Rich and Famous Pastors
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K
Once again it comes down to the not having money is not wrong, but what one does with the money does !!!
If a person uses the majority of the money on self and not others that is greed and selfishness.
I am glad to see the mention of the camel going through the eye of a needle from Mark 10:25;
The entry ways were low and narrow and in order to get a fully loaded camel through these entrances they would have to completely unpack them, make them lay down, and try and push them through the opening.
It was a hard and time consuming difficult task, yet Lord Jesus said a rich man getting into heaven would be even more difficult.
K
Yes some others may judge ladylynn on her $80 dollar shoes, but once again it comes down to this, she said her shoes are for comfort at work. Well one has to work to support their family and comfort/health is a needed to do a job right.
However one does not need to live in a 10 million dollar home to support their family, that is excess !!!
However one does not need to live in a 10 million dollar home to support their family, that is excess !!!
S
Once again it comes down to the not having money is not wrong, but what one does with the money does !!!
If a person uses the majority of the money on self and not others that is greed and selfishness.
I am glad to see the mention of the camel going through the eye of a needle from Mark 10:25;
The entry ways were low and narrow and in order to get a fully loaded camel through these entrances they would have to completely unpack them, make them lay down, and try and push them through the opening.
It was a hard and time consuming difficult task, yet Lord Jesus said a rich man getting into heaven would be even more difficult.
If a person uses the majority of the money on self and not others that is greed and selfishness.
I am glad to see the mention of the camel going through the eye of a needle from Mark 10:25;
The entry ways were low and narrow and in order to get a fully loaded camel through these entrances they would have to completely unpack them, make them lay down, and try and push them through the opening.
It was a hard and time consuming difficult task, yet Lord Jesus said a rich man getting into heaven would be even more difficult.
These were men familiar with God's covenant which provided prosperity. No poverty mentality with them.
You can't know if a 10 million dollar house is a greedy thing or not. The amount has nothing to do with the heart. To one man, a hundred thousand is a choking point. To another, 10 million is the same to him as a hundred thousand to the other.
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K
Once again I am not basing just solely on the cost of his house, but does he really need that big and costly of a house to live comfortably? No he does not !!!
We are called to serve others not be served, and we are to use the Lord's example to go by.
Jesus family line was a rich lineage as Joseph came from the line of King David which had riches, but Jesus left all that to serve others. He could of ruled through the standing and riches that His family line came from, but instead He showed we are to humble ourselves and separate from the rest of the world.
Yes God does bless some with riches but He does it for the purpose for them to edify and serve others better, not for personal selfish wants and greed.
Once again we can not place carnal thinking that men have toward money over what the Lord's standard is.
A person who has only $50 dollars and gives all $50 to feed others compared to a person who has $10,000 and only uses $2,000 to feed others, according to the Lord the one with $50 dollars did more.
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PHIL.4:11.
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Abraham not only took the upmost care of his family with all of his riches, but it appears that he also
took great care of strangers.....
this must we do also, whether we are rich or poor.....
as it is written,
we must not be a respecter of persons......
Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Abraham not only took the upmost care of his family with all of his riches, but it appears that he also
took great care of strangers.....
this must we do also, whether we are rich or poor.....
as it is written,
we must not be a respecter of persons......
K
It is even sadder to think that all people who believe in the Lord will be rich, or to make statements such as I have seen from some of these preachers that those who have more belief in Him are the one's with more money.
That is so badly and false teaching as even the Lord Jesus called the poor blessed;
Luke 6:20
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Being rich does not mean one has more faith or more blessed by God, and yes I know that blessing are contained in the covenant but that does not mean all believers will receive the same blessings for they are given as God see's fit. Just like the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given as God's will see's fit, not all believers will receive the same gifts.
Like I said I do not see wealth as evil for what I said is what one does with that wealth makes it wrong or right, and thus determines if they are living sinfully or rightfully by the word of God.
We are called as overseers of the flock to reprove, rebuke, and exhort others in the faith by the word of God !!!
That is so badly and false teaching as even the Lord Jesus called the poor blessed;
Luke 6:20
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
Being rich does not mean one has more faith or more blessed by God, and yes I know that blessing are contained in the covenant but that does not mean all believers will receive the same blessings for they are given as God see's fit. Just like the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given as God's will see's fit, not all believers will receive the same gifts.
Like I said I do not see wealth as evil for what I said is what one does with that wealth makes it wrong or right, and thus determines if they are living sinfully or rightfully by the word of God.
We are called as overseers of the flock to reprove, rebuke, and exhort others in the faith by the word of God !!!
K
Are you sure about that ???
Remember the rich man and Lazarus, how the rich man in his greed only did for himself and did not help poor starving Lazarus out. The rich man went to hell because of his greedy unloving and ungiving attitude, but Lazarus went to Abraham's bosom where he was protected and safe.
When the rich man asked Abraham for help what did Abraham tell him, he told the rich man he knew what he was to do and what to obey when he was alive. Because he refused to do so it was to late for him.
S
Luke 6:20
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
You do know Jesus isn't talking about money don't you? In Matthew 5:3 Jesus makes the same statement but Matthew says poor in spirit. Jesus is talking about the humble that cast themselves on God's grace. He isn't giving any special blessing to people without money.
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
You do know Jesus isn't talking about money don't you? In Matthew 5:3 Jesus makes the same statement but Matthew says poor in spirit. Jesus is talking about the humble that cast themselves on God's grace. He isn't giving any special blessing to people without money.
K
Actually He is speaking on the poor or those in poverty, because those people come to Him in need more then others.
He is saying in that way of those who are poor in spirit in Matthew 5:3 because those who have little and are struggling seek for help more then those who live comfortable well off lives. They who are in less financial well off situations knows more what it means to need help then others.
It is the responsibility of those that God blesses these finances to to help these other people in need, and says if they refuse them that help He will refuse them eternal life.
S
Yes, I agree that those in need might seek after God more but it's the humble part that matters, not whether or not they have money.
Still Kenneth through all this discussion there is no reason to think someone with a 10 million dollar house isn't doing a lot to bless those less fortunate. You simply can't judge a man by what he owns.
Still Kenneth through all this discussion there is no reason to think someone with a 10 million dollar house isn't doing a lot to bless those less fortunate. You simply can't judge a man by what he owns.
Well, I would send you one of the titles. (It's an easy book to get your feet wet because he writes so basically.) But, I am afraid you would focus too much on "how" my young friend writes, and not "what he says." Besides, he wants to redo that book.
At the present time he is rewriting that particular book. I am proofing it for him (slow work since he has mistakes or typos on almost every other page), and he has also spoken, at length, with other authors, so the second edition should be much shorter and more concise. I, personally, like the longer version that is now in print, but I am being voted down by the more experienced people.
But there are plenty of people out there now writing about things that, until recently, were considered "Sacred Cows" that few people were willing to rile the powers-that-be by daring to say there just might be more than the one established and accepted way to look at some of Scripture.
At the present time he is rewriting that particular book. I am proofing it for him (slow work since he has mistakes or typos on almost every other page), and he has also spoken, at length, with other authors, so the second edition should be much shorter and more concise. I, personally, like the longer version that is now in print, but I am being voted down by the more experienced people.
But there are plenty of people out there now writing about things that, until recently, were considered "Sacred Cows" that few people were willing to rile the powers-that-be by daring to say there just might be more than the one established and accepted way to look at some of Scripture.
K
Poor in spirit does not mean one who has humbled themselves, it means one who knows about suffering as they deal with it every day in struggles to make it in life.
I am not judging anybody which is a word that I have issues with because reproving and rebuking is not judging.
You tell me I can not tell where his heart is at but at the same time neither can you, which is why the word of God is what we must go with to tell if they are walking properly and doing right in the faith. If we just take and blindly follow people like this and accept what they say without testing it by the word of God then we are just as in trouble as they are if they teach false misleading things.
Osteen is an inspirational/health and wealth preacher, he is not a gospel preacher, and he also takes and refuses to call out others such as Oprah in her false new age religion but supports her instead.
Light and dark are not suppose to mingle !!!
I am not judging anybody which is a word that I have issues with because reproving and rebuking is not judging.
You tell me I can not tell where his heart is at but at the same time neither can you, which is why the word of God is what we must go with to tell if they are walking properly and doing right in the faith. If we just take and blindly follow people like this and accept what they say without testing it by the word of God then we are just as in trouble as they are if they teach false misleading things.
Osteen is an inspirational/health and wealth preacher, he is not a gospel preacher, and he also takes and refuses to call out others such as Oprah in her false new age religion but supports her instead.
Light and dark are not suppose to mingle !!!
K
i'm having a good laugh imagining what you do when you read verses like this --
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat,
I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink
(Matthew 25:35)
I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink
(Matthew 25:35)
Yeah and remember what the Lord said to the other group;
For I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; (Matthew 25:42)