Speaking in tounges

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Thebo55man

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I go to a pentacostal church that speaks in tounges. I also had the chance to speak in tounges before. But here's where it gets confusing.
In Acts the apostles spoke in other tounges. Its said that people from other countries heard them speaking in their own foreign language. How does the modern day speaking of tounges line up with the biblical speaking? Today's speaking of tounges doesn't sound like foreign languages.
Plus, some think its the language of angels. I'm just so confused. :/
And would it matter if you believed in speaking in tounges or not?
 

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I go to a pentacostal church that speaks in tounges. I also had the chance to speak in tounges before. But here's where it gets confusing.
In Acts the apostles spoke in other tounges. Its said that people from other countries heard them speaking in their own foreign language. How does the modern day speaking of tounges line up with the biblical speaking? Today's speaking of tounges doesn't sound like foreign languages.
Plus, some think its the language of angels. I'm just so confused. :/
And would it matter if you believed in speaking in tounges or not?
You might want to have a look at This short study, and This (number 8 in the list) longer one...

Yahweh Shalom
 

Dino246

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First, welcome to CC! And second, you have just jumped feet-first into a storm! :D

May I encourage you to Search (upper right of the page) through these forums... much has been said already on this subject, and there is, unfortunately, much disagreement.

Agreed, in Acts 2, the "tongues" were foreign languages. Yet this is not specified in every case in Acts, nor in 1 Corinthians 12-14.

Would it matter? Well, your salvation does not depend on it. If it did, Paul wouldn't state that not all gifts are given to all believers (1 Cor 12:29-30). I know many Christians who do not speak in tongues, and also many who do.
 

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does anyone interpret the tongues spoken in the church you go to?

does anyone speak in an actual human tongue, or is it always what they call 'angel tongues' -- so that any 'interpretation' could never be verified?

you're right to be skeptical, and to be looking at what the scriptures say, and comparing that with what's going on and what's taught in that church. if you find they are wrong, don't be afraid to speak up about it.
you're going to get various answers to your post here from people -- don't believe what they say either just because they say it -- check out whatever scriptures they put, read all the context, and think and pray on those things.

the gift of the Spirit should not lead anyone to confusion -- it should lead to understanding and peace.

& no -- whether you speak in tongues, or believe that the modern pentecostal movement is right about them or not, or believe that the people at your church in particular are really being moved by the Holy Spirit or something else -- those things don't 'matter' in as far as whether you have salvation or not. all that matters about salvation is that you believe in Jesus the Christ, the Son of God, that He came to earth & died for your sin, and rose again from the grave, then returned to heaven. if you believe this, and confess it, and trust Him -- tongues are nothing. they are only a sign for those who don't believe. you do not have to speak in tongues or believe that people still speak in tongues by the Spirit of God today.

whether your church is right or not -- how would i know? so i won't pretend to be able to answer.

may God grant you understanding, as you ask Him for it, brother :)
 
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shotgunner

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It's because there are divers(different) kinds of tongues. 1 Cor.12:28

The tongues you are hearing is an unknown tongue only for God, if no one is interpreting. 1 Cor.14:2

Sometimes Pentecostals get carried away and a bit out of order with their prayer language tongues. It's not usually a problem unless it causes confusion for new converts. That's basically what Paul was speaking against 1 Cor. 14, not tongues in general but their improper use.
 

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Biblical guidelines for tongues-

Clearest example of tongues without any interference of paganism that affected the Corinthian church..

(Act 2:4) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


(Act 2:5) And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.


(Act 2:6) Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.


(Act 2:7) And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?


(Act 2:8) And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

So first.. it is clear tongues were REAL LANGUAGES.

What church do you know that has done it like that? I know of none.

All I have seen is 'ecstatic utterances'.. which don't differ much from Hindu or other religions ecstatic utterances.

Next-- who were the tongues for?


1Co_14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Not for believers.. but non-believers..

Have you ever seen people speaking in tongues only for un-believers? I have never seen it. I have seen an entire congregation of claimed believers all speaking in tongues in once.. I have seen home groups with everyone who are claimed believers speaking at once. Oh and in both cases it was not languages.. it was nonsensical jibberish.. like other religions getting into heightened states.

Never seen it done as the bible has it.

Then more guidelines:

1Co_14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Need for an interpreter or interpreters!! I have never seen interpreters in a church that purports to follow speaking in tongues. As above.. all I saw is entire congregations or a whole home group of believers doing 'ecstatic utterances'

And more guidelines:

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

two, three? This is not what I saw! Entire home group or entire congregation!!!!!

One interpret? How about NONE interpreting.



So here is my beef.. that I put in another thread also...

So I believe tongues have done their dash.. fulfilled their purpose with the completion of the Bible (NOT when the councils decided it was complete.. but when God finished moving holy men of God to write His Word). But I also wish churches that believe in the sign gifts.. would actually abide by the biblical standards set in the likes of Corinthians and Acts!

At least then I could review whether it is the completed canon that caused it to cease.. because if it really manifests when the right boundaries from scripture are used.. then I would have to review.

But I have never seen them used as Paul admonished people! Not once.
 
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Does God want us to experience His Spirit with understanding?

Does God want us to understand what we say while in prayer?
When we pray in the Spirit, should we be able to understand the conversation?
Does God ever change His purpose, or ‘evolve’?
What should the gift of tongues be used for?
Do Spiritual gifts of tongues bridge the language barrier so all men might be able to understand the gospel of Christ’s salvation?
If a language cannot be understood in the body of Christ, what are the instructions of God?
Can anyone be built up or edified if there is no understanding?

God’s instructions through Paul are:
1.Tongues are a sign for unbelievers, not believers. ( I Corinthians 14:22 )
2.All gifts of the Spirit must be used to edify. ( I Corinthians 14:26 )
3.It must be understood. ( I Corinthians 14:8 and 15 )
4.It must not be confusing. ( I Corinthians 14:33 and 40 )
5.It must not be in vain ( Ecclesiastes 10:11 )
6.If a foreigner who couldn’t speak our language said something in church, not having the gift of tongues, another would be given the gift of interpretation so all could understand. ( I Corinthians 14:12 and 27 )
7.If none could interpret, they were to not say anything. ( I Corinthians 14:13 and 28 )


The gift of the Holy Spirit is through repentance, not the speaking of a different language. ( Acts 2:38 ) Tongues do NOT evidence the Baptism of the Spirit. It is ludicrous to think that everyone who is Spirit filled has to speak in foreign, or unknown languages. (I Corinthians 12:28-31). Please understand that in order to receive a Spiritual gift, you must already have the Spirit. The gift of faith can be used as a good example because it is not possible to receive faith without the Spirit. If we look back to our Spiritual adoption, we desired to be born into the family of God because we wanted to be justified by faith. If we desired this justification by faith without wanting the indwelling Spirit, we would not have received anything by grace. (I Corinthians 12:1-11) It is not possible to receive anything pertaining to spiritual gifts unless you have already invited Jesus into your heart. ( Revelation 3:20 ) The Spirit baptizes you when you invite Him in. There is only one born again experience, and there is only one baptism. ( Ephesians 4:5 ) They go hand in hand. If tongues were the only way to be baptized in the Spirit, all others that had “faith”, “healing”, “miracles”, “prophecy”, “discerning”, would have no chance of being raised from the dead. God help us! ( Romans 8:11 ) The doctrine that necessitates needing a prayer language or speaking in tongues in order to manifest the indwelling Holy Spirit is incorrect.
The reason so many people believe in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit by means of tongues is that we have a natural inclination toward the dramatic. I call this “grandstanding.” Satan’s goal is to draw as many people away from Christ and the truth as possible, so it would stand to reason that he would use a weakness of humanity as a tool to accomplish that goal. In II Corinthians 11:13-15 , we are warned of such deception. “ For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (There is a notation by the word ‘is’ which says “transformeth himself”.) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

The word “Mysteries” in I Corinthians 14:2 is from the Greek, “musterion” moos-tay-ree-on, which means, “to shut mouth”; a secret or mystery (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites, a mystery. The practicing of this gift, in the correct way, is still necessary sometimes. It is not obsolete.

There was once a girl who went to college and did not know God. She had taken Greek as one of her courses. The college professor instructed all that were in that class to give themselves a Greek name, in that all Greek names tell an attribute about oneself. The name she gave herself was “Anthos” meaning “flower”. During a hard time in her life, she had gone to church one Sunday, and during the service a man stood up and spoke in Greek. This girl understood, and the message straight from God came to her that said “flower I love you and want your heart”. Needless to say, she accepted Christ as her Savior.

Another story unfolds like this. A young man received a gift of tongues and was so excited about it, that he called his sister (who lived in Germany) knowing that she had a faith in God while in times past, he didn’t. He wanted to give her an example of this gift over the phone, and as he commenced, she screamed “STOP-STOP!” I can’t bear the awful things that you are saying about God! He was blaspheming God in the German tongue.
 
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sassylady

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There is a language that only God knows, and there are times when a person may have a message in tongues that is another language. I once heard about a person having a message in tongues and an unsaved person was in the congregation that spoke that language and the message was one that convinced them they needed the Lord, part of the reason being that is was a language very few people would ever speak.

It is the Holy Spirit that gives you the tongue, so it is a gift regardless of what language it is. But don't get so caught up in tongues that you are not concentrating on the One who gave it.
 
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Rudimental

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I go to a pentacostal church that speaks in tounges. I also had the chance to speak in tounges before. But here's where it gets confusing.
In Acts the apostles spoke in other tounges. Its said that people from other countries heard them speaking in their own foreign language. How does the modern day speaking of tounges line up with the biblical speaking? Today's speaking of tounges doesn't sound like foreign languages.
Plus, some think its the language of angels. I'm just so confused. :/
And would it matter if you believed in speaking in tounges or not?
Thats great! My first SIT experience was an emotional one and one I'll never forget.

I wrote about it here a while ago along with my views on it in a thread that is now 17 pages long!

You should check it out. :)

Speaking in tongue in Church is good if it brings people closer to God, it is a gift of the spirit, an utterance in words that only God can understand. Words that we simply could not say otherwise. But there should indeed always be someone there to interpret it too.

"Tonges and Interpretation" is what its called.

Speak in tongues every day as it edifies you!
 
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shotgunner

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Does God want us to experience His Spirit with understanding?

Does God want us to understand what we say while in prayer?
When we pray in the Spirit, should we be able to understand the conversation?
Does God ever change His purpose, or ‘evolve’?
What should the gift of tongues be used for?
Do Spiritual gifts of tongues bridge the language barrier so all men might be able to understand the gospel of Christ’s salvation?
If a language cannot be understood in the body of Christ, what are the instructions of God?
Can anyone be built up or edified if there is no understanding?

God’s instructions through Paul are:
1.Tongues are a sign for unbelievers, not believers. ( I Corinthians 14:22 )
2.All gifts of the Spirit must be used to edify. ( I Corinthians 14:26 )
3.It must be understood. ( I Corinthians 14:8 and 15 )
4.It must not be confusing. ( I Corinthians 14:33 and 40 )
5.It must not be in vain ( Ecclesiastes 10:11 )
6.If a foreigner who couldn’t speak our language said something in church, not having the gift of tongues, another would be given the gift of interpretation so all could understand. ( I Corinthians 14:12 and 27 )
7.If none could interpret, they were to not say anything. ( I Corinthians 14:13 and 28 )


The gift of the Holy Spirit is through repentance, not the speaking of a different language. ( Acts 2:38 ) Tongues do NOT evidence the Baptism of the Spirit. It is ludicrous to think that everyone who is Spirit filled has to speak in foreign, or unknown languages. (I Corinthians 12:28-31). Please understand that in order to receive a Spiritual gift, you must already have the Spirit. The gift of faith can be used as a good example because it is not possible to receive faith without the Spirit. If we look back to our Spiritual adoption, we desired to be born into the family of God because we wanted to be justified by faith. If we desired this justification by faith without wanting the indwelling Spirit, we would not have received anything by grace. (I Corinthians 12:1-11) It is not possible to receive anything pertaining to spiritual gifts unless you have already invited Jesus into your heart. ( Revelation 3:20 ) The Spirit baptizes you when you invite Him in. There is only one born again experience, and there is only one baptism. ( Ephesians 4:5 ) They go hand in hand. If tongues were the only way to be baptized in the Spirit, all others that had “faith”, “healing”, “miracles”, “prophecy”, “discerning”, would have no chance of being raised from the dead. God help us! ( Romans 8:11 ) The doctrine that necessitates needing a prayer language or speaking in tongues in order to manifest the indwelling Holy Spirit is incorrect.
The reason so many people believe in the manifestation of the Holy Spirit by means of tongues is that we have a natural inclination toward the dramatic. I call this “grandstanding.” Satan’s goal is to draw as many people away from Christ and the truth as possible, so it would stand to reason that he would use a weakness of humanity as a tool to accomplish that goal. In II Corinthians 11:13-15 , we are warned of such deception. “ For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (There is a notation by the word ‘is’ which says “transformeth himself”.) Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

The word “Mysteries” in I Corinthians 14:2 is from the Greek, “musterion” moos-tay-ree-on, which means, “to shut mouth”; a secret or mystery (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites, a mystery. The practicing of this gift, in the correct way, is still necessary sometimes. It is not obsolete.

There was once a girl who went to college and did not know God. She had taken Greek as one of her courses. The college professor instructed all that were in that class to give themselves a Greek name, in that all Greek names tell an attribute about oneself. The name she gave herself was “Anthos” meaning “flower”. During a hard time in her life, she had gone to church one Sunday, and during the service a man stood up and spoke in Greek. This girl understood, and the message straight from God came to her that said “flower I love you and want your heart”. Needless to say, she accepted Christ as her Savior.

Another story unfolds like this. A young man received a gift of tongues and was so excited about it, that he called his sister (who lived in Germany) knowing that she had a faith in God while in times past, he didn’t. He wanted to give her an example of this gift over the phone, and as he commenced, she screamed “STOP-STOP!” I can’t bear the awful things that you are saying about God! He was blaspheming God in the German tongue.
Clearly posted by someone who doesn't believe in tongues and is trying to twist every scripture to speak against tongues.
 
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I go to a pentacostal church that speaks in tounges. I also had the chance to speak in tounges before. But here's where it gets confusing.
In Acts the apostles spoke in other tounges. Its said that people from other countries heard them speaking in their own foreign language. How does the modern day speaking of tounges line up with the biblical speaking? Today's speaking of tounges doesn't sound like foreign languages.
Plus, some think its the language of angels. I'm just so confused. :/
And would it matter if you believed in speaking in tounges or not?
My suspicion about speaking in tongues is that a lot of people think they are speaking in tongues, when they are not. I’m guessing speaking in tongues is rare.

What is its purpose? Originally it was done so that the news of Jesus Christ could be spread to people speaking in other languages. Is that what’s happening today in churches where people say they are speaking in tongues?

Anyway, Paul said this about tongues:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV
 
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shotgunner

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My suspicion about speaking in tongues is that a lot of people think they are speaking in tongues, when they are not. I’m guessing speaking in tongues is rare.

What is its purpose? Originally it was done so that the news of Jesus Christ could be spread to people speaking in other languages. Is that what’s happening today in churches where people say they are speaking in tongues?

Anyway, Paul said this about tongues:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV
Your verse 28 gives an example of tongues that are not to be used to speak to someone in another language. if tongues were only for spreading the gospel to people of other languages then Paul would not have said to keep silent in without on interpreter and speak to himself and to God. Clearly there is a kind of tongue that is only for God and the one speaking.

In verse 28 Paul is saying that if there is no interpreter then only use your prayer language tongue that is between you and God, as per II Cor. 14:2

1 Corinthians 14:2King James Version (KJV)[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Clearly an example of a tongue that is not another language that is just unknown to the speaker, for he speaketh not unto men but unto God.
 
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Rudimental

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My suspicion about speaking in tongues is that a lot of people think they are speaking in tongues, when they are not. I’m guessing speaking in tongues is rare.

What is its purpose? Originally it was done so that the news of Jesus Christ could be spread to people speaking in other languages. Is that what’s happening today in churches where people say they are speaking in tongues?

Anyway, Paul said this about tongues:

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV
Hey man, it sounds like you've not had that Holy Spirit experience where you just burst out in tongues! When you have it, you will know and you will speak in tongues boldly! Tongues you've never spoke before and don't know how all of a sudden you are able to speak this language even though you don't understand it on an audible level you know its making sense on a spiritual one. It happens to new believers and some older Christians everyday in all generations as it has done and has held firmly in the Christian faith as a gift from God for thousands of years. Although some would try and say that the gift of tongues ceased but that's only because they haven't S.I.T themselves or how they interpret 1 Cor 13.8-10 where Paul in writing to the Corinthians AD 59 said "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away".

There we see Paul contrasting the three amazing gifts of the spirit – prophecy, tongues, and knowledge – with love. These gifts will cease, whereas love "never faileth". It should be noted that the verse does not say that the gift of tongues would cease "when that which is perfect is come". The arrival of "that which is perfect" marks the end of what is described as being "in part" – prophecy and knowledge. The gift of tongues is dropped in v.8 and is not referred to again in the chapter. "In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe".

You are right though, there should always be someone there to interpret where tongues is being done in public or in church. Always be someone there in the same spirit to interpret or translate that into something the unbelievers can understand.

Sometimes believing something is only half the story the other half is accepting it. :)

One love.
 
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Jajdhhd kajkdja kjospof poit sjfcn sawueiw aofkkoskf kskfskncsk aokd ksjf jayiuero lklfkslaldl mncmcmmmms!!!!
 
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Jajdhhd kajkdja kjospof poit sjfcn sawueiw aofkkoskf kskfskncsk aokd ksjf jayiuero lklfkslaldl mncmcmmmms!!!!
Interpreted: Heavenly Father, please forgive us for our unbelief, even when we see many miracles and wonders being done in your name and give us the ears to hear and the heart to believe for your names sake!

Amen.
 

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1 Cor 13.8-10 where Paul in writing to the Corinthians AD 59 said "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away".

There we see Paul contrasting the three amazing gifts of the spirit – prophecy, tongues, and knowledge – with love. These gifts will cease, whereas love "never faileth". It should be noted that the verse does not say that the gift of tongues would cease "when that which is perfect is come". The arrival of "that which is perfect" marks the end of what is described as being "in part" – prophecy and knowledge.


  1. knowledge & prophesy are imparted by speech. a language by itself, with nothing to be said, is a useless thing. an empty house, where no one lives.

  2. that perfect thing? -- love. has it arrived? then you need no sign, because love fulfills the whole law, and trusts without needing to be shown 'proof'
 
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Hey man, it sounds like you've not had that Holy Spirit experience where you just burst out in tongues! When you have it, you will know and you will speak in tongues boldly! Tongues you've never spoke before and don't know how all of a sudden you are able to speak this language even though you don't understand it on an audible level you know its making sense on a spiritual one. It happens to new believers and some older Christians everyday in all generations as it has done and has held firmly in the Christian faith as a gift from God for thousands of years. Although some would try and say that the gift of tongues ceased but that's only because they haven't S.I.T themselves or how they interpret 1 Cor 13.8-10 where Paul in writing to the Corinthians AD 59 said "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away".

There we see Paul contrasting the three amazing gifts of the spirit – prophecy, tongues, and knowledge – with love. These gifts will cease, whereas love "never faileth". It should be noted that the verse does not say that the gift of tongues would cease "when that which is perfect is come". The arrival of "that which is perfect" marks the end of what is described as being "in part" – prophecy and knowledge. The gift of tongues is dropped in v.8 and is not referred to again in the chapter. "In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe".

You are right though, there should always be someone there to interpret where tongues is being done in public or in church. Always be someone there in the same spirit to interpret or translate that into something the unbelievers can understand.

Sometimes believing something is only half the story the other half is accepting it. :)

One love.
Well, if a Croatian walks into my church, and I find myself sharing the Gospel in his native tongue, then I will feel that I've spoken in tongues. I think, however, it would be unseemly for me to boast about it afterwards.
 
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Well, if a Croatian walks into my church, and I find myself sharing the Gospel in his native tongue, then I will feel that I've spoken in tongues. I think, however, it would be unseemly for me to boast about it afterwards.
You wouldn't be speaking in tongues then though would you, you would be speaking Croatian. :p

Why would you boast about it? S.I.T boldly but nobody can boast because there is no respect of persons with God.
 
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You wouldn't be speaking in tongues then though would you, you would be speaking Croatian. :p

Why would you boast about it? S.I.T boldly but nobody can boast because there is no respect of persons with God.
That's what speaking in tongues means - speaking in another person's language so that they understand what you are saying. You need to go to your Bible and read about the Pentecost. Read the second chapter of Acts.