Rich and Famous Pastors

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Patnubay

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Thanks, Willie-T... I just recorded Joyce Meyer and am going to go watch her in a bit. I love her preaching. I know she's not everyone's cup of tea, but I really get a lot out of her lessons.

(Author of this post enjoys Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen, and Charles Stanley. Each for different reasons, and each has strengths and weaknesses as ministers. They are only human, but I find that this particular human benefits greatly from their teachings.):cool:
How do you reconcile the teachings you hear from them to the lifestyle they have when you know that the world needs another Bill Gates to feed the hungry? I surely will benefit from your system.
 

Patnubay

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According to the Word of God it shows that God does not respect people, and He does not have respect some in the body being rich while others are struggling to survive and get by.

They are living a sinful lie in their riches they are using to edify themselves while leaving tons of others to suffer.
True. Major point.
 

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Let's see...... Rich preacher feeds 300,000 worldwide (no matter WHAT % that happens to be of his/her intake.)

One of us feeds 125 IF our church gets behind us... if not, maybe five people.

Who does more? You do the math.
Im of the notion that God doesn't need our money more than He needs us to walk and live according to his mandates. He, I believe, accomplishes for more through our obedience than through our bank accounts.

Here, the ends do not justify the means!
 

Patnubay

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Yet you want that same money given to you so you can make your films. And if you did a good job, and got to be known, people would then be taking shots at you. LOL
I truly do not think this kind of comment is necessary. I just can not see the purpose nor the meaning.
 
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All it takes is a little implanting of the seed to draw one to God.

God then gives the increase to those who continue in the faith of Jesus Christ.
What we must ask is if these rich preachers are giving the truth in the word or if they have been corrupted by money and now teaching apostasy/false teaching. Saying things like if you have faith enough or if you give enough you will be rich are false teachings.

Plus I have watched a number of them on TV, some have been good but some have had some bad teachings in their sermons.
The issue that I see and am trying to point out is to get some of these people who believe everything they say is truth to realize in some cases it is not.

I for one like listening to Perry Stone and I have been seen defending not to place the title of false teacher on all TV preachers, but when it comes to money how they got it and what they do with it from there does determine if they are doing properly by that money.
Yet, you have your group that you listen to, do you not? Of course you do... none of us can honestly say otherwise. And you go right along with the things they say, do you not? How is it that only THEY preach truth, while those who understand God differently are "false" teachers?
 

notuptome

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How did the pope get omitted from the list?

God uses the small and insignificant to forward the kingdom. Gods strength is perfected in our weakness. His word accomplishes what He wills.

In the end times men and women will come and teach what the folks want to hear to make them feel good. Teachers having itching ears. God will supply the strong delusion to make these appear to be of God. They are of the god of this world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Patnubay

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Most of the ones you mentioned, I like. I won't say I agree with everything. No man is infallible except Jesus. Do not however criticize them for having wealth. There are plenty of bible examples of men that God made extremely wealthy. You don't know their hearts or their motivations. You only see the outward man.

Most of the time when someone criticizes someone else for what they have, as if it is ungodly, it's because they don't have something just as good. If God gave them that house they would find a way to justify it as a wonderful blessing from God.
You presented a good argument on the wealth. But the issue is the source of the wealth i.e. how they got hold of such wealth and the preaching they do which "in my opinion" they do not practice. As I said, how can you preach God, Love and Compassion when you live a very extraordinary luxurious life while your little brothers die in hunger?
 
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Im of the notion that God doesn't need our money more than He needs us to walk and live according to his mandates. He, I believe, accomplishes for more through our obedience than through our bank accounts.

Here, the ends do not justify the means!
But, hasn't your hue and cry here for at least a year, been all about not giving money $$$$$$$ to churches? Seems you are more concerned about money than most people here.
 

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But we hear testimonies everywhere of people who repented and found God thru these people. How do we account for that. Are they donkeys being used by God or the devil has sipped in into their ministry?
That's why I'm glad I got saved at my kitchen table. No Christians for miles to muck it up.

If teaching falsehood is the devil slipping in then...yep...that's what it are!

People can get saved in somewhat to be desired ministries. It's not man pulling this off. It's the Holy Spirit working in spite of the 'church' corruption!
 

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Jenizona, did you know that Osteen says there are many ways to heaven?
 
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Jenizona, did you know that Osteen says there are many ways to heaven?
Doesn't exactly sound like that is what he said.

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How did the pope get omitted from the list?

God uses the small and insignificant to forward the kingdom. Gods strength is perfected in our weakness. His word accomplishes what He wills.

In the end times men and women will come and teach what the folks want to hear to make them feel good. Teachers having itching ears. God will supply the strong delusion to make these appear to be of God. They are of the god of this world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Probably because this isn't a Catholic hate thread
 
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shotgunner

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You presented a good argument on the wealth. But the issue is the source of the wealth i.e. how they got hold of such wealth and the preaching they do which "in my opinion" they do not practice. As I said, how can you preach God, Love and Compassion when you live a very extraordinary luxurious life while your little brothers die in hunger?
Of coarse we should give to the poor. What I'm saying is that from what I've seen they do. I even have some personal information about some of these that are being accused. They give large amounts away all the time.

It's just dangerous to judge from outward appearances only. I thought only God could judge the heart of man. I certainly don't want God to be as critical of me and what I give as some are being here.
 
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oldthennew

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COME ONE, COME ALL,

GET YOUR PRAYER CLOTHS AND YOUR HOLY WATER, FROM US, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ANNOINTING -
and not THOSE OTHER GUYS, well, I MEAN THOSE WHO AREN'T IN THE CLUB,,,,

never mind what PAUL says, 'WE ARE NOT AS THOSE WHO PEDDLE THE WORD OF GOD'......
 

Jenizona

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How do you reconcile the teachings you hear from them to the lifestyle they have when you know that the world needs another Bill Gates to feed the hungry? I surely will benefit from your system.
I gotta be honest ,I don't know any of them personally, so I really can't comment on their lifestyle. This thread has a lot of very vague assumptions about people's personal wealth, but as far as I know, no one has seen their tax statements, or a statement of how much they themselves (the preachers) give charitably.

And if, for example, I did have their personal earning's statements in front of me, could see their charitable giving (or lack thereof), and the entire financial statement of their ministry, as well as images of all these "mansions" they are supposedly living in, do you know what my response would be? Probably, "Praise God, that's awesome!" It's between Him and them, and I really don't begrudge anyone their success! I guess that's the big difference between me and a few of you that are posting. I have no problem whatsoever with these folks being wealthy, if they truly are. We need more people like them (My ideal vocation would be to be a wealthy missionary!)!

Furthermore, the assertion (which I've read more than once in this thread) is that these people should somehow be feeding the hungry or solving the problems of poverty, single-handed. I know Joyce Meyer's ministries do a great deal of good with the impoverished around the world, but this doesn't seem to satisfy you. I'm not sure that anything WOULD satisfy folks who think this way, since the thought process seems to be something like, "As long as there is one hungry person in the world, no preacher should make a profit!" This is ludicrous, and a fallacy of logic. Not to mention, logistically impossible.

I really didn't think it was worth mentioning, but since it keeps coming up, I'm going to point it out. To me, it seems to show a lack of understanding about how the world works, and how ministry works. So there you have it! :cool:
 
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oldthennew

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ATTENTION::::

we all have to be able and willing to DISCERN between (((((CIRCUS)))) and *GOSPEL*....

it's kind of scary when we are led to acknowledge and confirm that 'a liar believes a liar'......
 
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shotgunner

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I'm in a covenant relationship to a large TV ministry that if I mentioned the name many would criticize. I give money into that ministry often. I get free teaching materials from them all the time. They provide free bibles for jail ministry. When we had tornados locally, that ministry helped provide truck loads of food and supplies to help.

Yes, they make a lot of money but let me say this. I don't think anyone should criticize a single dollar until they themselves exceed the amount of good that is being done. God teaches us to first get the lumber out of our eyes before we are concerned about another's splinter.
 

KohenMatt

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There is a difference between wealth obtained through deceit, and wealth because of God's blessing through ministering in His Name.

We should be careful to distinguish between the 2 before lumping all wealthy ministers into 1 category.