KASICH.......THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL

[p_rehbein]

Politics
[h=3]John Kasich Will Be the Republican Nominee for President

The writing's on the wall in the Republican Party: John Kasich will be the Party's nominee in 2016, with Marco Rubio as his running mate. Only the media's delight at continued Trumpian drama is keeping politicos and pundits from coast to coast from stating ...Read more

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[Utah]

Its a good ticket, but not the best. That said, as long as they beat the hillary beast.

 

[jennymae]

If this be the truth I'm back to supporting the GOP again.

 

[tourist]

I read the article. It was fascinating to see how that scenario could very well play out.

 

[Mitspa]

I doubt 1/3 of the people voting for Trump or Cruz would support kasick ...maybe he is planning of getting Democrats to vote for him? Because I know I will never ..nor the millions of folks that have went out and supported Cruz and Trump.
Even McConnel says this whole idea of kasick being the nominee is just silly.

 

[posthuman]

if something like this ends up happening with the GOP ticket, i just hope everyone appreciates the irony of them talking about a "mandate from the people" and representing the "will of the citizens" while they go about completely ignoring actual election results.

it's pragmatic though, purely from the point of view of wanting to gain power if you are the GOP; Kasich is the only GOP candidate who ties, narrowly edges out, or only loses to Clinton by a small margin in head-to-head polling. she whomps Cruz & Trump in those polls.

 

[Mitspa]

Anyone can get a poll to say anything ...if we believe these left-wing polls, then Bernie beats everybody.... He is way ahead of Hillary. These "polls" are just nonsense and left-wing propaganda, just like most of what we hear from the MSM.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Has this type of thing ever happened before...?
Go John Kasich !!!

 

[Billyd]

This has been the most ridiculous primary season that I have ever witnessed. I would love to see the elimination of party conventions and the implementation of a national primary day first Tuesday in September, followed by a national runoff day fourteen days later, then a national election day on the first Tuesday in November. It's time for the people to choose their president, rather than let the money bags control the country by telling us who we can vote for.

 

[Desdichado]

Kasich is a tool being used by the establishment to force a Second Ballot at a brokered convention. He'll get a slice of something if they succeed on picking someone other than Cruz or Trump, but don't expect him to be the nominee.

 

[Mitspa]

]Kasich is a tool [/SIZE]being used by the establishment to force a Second Ballot at a brokered convention. He'll get a slice of something if they succeed on picking someone other than Cruz or Trump, but don't expect him to be the nominee.

This is the most delusional man in America

 

[Desdichado]

This is the most delusional man in America

Certainly a traitor to conservatives everywhere.

 

[p_rehbein]

Certainly a traitor to conservatives everywhere.

Kasich? Why is he a traitor to Conservatives everywhere? I didn't know you were a Conservative.......just saying.....

 

[Desdichado]

Kasich? Why is he a traitor to Conservatives everywhere? I didn't know you were a Conservative.......just saying.....

Before I respond, I would like to know what I have said on this forum that would lead someone to believe I am anything other than an American conservative.

We can argue about whether Kasich is a traitor to the conservative cause. But my conservative credentials? I'd be quite amused to see someone make the case that I am a liberal by modern standards.

 

[p_rehbein]

Before I respond, I would like to know what I have said on this forum that would lead someone to believe I am anything other than an American conservative.

We can argue about whether Kasich is a traitor to the conservative cause. But my conservative credentials? I'd be quite amused to see someone make the case that I am a liberal by modern standards.

Nothing you said comes to mind.......just never gave it that much thought......over all, based on your normal responses, I thought you to lean more towards the Libertarian view.....

Not looking to argue either, just wondering how he qualified as a a "traitor?"

 

[Desdichado]

Nothing you said comes to mind.......just never gave it that much thought......over all, based on your normal responses, I thought you to lean more towards the Libertarian view.....

Not looking to argue either, just wondering how he qualified as a a "traitor?"

Fair enough. I can see how someone may think I'm a Libertarian. I share their small-government inclinations, but my political philosophy is quite different from theirs. Liberty is more properly viewed, in my opinion, as a sweet, beautiful, and necessary bi-product of civil order, the rule of law, and public morality/responsibility.

Our posts are generally geared toward application of political philosophy, not necessarily the particulars of it.

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining it to me.

As for Kasich? Well, for one he claims to be conservative when he clearly wasn't on the most important issue he faced as governor. He is also, quite clearly, a stand-in for the establishment while they spin their wheels at forcing Trump and Cruz out (it seems they are starting to understand that isn't possible).

The real conservatives have all rode off into the sunset by now, seeing their chances at the high office fading and passing that chance to somebody with a better chance of winning the nomination.

 

[p_rehbein]

I also think Kasich is more of a Moderate Republican. But, I don't think he would qualify as a traitor to anything. His entire Congressional carer revealed his Moderate ideologies. But that isn't always a terrible thing. He did accomplish things in Congress by working in a Bi-Partisan way, and that is pretty much required to get anything done.

By comparison, Trump is surely no Conservative.

Cruz is probably more Conservative than either of the other two, but, even he is moderating as the campaign goes along in order to receive more votes.......

The other thing is, is that the definition of a "True Conservative" seems to depend on who is defining the term.

 

[Desdichado]

I also think Kasich is more of a Moderate Republican. But, I don't think he would qualify as a traitor to anything. His entire Congressional carer revealed his Moderate ideologies. But that isn't always a terrible thing. He did accomplish things in Congress by working in a Bi-Partisan way, and that is pretty much required to get anything done.

By comparison, Trump is surely no Conservative.

Cruz is probably more Conservative than either of the other two, but, even he is moderating as the campaign goes along in order to receive more votes.......

The other thing is, is that the definition of a "True Conservative" seems to depend on who is defining the term.

I agree with most of your statement. We have come to a different, shall we say, moral conclusion?

"True conservatism" is bandied about too much, you are correct. But if we view conservatism from the standpoint that it is a conglomeration of different philosophical views, we can make a determination on whether one is or is not conservative or a traitor to conservatives based on how they treat, espouse, and apply those views?

 

[posthuman]

Anyone can get a poll to say anything ...if we believe these left-wing polls, then Bernie beats everybody.... He is way ahead of Hillary. These "polls" are just nonsense and left-wing propaganda, just like most of what we hear from the MSM.

even the foxnews polls say the same thing. Bernie does beat everyone in head-to-head polling, looking at averages of polls from multiple sources, and has been polling that way ever since last october.
. . everyone except Kasich. Kasich, according to the polls, fares better than any other GOP candidate -- he's the only one who the head-to-head polling indicates would be a close race with whoever the DNC candidate ends up being.

just because virtually every poll, regardless of the origin, gives the impression that the right-wing candidates are less popular overall than the left-wing ones, doesn't make them "left-wing propaganda" -- the country overall is more left-wing than right. as conservative Christians, we're a minority, even before you start dividing us up by our opinions about secular politics.

 

[posthuman]

I also think Kasich is more of a Moderate Republican. But, I don't think he would qualify as a traitor to anything. His entire Congressional carer revealed his Moderate ideologies. But that isn't always a terrible thing. He did accomplish things in Congress by working in a Bi-Partisan way, and that is pretty much required to get anything done.

By comparison, Trump is surely no Conservative.

Cruz is probably more Conservative than either of the other two, but, even he is moderating as the campaign goes along in order to receive more votes.......

The other thing is, is that the definition of a "True Conservative" seems to depend on who is defining the term.

Cruz is decidedly partisan. he has the lowest % of any congressman of bi-partisan sponsorship of bills he introduced, and almost his entire record in congress is party-line obstructionism. it doesn't get much more "Conservative" if your idea of "Conservative" is opposing anything that Democrats want to do.

it's like you say though, "conservative" needs to be clearly defined.

seems to me like a whole lot of discussions, all across these forums, ((and everywhere else!)) would go a lot more smoothly if we clearly and rigidly defined what it was we are talking about. there's often a lot of assumption that goes on with sort of general terms, that winds up being mischaracterization.