Daniel 12:4
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"But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." (KJV)
I think the to and fro refers to airplanes and how fast we can get to any point on the globe now. The knowledge being increased to me means the internet. It was THE information explosion... nothing else will ever compare to it. The net put about 80% of the world's knowledge at our fingertips.
The sealed book is interesting... some think it is the Book of Life, opened in Revelation, but there are some other theories on what it is, like the Bible code for example. I'm still not sure on that one.
I think the to and fro refers to airplanes and how fast we can get to any point on the globe now. The knowledge being increased to me means the internet. It was THE information explosion... nothing else will ever compare to it. The net put about 80% of the world's knowledge at our fingertips.
The sealed book is interesting... some think it is the Book of Life, opened in Revelation, but there are some other theories on what it is, like the Bible code for example. I'm still not sure on that one.
J
I believe that the verse simply means prophecies in Daniel would not be understood until the "time of the end". Daniel 12:8-9 clear that up.
12:8 and I heard but I understood not. then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
12:8 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Daniel did not understand the vision he had been given, but he was told that the words were closed and sealed until the time of the end. What was given in verse 4 "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" was a description of the time of the end. Running to and fro would seem to imply the busyness of our lives (going from place to place). Think of all the knowledge that has been gained in the past 200, 100, or even 10 years as compared to the rest of earths history. I believe that we are living in that time, and that the book has been opened.
12:8 and I heard but I understood not. then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
12:8 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Daniel did not understand the vision he had been given, but he was told that the words were closed and sealed until the time of the end. What was given in verse 4 "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" was a description of the time of the end. Running to and fro would seem to imply the busyness of our lives (going from place to place). Think of all the knowledge that has been gained in the past 200, 100, or even 10 years as compared to the rest of earths history. I believe that we are living in that time, and that the book has been opened.
I feel depressed
as Christians, is it normal during these trying times to lose that zest for living? All I do lately is search for info via the net, my bible, it is really hard to pry myself from the computer just to get stuff done. I was able to fold some laundry, but then I am right back on! lol I have school Mon-thru Thursday, but today class is cancelled, poor me. I have a softball game on Thursday, thank God, but I mean, all I do is read all this info. This verse speaks to me, I am going to and for on the net.
as Christians, is it normal during these trying times to lose that zest for living? All I do lately is search for info via the net, my bible, it is really hard to pry myself from the computer just to get stuff done. I was able to fold some laundry, but then I am right back on! lol I have school Mon-thru Thursday, but today class is cancelled, poor me. I have a softball game on Thursday, thank God, but I mean, all I do is read all this info. This verse speaks to me, I am going to and for on the net.
S
From the time Daniel receive and recorded his prophetic book and the time until it was fulfilled was going to be awhile. Daniel spoke of the 4 world empires: Babylonia and Medo/Persian were during his time. The Greek and Roman were yet to come. The Messiah came, as predicted, during the days of the kings of the Roman Empire. That spans a long period. Interestingly, John is told not seal up his prophecy because it was to soon take place and shortly come to pass. Strange how the time from from Revelation to today is about 4 times longer than Daniels time frame, but people want to say that Revelation is about what is still in our future. The fact is, it was written for Christian in the first century about what they were and soon would be going through.
M
You are part right but mostly wrong. "for the time is at hand" refers to the prophecy of the book. God consistently reveals things far into the future from the earliest of times. Usually from the beginning of something. "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done," (isaiah 46:10). So your comment, though believed my many, is incorrect. Revelation was written in 96 A.D. This was the "beginning of the 2000 year Christian era or "the last days". Many doubt "last days" because they've been going on for some time. This is a fundamental ignorance of scripture. "that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (II Pet. 3:8) God's time for man is 6000 years with a 1000 year millenial reign. It is based on the 7 day week with six days to work and the 1000 year millenial reign as the "sabbath day rest" at the end. This was common knowledge to the ancient Jews lost to us in our persecution of them. It was even common for hundreds of years to the early reformers as most Bibles published Bishop Usshers dating of the Bible from the 17th century. "The last days" therefore are the last 3 days of the week properly quoted from Joel by Peter on the day of Pentecost (Shavout). To tell people that Revelation is no longer applicable is very dangerous and quiet ignorant. "Write the things which thou hast seen, (past) and the things which are (present or 1st century church), and the things which shall be herafter (future)" Rev 1:19.
This is what Yeshua-Jesus told John. For God to preserve a book of prophecy of things that have already happened is not only inconsistent with the way he did it before but makes no sense whatsoever. There are more Christians now then ever before in history (2 billion) by far. They need guidance. The majority of the prophecies in the Bible are yet to be fulfilled. Most of them reference "the day of the Lord' which is obviously the sabbath day previously mentioned. Just the fact that God hid his word in Latin for 1100 of the 2000 years (Jerome-Latin vulgate 405 A.d. - 1500's language of the common man) shows that he was preserving this revelation for a last day generation. Please quote Daniel correctly, "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:" (Dan. 12:4). This revelation would not be available until the end. This only makes sense for man would corrupt it if known earlier. That is why such confusion reigns today (Babel means confusion).
This is what Yeshua-Jesus told John. For God to preserve a book of prophecy of things that have already happened is not only inconsistent with the way he did it before but makes no sense whatsoever. There are more Christians now then ever before in history (2 billion) by far. They need guidance. The majority of the prophecies in the Bible are yet to be fulfilled. Most of them reference "the day of the Lord' which is obviously the sabbath day previously mentioned. Just the fact that God hid his word in Latin for 1100 of the 2000 years (Jerome-Latin vulgate 405 A.d. - 1500's language of the common man) shows that he was preserving this revelation for a last day generation. Please quote Daniel correctly, "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end:" (Dan. 12:4). This revelation would not be available until the end. This only makes sense for man would corrupt it if known earlier. That is why such confusion reigns today (Babel means confusion).
I feel depressed as Christians, is it normal during these trying times to lose that zest for living? All I do lately is search for info via the net, my bible, it is really hard to pry myself from the computer just to get stuff done. I was able to fold some laundry, but then I am right back on! lol I have school Mon-thru Thursday, but today class is cancelled, poor me. I have a softball game on Thursday, thank God, but I mean, all I do is read all this info. This verse speaks to me, I am going to and for on the net.
as Christians, is it normal during these trying times to lose that zest for living? All I do lately is search for info via the net, my bible, it is really hard to pry myself from the computer just to get stuff done. I was able to fold some laundry, but then I am right back on! lol I have school Mon-thru Thursday, but today class is cancelled, poor me. I have a softball game on Thursday, thank God, but I mean, all I do is read all this info. This verse speaks to me, I am going to and for on the net.
God bless.
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S
Every prophecy of the OT was fulfilled when Christ lived, died, buried, raised, ascended and established his church. Matthew 24 was fulfilled at the fall of Jerusalem. Revelation was about the fall of Rome (Domition in particular) with the exception of the last couple of chapters which are about the resurrection and judgment.
Revelation was more likely written in the 70s or 80s. The book itself tells us that it was written during the days of the 6th head/emperor (Vespasian), ch. 17.
The original audience would have gotten next to nothing out of this book if it is about events over 2k years later. Daniel's prophecies came to pass in about 500 years.
By the way the phrase "last days" is a reference to the end of Judaism and the fall of Jerusalem. The quote from Joel 2 in Acts 2 tells us that the last days were essentially from the Day of Pentecost (AD 30) signified by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and would extend to the fall of Jerusalem (AD 70) signified by the apocalyptic language used of the fall of nation all through the OT (that great and notable day of the Lord). This was the same type of language used by Jesus in Mt. 24
Revelation was more likely written in the 70s or 80s. The book itself tells us that it was written during the days of the 6th head/emperor (Vespasian), ch. 17.
The original audience would have gotten next to nothing out of this book if it is about events over 2k years later. Daniel's prophecies came to pass in about 500 years.
By the way the phrase "last days" is a reference to the end of Judaism and the fall of Jerusalem. The quote from Joel 2 in Acts 2 tells us that the last days were essentially from the Day of Pentecost (AD 30) signified by the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and would extend to the fall of Jerusalem (AD 70) signified by the apocalyptic language used of the fall of nation all through the OT (that great and notable day of the Lord). This was the same type of language used by Jesus in Mt. 24
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Slepsog4, Man are you in for a rude awakening. I guess 1948 doesn't mean anything or the scores of prophecies concerning the Jews returning to the land? Brother you have been brainwashed. There really is now way to help you. That is so ignorant its beyond belief. Please do not teach. That will only increase the judgement on you. The end of Revelation clearly says that the plagues in the book will come on those who change the prophecy. You are changing God's word. The overwhelming amount of scholars in this world disagree with you. Maybe you should humble yourself and listen to some for the alternative is very dangerous.
actually it could be argued that 1948 was not a fulfillment of prophecy,only a partial fulfillment if at all. Two main reasons:
Not all the land that God gave to Israel was restored to them and they still don't have it today. I believe a partial restoration of Israel's land does not count as a fulfillment of prophecy.
Israel has not had peace on its borders since 1948. I believe that's a condition of the prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled as well.
Not all the land that God gave to Israel was restored to them and they still don't have it today. I believe a partial restoration of Israel's land does not count as a fulfillment of prophecy.
Israel has not had peace on its borders since 1948. I believe that's a condition of the prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled as well.
M
There is no scripture in the Bible that says they will rebuild the temple. With the muslims controlling the temple mount and over 1 billion muslims in the world it is impossible. Of course Christians will say that God is the God of the impossible. Sometimes God has something impossible for a reason. In this case, its impossible so those with eyes will run from the prophecy teachers (most) saying it has to be rebuilt. You would have to tear down the dome of the rock one of the most cherished muslim shrines. It is over the top of mount Moriah where the Holy place once stood. The miracle of 1948 was the most important fulfilment of biblical prophecy beginning the count and showing the world God's clock has begun. Before you comment on things you should know a little of what your talking about. Concerning prophecy you have no idea. I would love to try and inform you but with such foolish comments its beyond belief. Read the Old Testament and the overwhelming amount of prophecies made specifically to the Jews including eternal covenants. All of Israel will be saved, Romans 11
S
There will be no rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem (at least not that has anything with God's doing). God fully and finally judge the NATION of Israel in AD 70 when Jerusalem fell and the Temple was destroyed.
What happened in 1948 was the theft of a nation by overzealous officials who were gullible enough to believe the premillenial hype.
What happened in 1948 was the theft of a nation by overzealous officials who were gullible enough to believe the premillenial hype.
M
You deserve the judgement soon coming your way. "Theft of a nation" that was always theirs? I quess they should have stayed in the concentration camps. What a compassionate guy you are. Where did you want them to go? Nobody wanted them including us. Jews are not premillenial. They don't even believe their Messiah is here yet. Your posts are ridiculous.
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