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Altair-786

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i am frm Chechnya (i put syria cos altair :p) fam moved to uk like 10 years ago, my mom n dad r now separated last few year but i live with my dad n he muslim n my mom is christian..... idk if i fully believe in any religion i do think mayb there is god but idk bout heaven hell n religions about how u pray n stuff to god... like idk but i think it called agnostic? i do sumtim go masjid wid my dad but idk if im proper muslim tho i sumtime as identidy say am muslim but nowadays not sure... i dnt kno bout christians belief much but isnt it about jesus god n god is three diff ppls????? i come here cos of curioisty... my mom never told me much bout christian but i do rem celebrating christmas n stuff n went church wen i was like 9 or sumthin lol
 
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God is not 3 different people, Christ tells you in His own words, He and the Father are one.

God says in the Old Testament that He will stretch out His right hand, and that /HE/ will do valiantly. God refers to His right hand as a person, and that person is the Messiah.


If you want help understanding how Christ and God are one, imagine if I took my right arm, and sat it on the closest table to you. Id be here, in my chair writing to you. And Id also be there, in your living room, through my right arm :p


"His name will be called Emmanuel", that means "God, with us". "They will call Him wonderful, counselor, the Almighty God". The prophets of Israel understood what the Messiah will be, He would be God in the flesh, come to save man from their own evil doing.


Islam is /not/ of the God of Abraham, and it preaches an entirely different story. In fact, the whole reason we believe that Christ died on the cross, according to the tar-firs, is because allah made the man on the cross look like Christ. So the whole reason we believe in Christ, according to allah, is because allah deceived us into believing it was Christ. And allah calls it sinful for us to believe in Him. Does that really make any sense to you? I mean why would allah even do this to begin with? It served him no purpose, and apparently he is angry that we believe in Christ, even though its apparently his own doing. If Christ is coming not to save Israel, like He said he is, but to tell us He did not die for our sins, like allah says He is, then why did allah make this happen anyway? None of it would have had to have happened if it wasnt for allah doing this with no clear purpose at all, other than to prove he is "the greatest of deceivers", I guess? This is not a god we should be putting our faith into.
 
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Jesus is the truth. Without believing in him you will not make heaven. It is simple, he died for our sins, but we must seek the truth for ourselves. Ask the Lord to reveal the truth to you. He will ...seek his face.


Mathew 7
7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.…
 
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Altair-786 said:
i am frm Chechnya (i put syria cos altair :p) fam moved to uk like 10 years ago, my mom n dad r now separated last few year but i live with my dad n he muslim n my mom is christian..... idk if i fully believe in any religion i do think mayb there is god but idk bout heaven hell n religions about how u pray n stuff to god... like idk but i think it called agnostic? i do sumtim go masjid wid my dad but idk if im proper muslim tho i sumtime as identidy say am muslim but nowadays not sure... i dnt kno bout christians belief much but isnt it about jesus god n god is three diff ppls????? i come here cos of curioisty... my mom never told me much bout christian but i do rem celebrating christmas n stuff n went church wen i was like 9 or sumthin lol
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God is love.
The Father sent His Son to die for your sins and to rise from the dead conquering sin, satan and death.
Call upon Jesus to save you and HE will.
 
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Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him
 
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Altair-786 said:
i am frm Chechnya (i put syria cos altair :p) fam moved to uk like 10 years ago, my mom n dad r now separated last few year but i live with my dad n he muslim n my mom is christian..... idk if i fully believe in any religion i do think mayb there is god but idk bout heaven hell n religions about how u pray n stuff to god... like idk but i think it called agnostic? i do sumtim go masjid wid my dad but idk if im proper muslim tho i sumtime as identidy say am muslim but nowadays not sure... i dnt kno bout christians belief much but isnt it about jesus god n god is three diff ppls????? i come here cos of curioisty... my mom never told me much bout christian but i do rem celebrating christmas n stuff n went church wen i was like 9 or sumthin lol
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Christianity and the Bible teaches that there is one Almighty God the Father, Jesus the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit. Three aspects, one God.

You are a man Altair, you speak words, are your words a separate person from you? No, but your words are one with you. So God is one God, and his Word is Jesus and they are one and the same. Jesus is the Word made flesh sent to bring salvation to man. Just love God and love your neighbor is the only commandments Jesus gave, and that is the essence of Christianity.

It's okay if you are unsure for now, you are very young. Most young people don't even ponder as far as you have on religion. Just keep loving and learning and you will do okay.
 
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Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.

He is the one true God, become flesh like a man, as the Son of the invisible God, in order to die and pay the cost of sin for mankind. He was raised up from the grave and returned to heaven, so that we also could be raised up in the same way & that mankind could have peace with God.
 
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Truth is something that is true, real whether we believe it to be true or not. Many religions you get gods that lose power or cease to exist because of how people believe.

Jesus though exists and is God always and isnt governed by what we believe, except only to grieve when we disrespect Him.

Real truth - is when no matter wot we believe we can do, the reality of something or someone will be right there in it.

A mystic may believe they can cross the road and not be harmed. Visualise themselves floating thru traffic. What happens when they actually cross? Wham! Hit by the truth!
 
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Have you ever read the Bible for yourself?
 
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"Before the Heavens and the Earth, there was the Word. And the Word was good."

John explains to us what the Word is, the word is the Messiah, who calls Himself one with God.

During the creation of man, God says "Let us create man in Our image, according to Our likeness"

Some people will say He was talking to the angels, but find me one verse in the bible where the angels created all things with God. God is the creator of all things, the angels are only creations. And the bible tells us the Messiah will be from old, from everlasting. God is the ONLY being who is everlasting. And the Hebrew word that God uses for Himself is Elohim, but thats the plural term for God. But God tells us Himself, He is one God. He does this because He is one, and is one with Christ and the Holy Spirit :3


AceMichaels said:
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Him
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And think about this verse, if Christ /was/ just another of allahs prophets, wouldnt calling Himself "THE way, THE truth, and THE life" be extremely blasphemous? Why do you think the Jews had Him put to death? Because He called Himself God. How can islam then claim He is just a prophet? The only way they can is to tell you that Christians have corrupted the bible, that weve changed it to fit our own beliefs. But Christ's words existed hundreds of years before Muhammads did. Do you really feel that its more logical that Christians have been trying to change the truth of Gods word, which He promised He would perserve forever? Or that a man came around with a different teaching that claimed "hey, guys. You all got it wrong, see? The entire torah and gospel, handed down for thousands of years, has been totally corrupted. But I, one single man, have in my hands here all of your mistakes, and am here to correct them all"? If you are living through the eyes of the spirit, and believe there are spirits guiding us in this world, can you see how a Christian could see this coming not from a spirit of God, but from a spirit we are warned is trying to deceive us, in order to destroy us?

Christ did warn us that many false prophets would follow Him, claiming to speak in His name, and would come to deceive us. And He warned us to keep true to His words, and to not follow these prophets.
 
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God is "three different people" the same way you can one day be a father, and still remain your fathers son, and the husband of a wife :)

best way to learn about God is to read the bible.

https://www.biblegateway.com/

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. [SUP]22 [/SUP]This righteousness is given through faith in[SUP][h][/SUP] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,[SUP]24 [/SUP]and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. [SUP]25[/SUP]God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[SUP][i][/SUP] through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— [SUP]26 [/SUP]he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, [SUP]30 [/SUP]since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
 
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oldhermit said:
Have you ever read the Bible for yourself?
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I would add that if you haven't, read it daily. If you can find a Christian to help you read it, that would be even better.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
God is not 3 different people, Christ tells you in His own words, He and the Father are one.

God says in the Old Testament that He will stretch out His right hand, and that /HE/ will do valiantly. God refers to His right hand as a person, and that person is the Messiah.



If you want help understanding how Christ and God are one, imagine if I took my right arm, and sat it on the closest table to you. Id be here, in my chair writing to you. And Id also be there, in your living room, through my right arm :p


"His name will be called Emmanuel", that means "God, with us". "They will call Him wonderful, counselor, the Almighty God". The prophets of Israel understood what the Messiah will be, He would be God in the flesh, come to save man from their own evil doing.


Islam is /not/ of the God of Abraham, and it preaches an entirely different story. In fact, the whole reason we believe that Christ died on the cross, according to the tar-firs, is because allah made the man on the cross look like Christ. So the whole reason we believe in Christ, according to allah, is because allah deceived us into believing it was Christ. And allah calls it sinful for us to believe in Him. Does that really make any sense to you? I mean why would allah even do this to begin with? It served him no purpose, and apparently he is angry that we believe in Christ, even though its apparently his own doing. If Christ is coming not to save Israel, like He said he is, but to tell us He did not die for our sins, like allah says He is, then why did allah make this happen anyway? None of it would have had to have happened if it wasnt for allah doing this with no clear purpose at all, other than to prove he is "the greatest of deceivers", I guess? This is not a god we should be putting our faith into.
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wow i didnt think bout it like that.. is that actually tru allah said guy on cross was sum1 else?
 
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crossnote said:
God is love.
The Father sent His Son to die for your sins and to rise from the dead conquering sin, satan and death.
Call upon Jesus to save you and HE will.
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wat u mean callupon jesus?
 
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posthuman said:
Truth is a person; His name is Jesus.

He is the one true God, become flesh like a man, as the Son of the invisible God, in order to die and pay the cost of sin for mankind. He was raised up from the grave and returned to heaven, so that we also could be raised up in the same way & that mankind could have peace with God.
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so u saying god took form of jesus? but apparently jesus prayed as well? so who jesus prayed 2???
 
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Altair-786 said:
so u saying god took form of jesus? but apparently jesus prayed as well? so who jesus prayed 2???
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He prayed to His father who resides in heaven. I highly recommend that you begin to read the Word of God. If you are sincere about finding the truth you will find the answers you seek in those pages.
 
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The main difference between Islam and Christianity is that Christians believe in a Savior. We are saved by grace through our faith in Jesus Christ. Muslims have no Savior, they must earn their way into eternal life. In fact, no other religion has a Savior, including Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. The beauty of Christianity is that our sins were atoned for by a loving God who is anxious to forgive all who believe in him. Christianity is also much more peaceful than Islam, as Christians believe that vengeance and judgement belong to God himself. Jesus taught to forgive others and not to condemn them, while Mohammad taught to make war with your enemies. I know your agnostic, but these are things to consider if your ever inclined to believe in anything. Allah is not a god that would ever appeal to me, even if I were born into the religion... jmo

 
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Altair-786 said:
no i dont like reading big books :/
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If you are looking for answers you must look where the answers can be found. I would recommend you read the gospel of John and then Acts. Simply begin here and see where this takes you.
 
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Altair-786 said:
no i dont like reading big books :/
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The Bible is a collection of books. Pick one like oldhermit suggested, The Gospel of John. That is a good place to start :)
 
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