Christian Bakers Fined $125,000
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Hold on, you people are saying that a business has the right to refuse anyone they want to. what's the difference if one business refuses a black person and another business refuses a gay person
are you people that messed up, that you will rationalize not serving gay people over not serving a black person. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
are you people that messed up, that you will rationalize not serving gay people over not serving a black person. ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
My turn to be honest with you as you were with me. you are a sick little boy, caught up in some kind of cult group, who dishonours the woman who gave birth to him and whom God says to honor as one of his commandments.
No where does it say, honor thy father and mother, only if they are saved.
And now you are spewing what Gods' intentions are towards your mother. oh my, everyone better get an extra power surge bar before the lightning strike takes out all our computers.
whatever group you are caught up in, get away from them now, go home and give your mother a hug and ask for forgiveness from her and from our lord.
God bless
No where does it say, honor thy father and mother, only if they are saved.
And now you are spewing what Gods' intentions are towards your mother. oh my, everyone better get an extra power surge bar before the lightning strike takes out all our computers.
whatever group you are caught up in, get away from them now, go home and give your mother a hug and ask for forgiveness from her and from our lord.
God bless
Because choosing to embrace homosexuality is a choice and a sin, the refusal was based on the fact that the cake was for a gay wedding, baking the cake would have been a sign of approval of that sin and thus a sin itself.
Just like the baker probably would not bake a cake for a heterosexual couple's open swingers party.
The issue here is the sin.
Romans 1:32 -- ''Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.''
Just like the baker probably would not bake a cake for a heterosexual couple's open swingers party.
The issue here is the sin.
Romans 1:32 -- ''Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.''
There have been several threads about these kinds of stories. Can't you people understand the issue here? It's not a matter of whether a Christian couple would serve a gay person, it's a matter of a Christian couple refusing to serve a gay couple for their "gay marriage."
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I am a musician (vocalist). If a gay couple asks me to sing at their dinner party, no problem! I'll sing and present my bill. However, if they ask me to sing at their "wedding" (which, let's face it, is NOT a wedding in God's eyes) I will NOT do it. Not because I hate gays, but because it dishonors God.
This is not discrimination, it is my God-given (and Constitutionally-given) right to freely express my religion. Constitutionally, I cannot be coerced into something that goes against my faith.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I am a musician (vocalist). If a gay couple asks me to sing at their dinner party, no problem! I'll sing and present my bill. However, if they ask me to sing at their "wedding" (which, let's face it, is NOT a wedding in God's eyes) I will NOT do it. Not because I hate gays, but because it dishonors God.
This is not discrimination, it is my God-given (and Constitutionally-given) right to freely express my religion. Constitutionally, I cannot be coerced into something that goes against my faith.
nice try in avoidance of the hypocritcality of the statement i replied to. the post in which you liked. and what is wrong with the term lifestyle, i don't get it. is Christianity not a lifestyle.
so can you or anyone quote me scripture that says that gay marriage dishonors God, but the gay lifestyle does not dishonor God.
because santuzza says he would sing at a gay couples dinner party, but not a gay couples wedding because that would dishonor God. and you liked this post.
So what is wrong with y'all, either you are against gays in all ways or you are not. It is most hypocritical to say religious beliefs ok you to sing at a gay dinner but not a gay wedding. There is no gray area unless you are hypocritical and we all know the Lord despises hypocrites.
so can you or anyone quote me scripture that says that gay marriage dishonors God, but the gay lifestyle does not dishonor God.
because santuzza says he would sing at a gay couples dinner party, but not a gay couples wedding because that would dishonor God. and you liked this post.
So what is wrong with y'all, either you are against gays in all ways or you are not. It is most hypocritical to say religious beliefs ok you to sing at a gay dinner but not a gay wedding. There is no gray area unless you are hypocritical and we all know the Lord despises hypocrites.
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Colossians 4:61599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
6 [a]Let your speech be [b]gracious always, and powdered with [c]salt, that ye may know how to answer every man.
Footnotes:
6 [a]Let your speech be [b]gracious always, and powdered with [c]salt, that ye may know how to answer every man.
Footnotes:
- Colossians 4:6 Our speech and talk must be applied to the profit of the hearers.
- Colossians 4:6 Framed to the profit of your neighbor.
ok, a gay marriage is a sin, does that mean a gay couple not married is a sin or not a sin. because if it is a sin, then any business who will not cater to a gay marriage based on religious beliefs, should not serve any gay person based on the same beliefs.
if one doesn't hold steady to their beliefs in full, then that is where it becomes discrimination in the flesh law and hypocrisy in the lords eyes.
I would respect (don't have to agree or disagree) any business or person who based on their christian beliefs said, i will not serve a gay person whatsoever, and put a sign in there window, and never associated with any gay person or even talked to them based on their religious beliefs.
in this aspect it should be all or nothing. anything else is hypocritical in gods eyess
if one doesn't hold steady to their beliefs in full, then that is where it becomes discrimination in the flesh law and hypocrisy in the lords eyes.
I would respect (don't have to agree or disagree) any business or person who based on their christian beliefs said, i will not serve a gay person whatsoever, and put a sign in there window, and never associated with any gay person or even talked to them based on their religious beliefs.
in this aspect it should be all or nothing. anything else is hypocritical in gods eyess
Of course the homosexual lifestyle is dishonoring to God, but in singing for their dinner party, I am not dishonoring God as that is a SECULAR event (as long as they don't ask me to sing music that is in conflict with my faith). A marriage is a SACRED event, and, therefore, I would sin and dishonor God by singing at it. I'm not sinning and dishonoring God by singing at their party. The homosexual couple in question is in constant sin, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't serve them at a secular event -- THAT would be discrimination. This is about MY faith -- not theirs (or lack thereof). They are dishonoring God no matter what I do.
I see no hypocrisy in this whatsoever.
I see no hypocrisy in this whatsoever.
Truth is not established on the principle of public opinion. Truth is rooted in the reality of God and it does not change simply because society believes it to be archaic and offensive. Revealed moral principles are not contingent upon societal norms nor are they subordinate to situational ethics. [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The people of God must be dedicated to the proposition that the Word of God relativizes all knowledge as found in socialization. The Word of God reveals the inherent short comings of human intelligence by comparing it to what God has revealed to us of his own intelligence. The Word of God must be allowed to relativize what society thinks. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As long as we allow human knowledge to assume an elevated position in our thinking it will always dominate over the Word of God. God will not force His knowledge upon us but He does render forced consequences for the mind that rejects his wisdom in favor of socially engenered ethics. As this relates to the issue of gay marriage Christians can neither recognize its legitimacy nor are we permitted to give it any measure of dignity regardless of what laws are passed. [/FONT]