The Bible, the infallible Word of God?

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fredoheaven said:
The Bible was written by the “holy men of God”. It is the best read and best loved books by many bible believers but also the most hated books of all time by skeptics- agnostics, unbelievers alike. Proving the infallibility of the Bible without using the Bible is not impossible. Here are some basic approaches to the question being brought by the OP.

1. Wicked kings and Emperors unable to destroy it.
2. Atheist could not disprove it.
3. Archaeological evidence defends it.
4. History, the arts and science proves it.
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Great reply on the part of basic approaches.........

-Both wicked rulers of very old times and the near past; Wicked Emperors like Nero, rulers like Hitler,
-True on atheism,.......Atheism is quite an emptiness,
-Archaeological evidence like the scrolls that all written of old agree, also the old cities in the bible now excavated etc
-Historical non scriptural or non religious literature that place individuals, items, places and systems quoted in the bible etc
 
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Mit-----
OK, I am confused over the lack of quote box in your #39 post, but it says prehbein, and then at the end, another comment followed by @prehbein, so I don't know who wrote what.

But that's no surprise, as I've already seen one person post, and another re-posts the quote in a quote box, but the name of the initial poster is changed. Does that make sense?

Also, I see people lift a portion of a quote, put it in a box, and then comment on it out of context, making the original poster appear to say or believe something else.

I'm not accusing you at all, just pointing this out.
Some things may be glitches, but there's some obvious twisting and manipulation going on with some posts, so I wanted to make sure if I was addressing mit or prehbein.

Was wondering if there was a problem with what I said in post#38? I know there can be dishonesty regarding questions on these threads, but I don't feel I was caught in any scheme and tried to answer as best I could. Since your post followed mine, I wondered if there was something I said that wasn't right. Thanks.
 
fredoheaven

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trofimus said:
What is meant by "infallible", exactly?

Specific Bible translation of 2016? Every word?

Or Greek copies? Or Greek originals we dont have?

Or just teachings of the Bible?

I think we should define this word before discussing it.
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"Infallible" means the Bible is without error in its teaching. It is incapable of teaching deception. see Psalms 119:160; John 17:17

The terms "infallible" and "inerrant" are often used interchangeably but there is difference.

Inerrant means without error in its recording
Infallible means without error in its teaching

Thanks
 
p_rehbein

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Vdp said:
Why p_rehbein do you feel the need to attack everyone who disagrees with you? Are you that insecure in your Salvation?

If you had read the question the person is asking "how would you prove that the Bible is the very Word of God". I believe he is not saying the Word is not from God like you teach.

I believe he is asking how would you prove to a non believer that the Bible is from God?

Could it be you have wrongly judged this person?

Could it be maybe he is asking for help?

It seem you p_rehbein are very quick to judge others. Why?
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Too.......too funny........... :) so much "pot.....kettle" going on here, I can't believe you actually clicked on the Post Quick Reply key......too, too funny......

You clearly did not understand one single thing I said, nor the "History" of this person........but, hey, that's ok....... :)

OH LOOKIE, LOOKIE............He JUST started YET ANOTHER "Hot button issue" thread on PREDESTINATION.......gee, ya woulda thunk SOMEONE woulda saw that coming huh........too, too funny.

I don't have to judge this dude, his "fruits" are doing that all by their lonesome............
 
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p_rehbein said:
I hope you guys realize the deception that is taking place on this thread. Honestly. This guy is weaving a web so sly (in his mind) that he is ensnaring loving Christians, and causing them to be caught up in debating "foolish questions." The Apostle warned us against doing this.
and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:9) But avoid foolish questions,and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

This current thread is slyly based on the first such thread he posted here. The "Can you prove God is real" one. I'm sure he believes himself to be quite the master of puppetry, for he has loving Christians "dancing" to his deceptiveness.

See, one can "never" prove the Bible is the "infallible Word of God," until one "first proves" that God is real. And, remember, in "both" threads, he lays out "restrictions" which do not allow one to use the Word of God as proof of either.

I surely hope that the loving Christians here realize and remember that such questions as these are the STANDARD questions posed by every atheist that has ever come to our beloved CC. Such questions are straight out of the troll/atheist Handbook, and are intended to do nothing more than cause division, and dissention among the loving Christians here.

If anyone doubts this, simply do a "search" of the title to his first thread "can you prove God is real" and you will find many, many threads, going back many, many months/years in the Historical Archives of CC.

Please do not get caught up/entangled in the the web of deceit this guy is weaving.

God bless the loving Christians here......
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Ok. Thank you
 
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-2 Timothy 3:16,17 The Bible asserts that it issues forth from God.

-Psalm 1:1-3 Testing it out by applying its laws and principles can build faith that this is true.

-Examining Bible prophecy-
The unmatched power of God to tell us what will happen pertaining to His will down to the finest detail. Examining past prophecy coming true can build strong faith for what God says is to come.(Matthew 6:9,10;Daniel 2:44;Revelation 17,18,21:1-4)

Ex. Through the prophet Isaiah who lived in the 8th Century BCE, God foretold that the city of Babylon would be destroyed.(Isaiah 13:19, 14:22,23)
Details were given to show just how the city would be conquered. Invading armies would dry up Babylons river and march into the city without a battle. The prophecy even named the king who would conquer Babylon-Cyrus.
Some 200 years later on the night of Oct. 5-6 539 BCE an army encamped near Babylon. Who was its commander? The foretold Persian King Cyrus.(Isaiah 44:27-Isaiah 45:2; Daniel ch.5)

God's people held in captivity to this powerful empire were now free to return to Jerusalem and rebuild after the desolation of 70 BCE.
 
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emjcares said:
Mit-----
OK, I am confused over the lack of quote box in your #39 post, but it says prehbein, and then at the end, another comment followed by @prehbein, so I don't know who wrote what.

But that's no surprise, as I've already seen one person post, and another re-posts the quote in a quote box, but the name of the initial poster is changed. Does that make sense?

Also, I see people lift a portion of a quote, put it in a box, and then comment on it out of context, making the original poster appear to say or believe something else.

I'm not accusing you at all, just pointing this out.
Some things may be glitches, but there's some obvious twisting and manipulation going on with some posts, so I wanted to make sure if I was addressing mit or prehbein.

Was wondering if there was a problem with what I said in post#38? I know there can be dishonesty regarding questions on these threads, but I don't feel I was caught in any scheme and tried to answer as best I could. Since your post followed mine, I wondered if there was something I said that wasn't right. Thanks.
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Nothing wrong with your #38 post.
Infact, I like it.
#39 was a glitch or My mistake when posting it was supposed to end up as a quote :(
 
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JaumeJ

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The written code kills......the Holy Spirit gives life.

Find those teachings in the Word..the Bible, and you have the truth of the Word, but only if you are taught of the Holy Spirit..

God bless you.
 
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PaulMack said:
How can we prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God?

How can we prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God without using the Bible to prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God?

How would you prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God?
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I don't know about all that, but I do know that the Lord solves all my problems for me, so if it's an issue of whether or not I believe in the Lord, I do believe in the Lord.

As for the Bible being the infallible word of God, I take it on faith that the Bible is what it says it is. When it says it is quoting God or Jesus, I believe that to be the Word of God. When it says this is a letter of Paul, I believe it to be a letter of Paul. When it says that this or that happened, I believe that this or that happened.
 
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Blain said:
Proving the bible to be the infallible word of god has never been done and honestly won't until all is said and done, if it could be proven then every person who we wanted to convince would have no argument what so ever even some Christians don't truly believe this as they reject certain scriptures that oppose their beliefs.

But the bible was made specifically by God to only be understood by the holy spirit and by growing close to God and thus because of this anyone without these could never understand the word in the depth that is needed to prove it's infallible and so in that conclusion there is no need to prove this because cannot be done and isn't our job to begin with
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Actually it is not difficult to prove to the Christian that the Bible is the infallible word of God when properly interpreted. It is to the non-Christian that we have difficulties because they do not have the mind of the Spirit.

The question is therefore a waste of a Christian's time. The Question is rather true belief in Jesus Christ. Once that is settled the rest will follow,,
 
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PaulMack said:
How can we prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God without using the Bible to prove the Bible is the infallible Word of God?
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Well OP, I don't know if you are still banned or even visiting this site anymore, but God gives us the answer here...

2 Peter 1:19
"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts"

This 'more sure Word' is none other than Heaven and Earth who act as Witnesses...

Deuteronomy 4:26
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed"

Here is an example of Heaven testifying...

Psalms​​ 19:1-5
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork"
"Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge"

"There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard"

"Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun"

"Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race"

In other words, Astrotheology, Biology, Science, Physics, Math, etc. are all in agreement with what the Bible teaches.

No other religion can do this.

This 'More sure Word' can even be found in our very own DNA... the Book God wrote.

The 'Light shining in a dark place' is the Candlestick, which represents Mitochondrial DNA among other things...





The Day Star is the Phosphorus or 'Light Bearer' of the Lamps that make up DNA...



You see OP...

I asked the same question many years ago and God gave me an answer I was satisfied with.

Not all can see it, or are willing to.

In fact...

Proving the Bible *really* is the infallible Word would mean that God *really* is *real* and that He *really* does see everyone's sins.

Most people can't accept that. Even Christians believe it or not.

They don't want to believe that God can literally be in every particle of Matter in the entire Universe (and Parallel Universes for that Matter).

It's too much Truth to handle...

 
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due the person no longer here that started the post . maybe it should be closed ?
 
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