"Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

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Willie-T said:
And so many of us try our best to make it any number of other things.
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Amen...the whole Christian life is about grace through faith only in what Christ has already done for us in His finished work. This drives those that want to work for their salvation crazy and brings out the Judaizers in droves. The gospel of the grace of Christ is offensive to the law-keeping Old Covenant mindset. It's actually a great sign that the true gospel is being preached when the Judaizers show up. It also gives us another chance to preach Christ again. It's all good Willie!....:)
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.

1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40

2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21

3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )

4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18

5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16

6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9

7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5

According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is.

What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say not doing all the will of God are not saved - without factoring in the finished work of our Lord Jesus for He is our salvation.

The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9

The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

And thats a good point because the Pharisees would rather justify themselves by law of Moses (which accuses them) then to justify God by being baptized by John

Grace and truth right here



John's joy is made full testifying to Jesus Christ
and for Christ to increase in the life of his disciples

And we can see it was between Moses and Christ even then, men justfiying themselves or justifying God



All the people justified God (and Gods counsel) it was the Pharisees that rejected it



 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

Woah said:
How do you reconcile these verses? :confused:

Matthew 7:21 states:"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

and

Romans 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I just don't understand.
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the heart of this is that saying "lord, lord" is not the same as calling on His name.

the people Christ is talking about in Matthew 7:21 and the surrounding context are calling on the things they have done in His name -- not on Him. and they did not put his words into practice - even though they did great righteous works. it is not about "earning" the kingdom, and it is not about simply "agreeing" that He is the Son of God and then doing nothing about it -- it is about trusting in His faithfulness, and His mercy, and clinging to who He is and what He says we must do.
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

There is a difference between calling on the Lord and just saying Lord, Lord.

The first one in Matthew Jesus is referring to those who do not believe Jesus is God and have never accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. If you look up just a few verses to verse 15 you will see Jesus is talking about false Prophets and not True believers.

All those who call on Jesus and accept Him as their Lord and Savior are the True Children of God.

The Scriptures do not contradict themselves.
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

Woah said:
How do you reconcile these verses? :confused:

Matthew 7:21 states:"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

and

Romans 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I just don't understand.
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The answer in a word is Truth. True belief. anyone can say Lord Lord, the narrow door is to be the wise builder. if a person believes their child is in danger, they will not do nothing if they don't believe, there is no need for action. The greatest commandment in the word, the ruling commandment is Love God with all of your heart. Truth is the answer, what is the truth of what is in a persons heart. True Love for God, because we truly believe the gospel of His Love for us. True Love for God is to? so any verse saying "believe" and another saying "do" are meant to be working in union. the verses all go together. These are purely, my own view on reconciling the debate of whether to believe or do. if you believe, you will do. if your belief is burned up in the fire, there was no truth in it. Great post.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I have found at least 7 things about doing the will of God on this earth now that we are in Christ.

1) That we have eternal life in Christ - John 6:40

2) That we be filled with the Holy Spirit - Eph 5:16-21

3) That we live a pure, disciplined lifestyle - 1 Thess 4:3-4 ( we live out that holiness that is already in us in our new man ..created in Christ in righteousness and holiness )

4) That we are rejoicing in the Lord, praying without ceasing, and grateful - 1 Thess 5:16-18

5) That we be a law-abiding citizen - 1 Peter 2:13-16

6) That we believe and influence others to believe - 2 Peter 3:9

7) That we commit ourselves to God and other believers - 2 Cor 8:5

According to the works-based salvationists...if someone is not joyful one day or didn't pray for a couple of days...or was not grateful for a day or so and they died..then they would go to hell because they didn't do " the will of God"..( see #4 above )....how foolish this nonsense is.

What about #5 above...if you speed and crash your car and die..you go to hell because you were not doing " the will of God"...again the complete foolishness of people that say not doing all the will of God are not saved - without factoring in the finished work of our Lord Jesus for He is our salvation.

The "doing of the will of God" for salvation is to believe on Christ and it is by grace through faith only - no works. Eph 2:8-9

The saint who rests in Christ and in His finished work is the will of God and what appears to be his free choices are actually God's will for him. It's loving God because you know His love for you, doing what is inside of you under His influence. Phil 2:13
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can I ask you a question? honestly? and if you refuse to answer I understand. Do you live your life, Like Jesus says to live it?
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

Woah said:
How do you reconcile these verses? :confused:

Matthew 7:21 states:"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

and

Romans 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I just don't understand.
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Its the attitude of the heart. The Bible says that God looks at the heart. Many people do things for their own glory,not Gods. Look at many of the televangelists,they're doing it for their own glory and the Bible says they have already received their reward. So the difference is the attitude of the heart.
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

KenAllan said:
There is a difference between calling on the Lord and just saying Lord, Lord.

The first one in Matthew Jesus is referring to those who do not believe Jesus is God and have never accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior. If you look up just a few verses to verse 15 you will see Jesus is talking about false Prophets and not True believers.

All those who call on Jesus and accept Him as their Lord and Savior are the True Children of God.

The Scriptures do not contradict themselves.
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what is it to accept Him as Lord?

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,…


what we are doing, is who we are serving. our Lord is the one we follow, despite our confession. "If you Love me you will obey my commands." john14-15. 1john 5:3 "In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,....when obeying Gods word is a burden and offense to your doctrines.....its time to reconsider things. doing the right thing leads to righteousness, not only saying things.....ever had someone Love you and never act as if they do, just say it? Gotta learn to Love the word obedience
 
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This question may be the most important question of all time.

Those calling Jesus "Lord" and doing works in His name are obviously "Christians". But Jesus' reply to them holds the answer - I never KNEW you.

The reality is that "they" never KNEW Him. Jesus warned about "false-Christ's". If the "Jesus" hanging on your cross is a false one, it is an insufficient sacrifice. This is why Jesus would ask His disciples "Whom do you say that I am?". Acknowledging His identity is essential to your salvation.

The Apostles also warned believers to beware of anyone teaching "another Jesus" or "another gospel". A perfect example of this is what is believed by Jehovahs Witnesses. Their "Jesus" is the archangel Michael. This is a counterfeit, an imposter. Neither Jesus nor His apostles taught this.

So basically, I'm convinced its a identity issue.
 
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leslie261 said:
This question may be the most important question of all time.

Those calling Jesus "Lord" and doing works in His name are obviously "Christians". But Jesus' reply to them holds the answer - I never KNEW you.

The reality is that "they" never KNEW Him. Jesus warned about "false-Christ's". If the "Jesus" hanging on your cross is a false one, it is an insufficient sacrifice. This is why Jesus would ask His disciples "Whom do you say that I am?". Acknowledging His identity is essential to your salvation.

The Apostles also warned believers to beware of anyone teaching "another Jesus" or "another gospel". A perfect example of this is what is believed by Jehovahs Witnesses. Their "Jesus" is the archangel Michael. This is a counterfeit, an imposter. Neither Jesus nor His apostles taught this.

So basically, I'm convinced its a identity issue.
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Hello leslie261,

The answer to why Jesus says to them "depart from me, I never knew you" can be found in their response when they find out that they cannot enter into the kingdom of God:

"'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

"Did we not" demonstrates that they were not trusting in what Christ did, but their in their own efforts.
 
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I see what you're saying. Very good answer.
 
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thepsalmist said:
To those same people he also says "I never knew you" ... because the will of God is that we believe on His son Jesus Christ as our atonement. So believe in Jesus as savior and you will be doing the will of God and He will know you.
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Well said:
 
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Re: "Not all who cry out Lord lord"...."Whoever calls on the name of the Lord.."

Woah said:
How do you reconcile these verses? :confused:

Matthew 7:21 states:"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

and

Romans 10:13

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.



I'm not trying to stir up trouble. I just don't understand.
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Context ,, Context , Context.. Always read verses in the context of the surrounding verses..

Romans 10:KJV
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So in context the ones who call upon the name of the LORD and who will be saved are the ones who believed Jesus and trusted upon His righteousness for their salvation.. They believeth on Him (Jesus)

Now lets read the context of the other verse..


Matthew 7 KJV 21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


In context these people where putting forward their Works to justify themselves before God.. they did not believe on Jesus to justify them but believed on their own Works to justify themselves.. Works salvation believers are going to be in for a great shock when Jesus says ""I never knew you""
 
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