How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?
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What Paul states is that every cell in his body (humanity) is diseased, if you will, with selfishness or self-love. In other words we cannot generate agape because it goes against our very being.
Do any of you believe, outside Christ, that you can do good things? Please remember that God examines the motive behind the act.
Do any of you believe, outside Christ, that you can do good things? Please remember that God examines the motive behind the act.
Now you have gone to the microbiological level.
No wonder you miss the point of the sweet and simple Gospel,
that even a child or an uneducated man can understand.
Dude, your thread is getting nowhere. I sincerely feel bad.
You need to look into the Gospel with the simple mind of a child.
You have been trained and taught to complicate things.
You love Christ, and your motives are pure; so I believe He will lead you towards the truth.
Yes, there is a little arrogance in all of us.
We need to be like little children. (Now please don't point me to Heb 5:14)
No wonder you miss the point of the sweet and simple Gospel,
that even a child or an uneducated man can understand.
Dude, your thread is getting nowhere. I sincerely feel bad.
You need to look into the Gospel with the simple mind of a child.
You have been trained and taught to complicate things.
You love Christ, and your motives are pure; so I believe He will lead you towards the truth.
Yes, there is a little arrogance in all of us.
We need to be like little children. (Now please don't point me to Heb 5:14)
The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.[Rom 8:6]
"Sarx" implies something more than the flesh.
So by just blaming the flesh, one cannot escape responsibility of his own sin.
It all boils down to whether we give in to the flesh or to the Spirit.
(I know that you will accuse me of relying on works)
No one is automatically sinful or automatically holy.
You go too literal on the words of Paul.
Christ redeemed us, and finished the redemptive work.
However, a believer can slide back.
The battle is still on.
God's Spirit that indwells us will lead us onto victory if we continue to rely on Him.
One must not take it for granted that one will be seated in the "heavenly realm" automatically.
Yes, Paul talks future tense, and at times past tense; but you do not understand figurative language.
You go too literal on everything, and therefore you even belittle the person of Christ.
No wonder you do not believe that (innocent) Christ died for our sins in our place.
Knowing scripture is not enough. One should be able to "rightly divide the word of truth" [2 Tim 2:15]
You accuse everyone else of heresy. It's high time you examined the doctrine you were taught.
Blessings!
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No, no, no...now you're moving into Christian living with the Spirit of God in the believer. That's another subject.
Outside Christ all you do is based on the love of self, not agape.
No one is automatically guilty, but all men are sinners.
Furthermore, I noticed that you didn't quote any Bible. Well, here's Paul (and he disagrees with your statement):
As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one" (Rom 3:10)
Here's Christ: "No one is good but One, that is, God" Rom 19:17
If we aren't good by birth, if we aren't righteous by birth, then we must be sinful. We are sinful because our mind & flesh are in agreement. They are in harmony.
Eph 2:2 you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
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Now I have heard it all. This is self-righteousness on steroids.
We are not Holy. The Spirit of God dwells in sinners, who are growing in grace, but nonetheless sinners. Who are you kidding?
Now, if you think you are without sin, I have some Bible verses for you. Maybe you need to reconsider your statement?.
We are not Holy. The Spirit of God dwells in sinners, who are growing in grace, but nonetheless sinners. Who are you kidding?
Now, if you think you are without sin, I have some Bible verses for you. Maybe you need to reconsider your statement?.
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Yes, Yes there is. Our new creation in Christ. The Holy Spirit dwells in our new human spirit. His temple.
At salvation God creates a new creature............we are no longer just body and soul. We are body, soul and spirit.
The human spirit, is the created temple that the Holy Spirit dwells in. It is a new creation and it CANNOT sin.
At salvation God creates a new creature............we are no longer just body and soul. We are body, soul and spirit.
The human spirit, is the created temple that the Holy Spirit dwells in. It is a new creation and it CANNOT sin.
Now I have heard it all. This is self-righteousness on steroids.
We are not Holy. The Spirit of God dwells in sinners, who are growing in grace, but nonetheless sinners. Who are you kidding?
Now, if you think you are without sin, I have some Bible verses for you. Maybe you need to reconsider your statement?.
1 Tim 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.
"Of whom I am chief" is in the present, continuous tense.
The Apostle Paul, called out by God the Father and Christ, didn't consider himself righteous or holy. He saw himself the chief of sinners in comparison to the righteousness of Christ.
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Its always a bad idea to start questioning God. It shows a lack of fear.
Why are some saved and some not..well the bible states that some were made as vessels of example and some of mercy..as for why? well, because God says so and he is God, he is smart and knows what he is doing so that's good enough for me.
Are any living people righteous on merit? Clearly the bible says only Jesus lived a sinless life but the bible also accredits Righteousness to Abel, Noah, Abraham, Samual, David and Elijah among others before Christ and Calvary which is another little mystery. Blessings
Why are some saved and some not..well the bible states that some were made as vessels of example and some of mercy..as for why? well, because God says so and he is God, he is smart and knows what he is doing so that's good enough for me.
Are any living people righteous on merit? Clearly the bible says only Jesus lived a sinless life but the bible also accredits Righteousness to Abel, Noah, Abraham, Samual, David and Elijah among others before Christ and Calvary which is another little mystery. Blessings
Okay, so you are a new creation? That means you have no sinful nature. Furthermore that means you are holy & without sin.
I think its time we went through what you quoted out of context, verse by verse.
2 Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. 16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
I think its time we went through what you quoted out of context, verse by verse.
2 Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. 16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
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Good passage from 1 Timothy but the thing that seems to always get overlooked is one little word Paul says in verse 13, as he says formerly was these things but not any more which is why he is chief because he still acknowledges how bad he was:
13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.