Rich and Famous Pastors

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So its okay to live a rich lifestyle while others go starving ???
Did you not read what I wrote about their outreach ministries? Where is your ministry feeding people? Do you just look down on others from a perch? Should they cease and desist while you feed the world?
 
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I live in a house that was made back before indoor plumbing was available, and my dad was the one who ran the plumbing in this house as the bathroom was once a closest to one of the bedrooms. The water comes from a well and there is central air or heat ducts in this house. It has a wood burning furnace and a electric wall heater that my dad also installed, in which my dad had to run the electricity in it to.

If God was to bless me with a lot of money I would continue to live in this house and use the majority of that money for helping others. I would not upgrade to a better house as this one is fine, for there is no need to have big expensive things that are worthless and can not be taken with you in heaven. These things will be burned up in the future !!!
 
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Let's see...... Rich preacher feeds 300,000 worldwide (no matter WHAT % that happens to be of his/her intake.)

One of us feeds 125 IF our church gets behind us... if not, maybe five people.

Who does more? You do the math.
 
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Did you not read what I wrote about their outreach ministries? Where is your ministry feeding people? Do you just look down on others from a perch? Should they cease and desist while you feed the world?

I already answered you on that in post #51........
 

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The point is that you don't know all they do with their money! I know some of these men. They don't even take a salary from one single church they have built. Some of them give away 50% or more of their income and still have an abundance!

God is a God of more than enough.
Did Jesus just provide enough fish for Peter to barely get by?
When feeding the multitudes, was there just enough for all to have one bite, or were they all filled with 12 baskets left over?
Does Heaven have wooden gates, because that would be good enough?
Have you ever looked at how lavish the old temple was?

Anyone who doesn't get over their attitude that rich automatically means sinful is going to have a real hard time when they get to Heaven and see just how extravagant God really is.
i love ya to death. Notice the story you used. Jesus didn't take up an offering from the masses.What the Duce is wrong with Him! He could have made a fair piece of change off these poor slobs. After all, He needed the money for His ministry!
Preachers today need to council Him on how He is stopping the blessings from flowing to the folks by not telling them that they need to give money first before God can bless them!
Where am I going wrong here?

Also. No one is saying that rich is sinful. It's how they got their riches by distorting the word of God to bilk the masses, including the poor. Freely they have received and exorbitantly they charge!

Oh, and Willie, you are a real stand up guy. God bless you bro.!
 
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KennethC

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Let's see...... Rich preacher feeds 300,000 worldwide (no matter WHAT % that happens to be of his/her intake.)

One of us feeds 125 IF our church gets behind us... if not, maybe five people.

Who does more? You do the math.

You are comparing apples to oranges here.

Remember what the Lord said about the woman and the rich when tithing in Mark 12:41-44 ???

The rich put in their money, but the woman who had little because of poverty gave everything she had out of love.

Lord Jesus said she gave more then those rich people gave showing it does not matter how many you feed compared to others, it matters where your heart is into doing it.

For the same would be said about us if all we had was $20 dollars and we used all of it to feed a couple others, while a rich man had $20,000 but only used $5,000 to feed others. Then the Lord would say we have given and done more to !!!
 
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shotgunner

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Look don't get me wrong as I don't mind people listening to them on TV as long as they realize what they say aligns with bible or not.

If you know and test what they say with the word of God so you know when they are correct and when they are not then that is good. But to sit back and think everything these people teach or do is proper is not correct, as I have seen some falsehoods taught by them and I have mentioned a few that they have said.

This goes with money as well because if they bring in say $80,000 that month but only give $5,000 to the needy that does not show the signs of a cheerful giver. It should be the other way around keep enough just to live on and give the majority to the needy.

I see to many empty buildings that could easily be turned into homeless shelters for these needy people, instead I see to many still under bridges, living in tents by the river, and starving. Then on top of that I see some churches who turn these people away from assistance just because another church helped them a little. Plain crazy !!!

Like for example talk to somebody who has needed assistance and have tried to go to the Salvation Army and Catholic charities both. You will find out that if they got help from the one the other will not help them !!!
Kenneth, I think you have a good heart but you also need to closely examine your thinking on this subject. Didn't Judas likewise criticize when the oil was used to anoint Jesus instead of being sold and given to the poor? What did Jesus say? Why didn't Abraham give all his wealth to poor hungry families? Why didn't Joseph as high magistrate just give grain away, instead of using it to make Pharaoh rich?

Could it possibly be that God prospers because he knows what's in men's hearts, he knows that with great wealth, they will also do great good? A man must look at what he is doing now ,with what he has, to see what he will really do with an abundance.

A man can't say," if God made me that wealthy, I would give the majority of it away", unless he is giving away the majority of what he has now. That man says in his heart," I would give but I need all I have now." I tell you that it is that man who truly is serving mammon, for what is his source, what is his supply, what is his God? That man trusts, and relies on his small supply, to provide for his means. If he truly trusted God as his supply, he could give out of his necessity rather than out of his abundance.
 
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I was just watching some of Joyce this very morning, and thinking" "How very special and important she is to millions of people."

If she was poor and unknown, maybe a hundred people in the entire world would ever hear of the amazing things God has done in her life... and know that He will do the same for them.

It staggers me that so many people don't think God could easily just blink these people off the air if He didn't want them to be there. We give the devil so much credit and power, while thinking God is just helpless, and has to put up with something He doesn't want.
She is a special lady.
God bless you Willie
 
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KennethC

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Starting to think you just don't like rich people. I like rich people lol!
Then you are not reading what I said as I said earlier it is not wrong to have money, but it is how you came about getting that money and what you do with it.

Do you really think God would be satisfied with a rich person feeding a few people every month just so they can get a tax break off it, or because they feel obligated, or they think it will get them something for doing this ???

God said He loves a cheerful giver, and that is one who gives expecting nothing in return and also says that giving should not be done out of obligation.
 

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i love ya to death. Notice the story you used. Jesus didn't take up an offering from the masses.What the Duce is wrong with Him! He could have made a fair piece of change off these poor slobs. After all, He needed the money for His ministry!
Preachers today need to council Him on how He is stopping the blessings from flowing to the folks by not telling them that they need to give money first before God can bless them!
Where am I going wrong here?

Also. No one is saying that rich is sinful. It's how they got their riches by distorting the word of God to bilk the masses, including the poor. Freely they have received and exorbitantly they charge!

Oh, and Willie, you are a real stand up guy. God bless you bro.!

Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

PS. Yet - I am jealous :)))
 
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popeye

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Never liked jakes or creflo.

But ya know,the devil got the name"accuser of the brethren" for doing what some say is preaching the gospel
 

Patnubay

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But are they even preaching the Gospel of Christ?
I, too, have doubts. No longer preachers of the Word but motivational speakers. BUT they do spread the Gospel by quoting the Bible in their preachings and book writings. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God, not their sermon. Does it count?
 
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I am worried that I am starting to feel contempt towards these rich and famous pastors of our time ( Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Jakes, Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer and others.

These are my reasons:

1. I feel they are taking advantage of the people trying to find God.
2. I find their lifestyle of mansions, jets and luxury thru income source using the word "God" disgusting.
3. I notice that they have turned into motivational speakers and no longer deliverers of the "Word" of God.

however, I have to acknowledge that

1. Thru them as instruments, people are finding God
2. Thru them as instruments, people are inspired to serve God
3. Thru them as instruments, people are hearing the Word of God.

I'd like to know your opinion..

So leave then alone as Christ said. whats that to you.
 

Patnubay

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I have no problem with anyone who serves God being rich or famous. Should they all be poor and unknown? And in today's media-frenzied world, having widespread acclaim should not be enough to make someone suspicious.

If you're not into them, don't listen to them, it's that easy.
True, but they preach everyday about love and compassion. If they practice what they preach, do you think they can afford to buy jets and mansions. Half of the world is starving. And remember, those money they have, came from using the word "God" as a trading item. If they were Bill Gates or Ophrah, fine.
 

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One of the hallmarks of such teachers is that they say something and then pause for the audience to repeat that portion. Then say something else and ask the audience to repeat again. And so forth and so on. It's almost like (or maybe even is) an incantation of some sort.

Last time I checked, not Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul or any of the other apostles treated their audiences as if they were in a motivational seminar.
 
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KennethC

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Kenneth, I think you have a good heart but you also need to closely examine your thinking on this subject. Didn't Judas likewise criticize when the oil was used to anoint Jesus instead of being sold and given to the poor? What did Jesus say? Why didn't Abraham give all his wealth to poor hungry families? Why didn't Joseph as high magistrate just give grain away, instead of using it to make Pharaoh rich?

Could it possibly be that God prospers because he knows what's in men's hearts, he knows that with great wealth, they will also do great good? A man must look at what he is doing now ,with what he has, to see what he will really do with an abundance.

A man can't say," if God made me that wealthy, I would give the majority of it away", unless he is giving away the majority of what he has now. That man says in his heart," I would give but I need all I have now." I tell you that it is that man who truly is serving mammon, for what is his source, what is his supply, what is his God? That man trusts, and relies on his small supply, to provide for his means. If he truly trusted God as his supply, he could give out of his necessity rather than out of his abundance.

Well you are on the right track a little because I do always do for others and not worry about what myself has.
I trust in God that He will provide it for me when I need it, therefore I do not worry about what I have or don't have.

If a worry starts to arise about having something it is always about having to provide for others, but I know God will take care of those things.

You do realize there is a command in the OT Mosaic laws that 10% of crops were to be left and given to the poor ???

Lord Jesus said do not build up treasures and possessions in this world because they can not be taken with you, the only treasure we are to build up for is in heaven. How do we do this?

By giving the majority of what God has allowed us to have to help others in need, nowhere does the bible say you can keep the majority to yourself. Even when the rich man came to Jesus asking what He needed to do , and stated that he has kept the commandments since his youth, Jesus then told him to go sell everything that he had and give it to the poor.

How many of this rich preachers if told to sell everything they had and give it to the poor would actually do it ????
 

Patnubay

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I am completely against these so-called Health and Wealth preachers, or Word of Faith.

They are not preaching the gospel. They lie about Jesus, about how we will become little gods, and we need to appropriate our rights as children of the king.

They twist Scriptures to imply OUR words have power, when in fact it is God's words that have power. They have usurped the power and authority of Jesus Christ.

You are right to be uneasy about these charlatans. They have no god but money, and they get it by lying to people. Telling them they will be rich if they send in seed money (find that in the Bible!) and you will be healthy, if you just have faith and confess it.

God is the one we need to focus on, and serving him and growing to maturity. I pray people will not be sidetracked from that purpose, if they get caught listening to the lies these false preachers have been telling!
But we hear testimonies everywhere of people who repented and found God thru these people. How do we account for that. Are they donkeys being used by God or the devil has sipped in into their ministry?
 
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KennethC

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But we hear testimonies everywhere of people who repented and found God thru these people. How do we account for that. Are they donkeys being used by God or the devil has sipped in into their ministry?
All it takes is a little implanting of the seed to draw one to God.

God then gives the increase to those who continue in the faith of Jesus Christ.
What we must ask is if these rich preachers are giving the truth in the word or if they have been corrupted by money and now teaching apostasy/false teaching. Saying things like if you have faith enough or if you give enough you will be rich are false teachings.

Plus I have watched a number of them on TV, some have been good but some have had some bad teachings in their sermons.
The issue that I see and am trying to point out is to get some of these people who believe everything they say is truth to realize in some cases it is not.

I for one like listening to Perry Stone and I have been seen defending not to place the title of false teacher on all TV preachers, but when it comes to money how they got it and what they do with it from there does determine if they are doing properly by that money.