A mistake/error/heresy ?.........imho

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it is again and again taught,thought and accepted that Jesus said and the Bible says that Christians must be born again - wincam
 

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it is again and again taught,thought and accepted that Jesus said and the Bible says that Christians must be born again - wincam
One is not born again because one is a Christian. One is a Christian be cause one has been born again. On is not a Christian without the new birth.
 
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One is not born again because one is a Christian. One is a Christian be cause one has been born again. On is not a Christian without the new birth.
this is not biblical imho - Nicodemus was addressed as a non Christian - wincam
 

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this is not biblical imho - Nicodemus was addressed as a non Christian - wincam
Yes and in order to become part of the kingdom of God, he had to be born again. "Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;" 1Pet. 1:22-23.
 
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this is not biblical imho - Nicodemus was addressed as a non Christian - wincam
Nicodemus did not understand these things. Jesus was explaining to him what being born again means.

John 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

That response, in and of itself shows that being born again is involved with the foreshadows in the OT.

John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
 
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Yes and in order to become part of the kingdom of God, he had to be born again. "Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;" 1Pet. 1:22-23.
what has this quote to do with the point at issue that Jesus said to Nicodemus "you must be born again as a Christian via Christian baptism" - wincam
 
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I am not sure I understand what the OP is saying, are you saying it is heresy to believe you must be born again to be christian?
 

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what has this quote to do with the point at issue that Jesus said to Nicodemus "you must be born again as a Christian via Christian baptism" - wincam
Paul describes the new birth process in Rom. 6 if this is what you are asking. This is how one becomes a Christian.
 

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it is again and again taught,thought and accepted that Jesus said and the Bible says that Christians must be born again - wincam
So if it is not necessary for Christians to be born again then who is to be born again?

Will this be a new heretical view or just a rehash of an age old goodie?

The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.

For the cause of Christ
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Paul describes the new birth process in Rom. 6 if this is what you are asking. This is how one becomes a Christian.
exactly but what Paul is saying is what I am saying that one becomes a Christian via Christian baptism and once a Christian does not need to be born again as a Christian - wincam
 

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exactly but what Paul is saying is what I am saying that one becomes a Christian via Christian baptism and once a Christian does not need to be born again as a Christian - wincam
Paul describes becoming a Christian is a birth process in which the old man is put off and a new man is created. This is new birth.
 
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So if it is not necessary for Christians to be born again then who is to be born again?

Will this be a new heretical view or just a rehash of an age old goodie?

The fields are white unto harvest but the laborers are few.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
the answer is obvious and was given by Christ = Nicodemus and other non christians must be born again as Christians - wincam
 

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TO WINCAM: This may help............what is your definition of Christian baptism?
 
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Ye Must be born again.... by the Spirit... this the Work of God thru the Paraclete... NOW today many have their own 'ideas' on what being born again is..... they have it in formula, or an equation, or a piece of doctrine set aside with some added rules and regulations to it to make it 'pure'.. some using a religious action'...but its Not... Those who are Genuinely Saved by Him.. that Will or Process was ORIGINATED in Heaven and brought to Pass as Christ 'seeks His Lost Sheep'.. indeed... this is God seeking His Own Lost sheep.. the 'new birth' or being regenerated from on High is not a man made process.. but man makes it his own business when fueled by the 'other sower' the devil.. oh yes.. and he is very active today because he is allowed to go forth to produce that Harlot of Rev 17.... it has a purpose.. to fulfill the Word of God... do ye understand that 'carnal man' has taken the Scriptures and tried to interpret them 'spiritually' without even being Truly regenerated from on High.. thus all the confusion and divisions.. is God the Author of that? no.. then ponder on that who is causing all these divsions and chaos and confusion. mmmm purdy simple to see... Those God Calls.. He KNOWS them before they even know Him.. He calls them, draws them, saves them(regeneration) , Justifies them, Makes them His Righteousness, Empowers them, and Glorifies them.. this DONE by the Sovereign and Predeterminate Counsel and Will of God.. carnal man has his own 'church' persay.. his own way of doing things.. carnally taking the Word of God and using it to justify himself in the 'name of the lord'. lolz.. so very evident today.. Those who are Truly Regenerated from On High. will 'know' their Redeemer.. not based on man made theologies or man made proselytization as they seek to move their recruits into their 'cut up jesus'. they hold out and profess.. Being Born again from above is the placement of the True Seed, the Living Word, thru the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete into the person He is Redeeming.. God comes to Live with them.. thru the Spirit of Truth.. the Pure Seed, True Seed, the Word of God, Jesus the Christ, those unregenerated are still apart of that corruptible 'seed' which came thru the birth of their father's seed.. at conception.... God takes and Changes that corruptible into incorruptible thru Christ, the Pure Seed.... this the Work of God , the merits and Foundation grounded in Him.. not man.. ye must be born again! After He found and Saved me in 1994.. many of those around me were 'scared'.. they didnt understand what happened, many blasphemed the Work of God In my life, 'we dont know about those born again 'freaks' ... lolz.. Its Real. alot of counterfeits out there today.. oh yes.. If your Ordained to Know Him.. He will find you, save You , Regenerate You... no way around it.. God is GREATER than man and his religious ways.. His Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven... Indeed!
 

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Paul describes becoming a Christian is a birth process in which the old man is put off and a new man is created. This is new birth.
What concerns me is that this OP is very similar to the "begotten of God" thread just earlier. Approached from a different angle, but the same subject matter, and presented in the same style of "one line" statements. Just saying
 
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Paul describes becoming a Christian is a birth process in which the old man is put off and a new man is created. This is new birth.
exactly but as with Jesus and Nicodemus - Paul is addressing non Christians - wincam
 

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exactly but as with Jesus and Nicodemus - Paul is addressing non Christians - wincam
Hey..............why don't we share some

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and then get into the discussion of this?
 

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what has this quote to do with the point at issue that Jesus said to Nicodemus "you must be born again as a Christian via Christian baptism" - wincam
Do you believe water baptism make guaranty make you born again?
 
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Do you believe water baptism make guaranty make you born again?
the answer is no because you only have half the requirement and have missed the most important requirement - wincam