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I understand what you are saying, but having been in school recently, I can tell you that is not the best way to teach love.....
What do you believe are some ways to communicate love?
Can't you communicate love through actions too?

how about say boarding school - does familiarity breed contempt and absence make the heart grow fonder - wincam
 
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cmarieh

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I believe socialization is important, but it is not the most important part of school. School is about learning and gaining the skills necessary for these life experiences. Socialization does not have to be in a school setting. I have seen problems with the socializing in schools...If Christian parents rely on schools to teach socialization, there will be problems.
I disagree with you. Yes, education is the forefront, but I believe more and more kids go home and sit in front of the tv and watch and play video games without socializing with other children their age. So I do believe that this generation of kids are one of the most socially deprived in history to date. Like Jason stated earlier they need to be encouraged to get involved with music, sports, clubs, and many other things that force them to interact with each other. When I was in school I was bullied and pushed around, struggled with classes, and only had a couple friends. I kept to myself and my parents had me part of a couple ministry teams at a church we were attending and when I started the fifth grade I began playing flute in band. It forced me to get to know my own strengths and weaknesses.

Back in the day, many homes didn't have a television set and instead the kids had responsibilities that required them to work both inside and outside of the home and when the child got old enough many parents forced them to get a part time job. As a result of being brought up this way they were forced to communicate with others because they had to. Now, there are many jobs and even get a degree that you can get in front of your computer in your pajamas not requiring human contact. I find this really sad because God created us to "Go Forth and Make Disciples" and how can we do that if we are not talking to anybody. So I feel education and socialization are equally important in this and future generations.
 
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I understand what you are saying, but having been in school recently, I can tell you that is not the best way to teach love.....
What do you believe are some ways to communicate love?
Can't you communicate love through actions too?
I am not saying public school is the answer. I am merely saying that one should research the best school or option so that their child is around other children who are known for being friendly. Yes, this may not always be feasible when it comes to school. Hence, why I suggest that a child join some type of youth group activity. As for loving in word and actions: Both are just as equally important as a believer. It is not so much one or the other that we can ignore. One needs to love others by deeds by preaching the gospel. Yet they also have to love in deed and not mere words as the apostle James points out, too. Otherwise it is not real love. You can't have one without the other. Both are equally important.
 
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It sounds like you are saying that going to school makes kids more social? I know plenty of social homeschoolers.....I went to school and you could classify me as shy, withdrawn, or anti-social....I was bullied horribly and the teachers really didn't care. There are good and bad points to both types of schooling.
Some kids are naturals when it comes to riding a bike. But does riding a bike make one better at riding a bike? Yes, of course it does. If a parent deprives their child of being around other kids at a young age, then their child is missing golden opportunities to develope their social skills like they should be doing in those fundamental years. They need to learn acceptance and rejection at a young age in dealing with other children. It's important if they want to grow and learn normally. In other words, it would be like hanging out on island by yourself for 20 years. When you see another human, you are going to like freak out. See what I am saying?
 

kodiak

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I disagree with you. Yes, education is the forefront, but I believe more and more kids go home and sit in front of the tv and watch and play video games without socializing with other children their age. So I do believe that this generation of kids are one of the most socially deprived in history to date. Like Jason stated earlier they need to be encouraged to get involved with music, sports, clubs, and many other things that force them to interact with each other. When I was in school I was bullied and pushed around, struggled with classes, and only had a couple friends. I kept to myself and my parents had me part of a couple ministry teams at a church we were attending and when I started the fifth grade I began playing flute in band. It forced me to get to know my own strengths and weaknesses.

Back in the day, many homes didn't have a television set and instead the kids had responsibilities that required them to work both inside and outside of the home and when the child got old enough many parents forced them to get a part time job. As a result of being brought up this way they were forced to communicate with others because they had to. Now, there are many jobs and even get a degree that you can get in front of your computer in your pajamas not requiring human contact. I find this really sad because God created us to "Go Forth and Make Disciples" and how can we do that if we are not talking to anybody. So I feel education and socialization are equally important in this and future generations.
I am not saying public school is the answer. I am merely saying that one should research the best school or option so that their child is around other children who are known for being friendly. Yes, this may not always be feasible when it comes to school. Hence, why I suggest that a child join some type of youth group activity. As for loving in word and actions: Both are just as equally important as a believer. It is not so much one or the other that we can ignore. One needs to love others by deeds by preaching the gospel. Yet they also have to love in deed and not mere words as the apostle James points out, too. Otherwise it is not real love. You can't have one without the other. Both are equally important.
Some kids are naturals when it comes to riding a bike. But does riding a bike make one better at riding a bike? Yes, of course it does. If a parent deprives their child of being around other kids at a young age, then their child is missing golden opportunities to develope their social skills like they should be doing in those fundamental years. They need to learn acceptance and rejection at a young age in dealing with other children. It's important if they want to grow and learn normally. In other words, it would be like hanging out on island by yourself for 20 years. When you see another human, you are going to like freak out. See what I am saying?
I think I have been misunderstood. I agree that socialization is extremely important. I just don't think that is the most important reason behind sending them to school. You are arguing that socialization is important, I am arguing that sending them to public school just for socialization is wrong. There are plenty of other opportunities to socialize. I have personally seen kids sent to schools for the purpose of socializing....that has its own problems too. I have personally seen socializing at a school go so wrong that a kid brought a gun and another brought a knife to school. When did I say to not talk to anybody? I am saying parents can teach socialization better if it is separate from the normal education system. I dont think socialization is the problem, I think the problem is sending kids to school for only the purpose of socialization..... Education and socialization can be equal, but they can be taught separately too......
 
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JesusIsAll

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Some places socioeconomically alright, where the schools are in good repair, it's not talking in class or chewing gum the problems, it's the likes of drugs, gangs and weapons, in as low as the elementary schools, a lot of playground violence, etc. People are yanking their children out in droves, to a safer environment. All is not well in America.
 

kodiak

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My church life as a child...four times a week taught me plenty of love and communication skill. School was lots of evil hearts...many picking on mentally challenged children. It was sickening to see!
Our school Superintendent didn't care! We were just another number...that's all I know.
This is the reason I am not a fan of socialization in schools.....I have personally seen Christians fall into peer pressure and wanting to be liked, so they join in on the picking on certain kids. If one went against the crowd, they were thrown into the mix of getting bullied. It created group think and many kids fell to peer pressure and fear....I honestly think that Parents have the responsibility to teach socialization so the kids will learn to go against the crowd and stand up for what is right.....being thrown into this as the way to learn socialization and not having any skills is like throwing a kid who can't swim to the ocean....
 
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JesusIsAll

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This is the reason I am not a fan of socialization in schools.....I have personally seen Christians fall into peer pressure and wanting to be liked, so they join in on the picking on certain kids. If one went against the crowd, they were thrown into the mix of getting bullied. It created group think and many kids fell to peer pressure and fear....I honestly think that Parents have the responsibility to teach socialization so the kids will learn to go against the crowd and stand up for what is right.....being thrown into this as the way to learn socialization and not having any skills is like throwing a kid who can't swim to the ocean....
It has become really brutal, some of you probably noticing it's getting national attention, cases of a child suicide over bullying. If there's anything that can be done about it, putting a child in an environment of torment is child abuse. Children should be allowed to be children, and not subjected to terror and other traumas that can scar for life.
 
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I think I have been misunderstood. I agree that socialization is extremely important. I just don't think that is the most important reason behind sending them to school. You are arguing that socialization is important, I am arguing that sending them to public school just for socialization is wrong. There are plenty of other opportunities to socialize. I have personally seen kids sent to schools for the purpose of socializing....that has its own problems too. I have personally seen socializing at a school go so wrong that a kid brought a gun and another brought a knife to school. When did I say to not talk to anybody? I am saying parents can teach socialization better if it is separate from the normal education system. I dont think socialization is the problem, I think the problem is sending kids to school for only the purpose of socialization..... Education and socialization can be equal, but they can be taught separately too......
Your child is instilled values by the parents. So if they are socializing with those who are going to do violence, there has to be something wrong with the child in some way in order for them to carry out violence like that. I am not for sending a kid to school just to socialize. Actually, I see public schools as a last resort (if the parents do not have the time or the money themselves to home school them properly). The problem I experienced is that kids who are homeschooled in not being around other kids is that they can come off anti social, unresponsive, and strange in behavior in some cases. That's what I was getting at. I was not saying public school is even a good choice for a child. I just believe it is important that a child is around other kids in some way in their younger years.
 

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Your child is instilled values by the parents. So if they are socializing with those who are going to do violence, there has to be something wrong with the child in some way in order for them to carry out violence like that. I am not for sending a kid to school just to socialize. Actually, I see public schools as a last resort (if the parents do not have the time or the money themselves to home school them properly). The problem I experienced is that kids who are homeschooled in not being around other kids is that they can come off anti social, unresponsive, and strange in behavior in some cases. That's what I was getting at. I was not saying public school is even a good choice for a child. I just believe it is important that a child is around other kids in some way in their younger years.
I don't think the problem is with the kid who does these violent actions. The problem is in the socialization problems that go with schools. The reason behind both instances was the fact that socialization in the school failed....You can't tell me bullying is normal socialization that every kid needs to learn. Peer pressure and group think run rampant at school....
They can come off as antisocial, but so can kids that go to school....I have seen both....It depends on the parents in homeschooling. I think we agree on most points.
I want to apologize for misreading your original post.
Please take a look at this website though, there is a lot of good logic in this that pertains to how socialization in schools works....