physical side to.
You do realize that John was writing to an actual physical church in the scripture I gave, and by John we were given an actual physical city where this is located. Physical church, and physical city.....Not a spiritual church or spiritual city.

The spiritual symbolisms will manifest themselves in a physical reality, but perhaps not in the way you and others might think. What I often see is people taking spiritual symbolisms and judging them only by outward appearances, and not by the mind of the Spirit.

You take spiritual things and you try to apply them to natural things, this is what the "natural mind" does, because it only knows what it knows naturally (earthly).

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I'll let you go this time, but you are not supposed to miss these things but bring out these details to us students of the lesser sorts lol

Well that wasn't the point I was going for at the moment, but thanks for keeping me in check. lol

 

[DesiredHaven]

Well that wasn't the point I was going for at the moment, but thanks for keeping me in check. lol

And I used to think you could multi task lol

 

[kennethcadwell]

The spiritual symbolisms will manifest themselves in a physical reality, but perhaps not in the way you and others might think. What I often see is people taking spiritual symbolisms and judging them only by outward appearances, and not by the mind of the Spirit.

You take spiritual things and you try to apply them to natural things, this is what the "natural mind" does, because it only knows what it knows naturally (earthly).

1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

That scripture does not go against placing the prophecies of the bible with things that happen physically.
The context of that scripture is that the Holy Spirit reveals to our spirit what things are from Him and what things are not, so that we do not get fooled into following after deceptions and false babblings. This in no way says that we can not determine if and event fits the bible or not, as all symbolism in prophecy stands for an actual physical occurance, place, kingdom. We discern through the Spirit what it is or not, but when it comes to say an actual place then it is an actual place. As in Revelation 2 it says John is writing to the actual church in Pergamos, which is in Turkey, and says this is where satans seat/throne is at.
Yes it maybe a spiritual throne, but it is located in a physical location.............

The bible has Turkey mentioned throughout it as one of the major end time nations..........

 

[PlainWord]

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How are the merchants of the earth made rich by Saudi Arabia

I don't know about you but $147 billion to me is a lot of money.

If I was one of these middle eastern merchants getting even $1 billion from them I would be delighted and sad to see them go. If you understand that the "earth" is not the entire world, it makes much more sense. Only a couple of the countries on the list are from the "earth" as spoken of by John.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That scripture does not go against placing the prophecies of the bible with things that happen physically.
The context of that scripture is that the Holy Spirit reveals to our spirit what things are from Him and what things are not, so that we do not get fooled into following after deceptions and false babblings. This in no way says that we can not determine if and event fits the bible or not, as all symbolism in prophecy stands for an actual physical occurance, place, kingdom. We discern through the Spirit what it is or not, but when it comes to say an actual place then it is an actual place. As in Revelation 2 it says John is writing to the actual church in Pergamos, which is in Turkey, and says this is where satans seat/throne is at.
Yes it maybe a spiritual throne, but it is located in a physical location.............

The bible has Turkey mentioned throughout it as one of the major end time nations..........

No doubt the churches had a physical location, but do you really believe Satan had a physical seat and throne for him to sit on in Turkey? Is that what the Holy Spirit is saying to you? Not me Ken. Tell me, does the devil also have a literal brick and mortar prison where he persecutes Christians for 10 literal days? Is the tribulation only 10 literal days, or perhaps the Spirit is saying something else in this verse?

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

If this is not speaking of spiritual things Ken, then you had better rethink your 7 year tribulation theory because the Bible says different.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And I used to think you could multi task lol

No, I was never good at multi tasking....I have to concentrate on one thing at a time. Not good with too many pokers in the fire. lol

 

[PlainWord]

slam dunk?

lol.. study more then come talk to me.

your arrogance alone tells me you do not speak for God.

You do not use an OT passage which speaks were ISREAL got its goods. to prove wher ethe WORLD get its good.

not to mention. that was not talking about babylon, it was talking about where people got stuff.

Saudia arabia has oil. Once that oil is gone, it has no power. it is a dessert.

God does not need me to speak for Him. He is quite capable of speaking for Himself and His Word speaks clearly as to the identity of the final Beast. Saudi Arabia is not going to run out of oil before it is nuked by Iran. Iran is majorly ticked off at the Saudis right now. Obama will do nothing to stop Iran from getting her nukes and once she does, bye bye Saudis and Mecca.

But once that happens, you are still going to come on here and lecture me about the Beast being the Roman Catholic Church, won't you?

Oh and the OT passage I quoted was not about where Israel got it's stuff it was where Tyre got it's stuff. Tyre, that rich ancient island which has since been connected by land to Lebanon is tied to Satan. Satan is called the Prince of Tyre, Ezek 28. Islam is also Satan's and Satan loves his "stuff", his luxury items. The comparison is to the Saudis who are living the life of luxury from selling their oil. Iran is going to put an end to it soon enough, within the next few years, I'd wager.