Lordship Salvation is false teaching

[PeterJens]

The issue is plain. People no longer believe they can be Holy, undefiled, walking in righteousness.
It is why the Holiness movement meant so much, because it started to show in peoples lives what it means to be in the Kingdom.

But now being in the kingdom is the mystic experience, which may or may not change you, you are just destined for heaven.

This is like saying in the holy of holies both the defiled and clean can dwell together. That is just a lie, and not part of Gods teaching or gospel. It is like night and day. Break this holiness and you die. God struck people dead for doing this.

This is no game of theology, this is an attempt to change who God is and how he operates in peoples minds, but it is very crudely done. Worse still to argue we are from satan and an evil spirit arguing that God is Holy, righteous, pure is simply stupid and a denial of Gods testimony. But that never stopped people in the past, did not stop people rebelling against God, like Korah, and they simply died, swallowed alive into the ground.

Thankfully the Lord takes a different approach now to this through Christ, we just present the facts.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is like saying in the holy of holies both the defiled and clean can dwell together. That is just a lie, and not part of Gods teaching or gospel. It is like night and day. Break this holiness and you die. God struck people dead for doing this.

What Free Grace/hyper grace has done is essentially to say that GOD has changed and no longer has a problem with sin because of the cross, and has redefined grace to reflect this view.

Jesus Christ [is] the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8​

 

[miknik5]

In the end, HE will say what HE will say and what HE says will decide the whole matter:

Luke 6:46

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

In the end, HE will say what HE will say and what HE says will decide the whole matter:

Luke 6:46

Indeed. What a novel concept - to actually obey what the lord says.

And why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell [you]? Luke 6:46​

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen ..let's obey God and "Believe in His Son's finished work."

1 John 3:23 (NASB)

[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

 

[Utah]

Understanding the Lordship Salvation Controversy - Christian Research Institute

This article defines Lordship salvation as....

“Lordship salvation” advocates say that in order to be saved, one must not only believe and acknowledge that Christ is Lord, but also submit to His lordship. In other words, there must be — at the moment one trusts in Christ for salvation — a willingness to commit one’s life absolutely to the Lord, even though the actual practice of a committed life may not follow immediately or completely. Non-lordship proponents argue that such a pre-salvation commitment to Christ’s lordship compromises salvation by grace."

Hence, we are saved by grace through faith.

 

[miknik5]

I think John 14:15 through 23 says it best...
IF you LOVE ME...


I believe that might be the requirement which is not hidden from HIM...
Because I believe HE sees in the heart that true confession and therefore already knows those who LOVE HIM...from those who simply do lip service to THE NAME...


When HE reinstated Peter, there was one question HE asked Peter:

Peter do you love ME?


When Peter was asked this question three times, Peter finally said, LORD, you know all things...YOU know that I LOVE you...

Please read John 14:15-23

 

[crossnote]

Here's some background on this controversy between Free Grace and Lordship Salvation doctrines > Lordship salvation controversy

It began as a response by John MacArthur to the infiltration of pernicious Free Grace doctrine into the church, that was (is) promoted largely by faculty and alumni of the Dallas Theological Institute. Free Grace holds that faith is a passive persuasion in Christ as messiah, and righteous behavior is not at all required to be saved. As an example, a Free Grace believer who has commented here said that a person can believe one time, then apostatize and still be saved.

The Reformers battled over that word 'required'.
Some took it to mean fruit was required to show forth true salvation.
Others took it to mean a person was required to show forth fruit for true salvation.
Subtle, but important difference.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Reformers battled over that word 'required'.
Some took it to mean fruit was required to show forth true salvation.
Others took it to mean a person was required to show forth fruit for true salvation.
Subtle, but important difference.

Yes. One results from obeying the voice of GOD, the other results from obeying the voice of man's tradition.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here's some background on this controversy between Free Grace and Lordship Salvation doctrines > Lordship salvation controversy

It began as a response by John MacArthur to the infiltration of pernicious Free Grace doctrine into the church, that was (is) promoted largely by faculty and alumni of the Dallas Theological Institute. Free Grace holds that faith is a passive persuasion in Christ as messiah, and righteous behavior is not at all required to be saved. As an example, a Free Grace believer who has commented here said that a person can believe one time, then apostatize and still be saved.

Sounds like Free grace, Hyper grace and OSAS doctrine are all basically speaking the same lies.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sounds like Free grace, Hyper grace and OSAS doctrine are all basically speaking the same lies.

To varying degrees, yes.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sounds like Free grace, Hyper grace and OSAS doctrine are all basically speaking the same lies.

It sounds like anyone that disagrees with what "you" believe is in lies.....it's to be expected .....it's the nature of the beast in manifestation..

 

[miknik5]

The Reformers battled over that word 'required'.
Some took it to mean fruit was required to show forth true salvation.
Others took it to mean a person was required to show forth fruit for true salvation.
Subtle, but important difference.

Did the "reformers" have to see with their own eyes to validate "the fruit" of others?

 

[miknik5]

As an example, a Free Grace believer who has commented here said that a person can believe one time, then apostatize and still be saved.

Can you point to this post?
Is it something that someone on this forum actually said, word for word? Or did you somehow assume and write out what you thought they said and meant?


There is a difference...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Can you point to this post?
Is it something that someone on this forum actually said, word for word? Or did you somehow assume and write out what you thought they said and meant?


There is a difference...

No, I can't. It was several months ago. He's gone. You'll just have to take my word for it. If you can't, too bad.

 

[miknik5]

No, I can't. It was several months ago. He's gone. You'll just have to take my word for it. If you can't, too bad.

I can't take your word for it...for anyone in CHRIST will NEVER take the GIFT of GRACE as some sort of free license to sin...and those who think this, well the WORD of GOD through Paul already addressed that...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It sounds like anyone that disagrees with what "you" believe is in lies.....it's to be expected .....it's the nature of the beast in manifestation..

Yes, I believe in the words of God, which is Truth and is Life. And so yes we can agree free grace, hyper grace , and OSAS doctrine is not of the truth but is earthy, carnally minded doctrines of men which is the "nature" of the natural brute beast being manifest in them who hold back the Truth in unrighteousness.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes, I believe in the words of God, which is Truth and is Life. And so yes we can agree free grace, hyper grace , and OSAS doctrine is not of the truth but is earthy, carnally minded doctrines of men which is the "nature" of the natural brute beast being manifest in them who hold back the Truth in unrighteousness.

okie dokie......

 

[miknik5]

Yes, I believe in the words of God, which is Truth and is Life. And so yes we can agree free grace, hyper grace , and OSAS doctrine is not of the truth but is earthy, carnally minded doctrines of men which is the "nature" of the natural brute beast being manifest in them who hold back the Truth in unrighteousness.

The brute beast?
How is THE KINGDOM of GOD even divided sir?
It isn't...

I think your confusion is in somehow thinking that satan has some sort of power over those who are IN CHRIST JESUS?

remember, the natural man can't receive the THINGS of THE SPIRIT because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned...and now you are claiming that those IN CHRIST are children of the wrong kingdom?

GOD already did HIS WORK of transferring out of the kingdom of darkness into the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS SON those who belong to HIS SON...


What exactly are you implying that belial could even HAVE anything to do with CHRIST?

There was one work all who are IN CHRIST were supposed to do...and that was to grow up into THE HEAD and all knowledge so that he would NOT be swayed by every wind of manmade doctrine which sets itself up against the TRUTH of THE WORD of GOD.

You are suggesting that CHRIST can't completely save all those who come to HIM through faith in HIS COVERING...

Here's another truth...ONE BRIDEGROOM...ONE GARMENT...either one has THAT GARMENT or doesn't...and it will be found in the end if he has THE RIGHT GARMENT...

 

[crossnote]

Did the "reformers" have to see with their own eyes to validate "the fruit" of others?

No, they were anything but fruit inspectors. They were arguing whether 'fruit' was on account of one's obedience in faith or if faith was a passive instrument through which fruit was produced.