Laying on of hands

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Femalelamb

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God healing my severed spine at three years of agony. He still heals! I believe if we would all get into the original language and learn some of the interpretation that leaves out just enough to cause confusion we would find out we were wrong about many things. A good way to start is to add biblegateway to your list of tools... Use the Complete Jewish Bible. When you come across words or even names look them up by Google... For example... Say you want to find out what kadash means. Google "kadash hebrew Greek mening bible". Then research many different sites. Take notes even. I'm amazed at what God is saying Through this in my life. I learned that when we are not in unity or submitting to authorities God placed in our life that we become religious prostitutes. Scary right? We could be seemingly doing good and all the while a wickedness before our Holy Mighty God. Read Isaiah 50. It is a warning to not be doing religious activities outside the guidance of what God instructs, or says, or is guiding through His Holy Spirit... But the good news is... When we are in unity with our spouse, the true Body of Christ (not a denomination, or building or set of rules) but in one with each other in Him then we are breathing the Holy breath of Heaven. So I'm just saying as a whole we all need to do some soul searching nd repenting and then God will show us when and how to lay hands and all of the things we are gifted to do but only by Him and through Him and in Him and for Him... Selah (which means pause and calmly think of that).
 
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I so enjoyed going thru my bible and reading up on this thread! I was abosutely amazed for it has been awhile for me.! so I thank you for starters on this. I was reading scriptures in Matthew Mark and Luke . My Two Favorites was the Lady whom touched Jesus Garment and Jarius For his daughter. They had similar thought even before approaching Jesus. Believing in him Having the Faith in Him. The woman was saying If i may touch his Garment I shall Be healed . Jesus Reply Your FAITH has made you well. As well as going to Jairus's Ruler of the synagogue Jesus Says Do not be afraid , only BELIEVE! The Girls is not dead, but sleeping . Having those whom believed He took the girl by the hand and said to her ,"Talitha cumi," which means , Little Girl ,I say to you Arise. Immediately the girl arose and walked . The Power of God and With The Holy Spirit was with Jesus. The Laying of the hands Has God Power but Also with Faith and believing with all your heart In our living God and His Son Jesus Christ. I hope you see what im also trying to say . i was so excited and trying to find the right words . Jesus Knew !
 
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p_rehbein said:
Actually, THREE.........receiving the Holy Spirit.............see the Book of Acts :)
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4, if you count imparting a spiritual gift.

2 Tim 1.6
For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
 
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MarcR said:
We seem to often be in agreement:rolleyes:
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Seems... Yes, there about 6 or 8 people I am often in agreement with... about 6 or 8 I am almost never attune with... and about 4 that I bounce back and forth with..... and 3 or 4 I feel are very special, and I sometimes want to hug them.

A full list naming each will follow......... just keep looking for it. (don't call me, I'll call you) Yeah, right!
 
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A young woman in the Lutheran church we have been visiting had her confirmation today. The Pastor, when the elders went to pray over her, said that they would be laying their hands on her. He explained that they had not done so for a long time, but that he now recognized that there was power in it. As he turned to pray over her, he said again 'I don't know why there is power in it but there is'.

So, my friends, I ask you... why is there power in the laying on of hands during prayer?
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I'm curious as to why Paul had to leave Trophimus in Miletum sick (2Tim.4:20b) if physical healing was still valid. why didn't he just lay hands on him and heal him?

A careful reading of Acts and the Pauline epistles shows that by the close of the apostolic generation (the one immediately following the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus) the signs were already on the way out. Paul Timothy and Trophimus were all sick and could not get healed.

The signs, wonders and miracles God gave to Moses continued during the ministry of Joshua. Then at the close of his generation and the death of Moses they ceased.

For nearly five hundred years there were no men empowered to work signs, wonders and miracles. They were under the law given at Mount Sinai.

Not until Elijah came did the signs, wonders and miracle return, and when he was taken into heaven in the chariot of fire the power to work signs, wonders and miracles was passed on to Elisha. At the close of his generation past the beginning of the era known as the prophets, the signs, wonders and miracles ceased.

For nearly nine hundred years of Hebrew history the Bible tells of no man in an situation who was given the power to work sings.

Then Jesus came with signs, wonders and miracle and I think the same thing happened that after the Lord made it possible for the apostolic signs gifts at the end of one generation after Jesus they ceased.

I believe people can be healed through the power of prayer but I don't think the laying on of hands is valid any longer.
 
RickyZ

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Awesome responses, all. Many of you reviewed when we are to lay on hands, always a good review. I relearned a few things I had forgotten, thank you! But the intent was not on when but why, or what the physical act actually accomplishes. A couple of you touched on what I think are the answers. That is, that the laying on of hands is

1. an act of obedience

2. an act of faith

And we know from the many repeated verses in Matthew (http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/6714-power-faith.html) how much weight an act of faith can bring to bear in working miracles. It moves mountains indeed!

Someone else mentioned the physical contact. Even without the Spiritual gifts a gentle caring touch does convey healing and relief. How so even more with the Spirit flowing thru it!

Paul is an interesting story. I often wonder if he was never healed because no one ever had the guts - I mean faith - to walk up and put their hand on him. You can't lay hands on your self... would you have the guts - 'scuse me FAITH - to walk up and lay hands on a celebrity?

Signs and wonders never fade. People's faith does. Jesus very clearly says the lack of miracles is due to a lack of faith. He remains the same. Always.

Have faith and use those hands!
 
p_rehbein

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RickyZ said:
Awesome responses, all. Many of you reviewed when we are to lay on hands, always a good review. I relearned a few things I had forgotten, thank you! But the intent was not on when but why, or what the physical act actually accomplishes. A couple of you touched on what I think are the answers. That is, that the laying on of hands is

1. an act of obedience

2. an act of faith

And we know from the many repeated verses in Matthew (http://christianchat.com/blogs/rickyz/6714-power-faith.html) how much weight an act of faith can bring to bear in working miracles. It moves mountains indeed!

Someone else mentioned the physical contact. Even without the Spiritual gifts a gentle caring touch does convey healing and relief. How so even more with the Spirit flowing thru it!

Paul is an interesting story. I often wonder if he was never healed because no one ever had the guts - I mean faith - to walk up and put their hand on him. You can't lay hands on your self... would you have the guts - 'scuse me FAITH - to walk up and lay hands on a celebrity?

Signs and wonders never fade. People's faith does. Jesus very clearly says the lack of miracles is due to a lack of faith. He remains the same. Always.

Have faith and use those hands!
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If you are speaking of the Apostle praying concerning the thorn in his flesh, then Scripture states why this thorn was not removed. It was for the Glory of God. Had nothing to do with folks not having the courage to lay hands on him and pray over him.............and there isn't any reason to believe that thorn was an illness.
 
p_rehbein

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Joshua_Generation said:
4, if you count imparting a spiritual gift.

2 Tim 1.6
For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
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It is at the time of the receiving of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, that we are sanctified "prepared" for His service that the gift/gifts are bestowed upon us. Well, as I see it...........so, it's still 3. Now, having said that, the Holy Spirit can infuse us with His power, knowledge, whatever as many times as He chooses............can He not?
 
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I don't have time to read all the posts here, but I will say this: The laying on of hands in the Bible was done by believers when Christ walked among them. And they were able to do so BECAUSE He walked among them and they were operating under the authority of His Name. After the resurrection it was done ONLY by those filled with/baptized in the Holy Spirit. None of the apostles were sent out to minister until this had happened. (Acts 2). In the OT, the laying on of hands was done to 'transfer'....to pass on a ministry, a title, a position.
The empowering of the Holy Spirit for the purpose of ministry is STILL done with the laying on of hands....although ALL things are possible with God and and He has empowered others in answer to requests of Him to do so in prayer.
Hope this helps.
Maggie
 
Chica

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p_rehbein said:
If you are speaking of the Apostle praying concerning the thorn in his flesh, then Scripture states why this thorn was not removed. It was for the Glory of God. Had nothing to do with folks not having the courage to lay hands on him and pray over him.............and there isn't any reason to believe that thorn was an illness.
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OK ok, I'll take Paul off the list. :)
 
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By His stripes we are healed. He still heals. He is still sovereign. I know. I was in excruciating unrelenting pain for three years. Now, I am alive and I am free after many prayed but when they laid hands more than once I was healed. No argument can deny my testimony. God bless those who deny or doubt you are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow!
 
RickyZ

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I ran into Pastor today and told him I had put this up for discussion, and that we had concluded for the most part that the laying on of hands worked because it was an act of obedience and act of faith. He agreed that it was both, especially an act of obedience, that we are told to do so and that we need to obey those teachings. Then he said there were a lot of things we as a congregation were being disobedient about and that we were going to have to change that. This from a sorta-catholic Lutheran minister :)

God's Spirit is indeed pouring out on His people as we approach these last days!
 
MarcR

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p_rehbein said:
Actually, THREE.........receiving the Holy Spirit.............see the Book of Acts :)
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Only if you believe that receiving Salvation and receiving the Holy Spirit are separate events.

I believe that that might have been possible before Pentecost; but not since.
 
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