The Gap vs. New Creationism Propaganda
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Go do a study on Thomas Chalmers and get back to us...
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I'll keep to God's Word as written instead heeding men's traditions. I've already shown you here on this thread straight from God's Word where the Gap idea comes from His Word, but you fail to address it, showing you lost that argument about Chalmers long ago.
That is how all FALSE doctrines are formed.
The fact is, you refuse to study the originators and propagators of the GAP THEORY, because it would prove that you are not keeping at all to GOD"s word....
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There's no Biblical proof of that idea. God didn't change His creation then just because He shortened the life of man. Lot of speculation been going on about the earth being in a different state prior to the flood of Noah's day, ideas that try to explain how the earth in a different state was responsible for man's longevity prior to the flood, (i.e., fresher air, a complete covering around the earth, etc.). It's all speculation though.
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The waters came from both... places. It literally rained continuously for 40 days and 40 nights, don't you remember?
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
So my point on that was... with the Gen.1:2-9 events, all... waters were upon the whole earth covering it, no sky yet at Gen.1:2.
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
So my point on that was... with the Gen.1:2-9 events, all... waters were upon the whole earth covering it, no sky yet at Gen.1:2.
Noah flood came from the underground waters, and the above ground waters. (the fountains of the great deep) spoke of an underground ocean so to speak. which poured out under great force, went up into the autmosphere, and came back as rain. Which covered the whole earth.
So I am not sure what you are trying to say.
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Your argument can't be substantiated. Scripture interprets Scripture. Not Science interprets Scripture. Scripture must be used to interpret everything. Not the other way around. Otherwise, if we can't trust God's Word when it mentions the word 'day', how can we trust what God means when His Word mentions 'sin' or 'salvation' or anything else that comes later? A day is a day is a day.
If we can not trust scripture. We need to find a new religion. Because ours cannot be trusted. Thats what I believe these allegorist's do not understand, If we can not take God at his word literally, and can twist it to make it say whatever we want it to say, It is not a trustworthy letter. It is hogwash..
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You are misguided, the change after the flood involved man, not the earth. There is nothing written to show God changed the earth with making a new creation after the flood of Noah.
How can you be trusted to understand science when you do not understand its basic precepts?
And this idea that God made a new creation. Get off that strawman, It makes no sense, Is not what we are saying, and makes yourself look bad.
Nothing wrong with your answer, some people think that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth.. Then when scripture mentions the earth being without form and void some believe this points to the earth being restored again after the opening verse of gen.. 1:1 ... You following me that's what I'm referring too..
You'll find in the majority of other translations of the word the KJV translators did, tohuw meant something that went to a ruined, waste condition of nothing, vanity.
In Isaiah 45:18, God specifically said He did NOT... create the earth tohuw (without form).
The KJV translator's bad translation of Hebrew tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") in Gen.1:2 was no doubt from earlier influences like Augustine, et al, philosophical ideas from Greek philosophy's influence on the renaissance.
The correct translation of tohuw va bohuw is in Jer.4:23 which is in relation to a destruction upon the earth, which in the majority of cases they translated tohuw in that sense. But they didn't at Gen.1:2 because of theories outside God's Word.
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In at least 10 usages in God's Word of the Hebrew word tohuw ("without form"), in the majority of cases, how it is translated in the KJV Bible, i.e., is it used to show something that does not exist, or does it show something that went bad?
You'll find in the majority of other translations of the word the KJV translators did, tohuw meant something that went to a ruined, waste condition of nothing, vanity.
In Isaiah 45:18, God specifically said He did NOT... create the earth tohuw (without form).
The KJV translator's bad translation of Hebrew tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") in Gen.1:2 was no doubt from earlier influences like Augustine, et al, philosophical ideas from Greek philosophy's influence on the renaissance.
You'll find in the majority of other translations of the word the KJV translators did, tohuw meant something that went to a ruined, waste condition of nothing, vanity.
In Isaiah 45:18, God specifically said He did NOT... create the earth tohuw (without form).
The KJV translator's bad translation of Hebrew tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") in Gen.1:2 was no doubt from earlier influences like Augustine, et al, philosophical ideas from Greek philosophy's influence on the renaissance.
lol.. Thats your opiion, Not based on fact, There are scientists that prove the fossil theory was made in one year,
ps. there are dino's in the bible David mentioned them, There were dinos on the ark.. They could not survive in the post flood world. thus (as do all animals who live in a system which does not support it..
ps.. those are mostly secular scientist you are listening to. so please. They can not even prove the earth was around 65 million years ago.. There science of dating is completely flawed.. No one knows.. so these are the men and science you are basing your belief on..
ps. there are dino's in the bible David mentioned them, There were dinos on the ark.. They could not survive in the post flood world. thus (as do all animals who live in a system which does not support it..
ps.. those are mostly secular scientist you are listening to. so please. They can not even prove the earth was around 65 million years ago.. There science of dating is completely flawed.. No one knows.. so these are the men and science you are basing your belief on..
I don't necessarily agree with science's carbon dating but that doesn't do away with the obvious evidence that groups of prior extinct species all once existed at one time and then were wiped out, according to the fossil record. And then new life sprang forth.
The only hint to dinosaurs in God's Word is in Job 40 about the "behemoth".
The dinosaurs no longer exist on earth today. Those who think they do are pushing a false agenda, just because they want to fight man's theories of evolution.
I looked into Drake......wouldn't line up with him.
Chalmers I have looked into a little since he was brought up. It seems, even Chalmers built his idea from previous teachers.
Its interesting that nobody brings up St. Gregory in this discussion..........329-391.
Chalmers I have looked into a little since he was brought up. It seems, even Chalmers built his idea from previous teachers.
Its interesting that nobody brings up St. Gregory in this discussion..........329-391.
The only GAP you came come up with in the Bible is pure speculation....and taking verses out of context to make it work....
That is how all FALSE doctrines are formed.
The fact is, you refuse to study the originators and propagators of the GAP THEORY, because it would prove that you are not keeping at all to GOD"s word....
That is how all FALSE doctrines are formed.
The fact is, you refuse to study the originators and propagators of the GAP THEORY, because it would prove that you are not keeping at all to GOD"s word....
Why don't you accept my challenge about the Hebrew word 'tohuw', of how the KJV translators translated in the majority of other cases? Then you might begin to learn the real meaning of the towhu va bohuw ("without form, and void").
How is it that God said He did not create the earth tohuw ("in vain") in Isaiah 45:18?
How can the KJV translators translate tohuw va bohuw to "without form, and void" in Jer.23-28 which is about God turning the earth into a wasted state?
How is it that God in His parable of Ezek.31 showed the existence of nations that He made shake at the sound of Satan's fall? Were there nations at the time of Adam and Eve in God's Garden? Would that be your answer?
How is that Hebrews 12 shows God previously shook this earth to remove things made, so that things that cannot be shaken would remain?
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Dinosaurs on the ark, during David's time? You're mad.
2 of every creature was on the ark.. which would include all creatures.
And I am sorry, But if you want to be like many and call the nehemoth a rhino, You, my friend, who are the one twisting Gods word. The behemoth looks nothing like a rhino.. (I meant Job not david)
I don't necessarily agree with science's carbon dating but that doesn't do away with the obvious evidence that groups of prior extinct species all once existed at one time and then were wiped out, according to the fossil record. And then new life sprang forth.
The only hint to dinosaurs in God's Word is in Job 40 about the "behemoth".
Thats not a hint, that is a fact.
The dinosaurs no longer exist on earth today. Those who think they do are pushing a false agenda, just because they want to fight man's theories of evolution.
But small ones, Yes they exist, in fact unchanged since the fossil record shows them..
God did not change anything, But things happened naturally because of the catastophe called the flood. The earth post flood was not the same as thee earth preflood.. And there is ample proof of this..
With the time of the flood of Noah, we're only talking about back to around 2500 B.C. Adam was formed around 4004 B.C., and the Assyriologist Sayce originally translated the time Sargon arrived among the Sumerians at 3800 B.C.
The woolly mammoth found frozen instantly in the Arctic, still with undecayed vegetation in its mouth, and undigested vegetation in its stomach, I believe is an artifact from the first flood destruction upon the earth. The evidence shows it was caught in an open green field in the Arctic grazing, and frozen instantly.
Gen 1: 2 was the earths state in its origional condition before God started to "finish his creation" (before he seperated the waters, Brought forth land, Made the day and night, Created the plants, the animals, Created mankind, etc etc)
Noah flood came from the underground waters, and the above ground waters. (the fountains of the great deep) spoke of an underground ocean so to speak. which poured out under great force, went up into the autmosphere, and came back as rain. Which covered the whole earth.
So I am not sure what you are trying to say.
Noah flood came from the underground waters, and the above ground waters. (the fountains of the great deep) spoke of an underground ocean so to speak. which poured out under great force, went up into the autmosphere, and came back as rain. Which covered the whole earth.
So I am not sure what you are trying to say.
Why would you have a difficult time admitting about those rains??? I even showed you Scripture proof of it.
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The remains of both floods are mixed.
With the time of the flood of Noah, we're only talking about back to around 2500 B.C. Adam was formed around 4004 B.C., and the Assyriologist Sayce originally translated the time Sargon arrived among the Sumerians at 3800 B.C.
The woolly mammoth found frozen instantly in the Arctic, still with undecayed vegetation in its mouth, and undigested vegetation in its stomach, I believe is an artifact from the first flood destruction upon the earth. The evidence shows it was caught in an open green field in the Arctic grazing, and frozen instantly.
With the time of the flood of Noah, we're only talking about back to around 2500 B.C. Adam was formed around 4004 B.C., and the Assyriologist Sayce originally translated the time Sargon arrived among the Sumerians at 3800 B.C.
The woolly mammoth found frozen instantly in the Arctic, still with undecayed vegetation in its mouth, and undigested vegetation in its stomach, I believe is an artifact from the first flood destruction upon the earth. The evidence shows it was caught in an open green field in the Arctic grazing, and frozen instantly.
the wooly mammoths.
Occured when the founntains of the great deep opened up, and underground water was forced up so high, that it reached outer space, and fell back to erth instantly freezing not only momoths, but fish in streams, and other Creatures, There is also evidence the force was so great it cause the earth to rotate on its axis slightly, Where land once considered tropical in nature, now resided in the arctic polar regions,, Which also explains why the earth has a tilt in its axis.
There are things out there to study DP.. You can not hold yourself to one view, you have to study all views..
There is no proof of two floods.. period
You do not understand atmospheric changes do you?
How can you be trusted to understand science when you do not understand its basic precepts?
And this idea that God made a new creation. Get off that strawman, It makes no sense, Is not what we are saying, and makes yourself look bad.
How can you be trusted to understand science when you do not understand its basic precepts?
And this idea that God made a new creation. Get off that strawman, It makes no sense, Is not what we are saying, and makes yourself look bad.
I hate to say it, but you have turned into a nut-case, because you refuse to even admit the concept of RAIN and where it comes from!
Gen 7:4
4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
KJV
Gen 7:12
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
KJV
Gen 8:2
2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
KJV
And your reported.. How dare you judge other people..
2 of every creature was on the ark.. which would include all creatures.
And I am sorry, But if you want to be like many and call the nehemoth a rhino, You, my friend, who are the one twisting Gods word. The behemoth looks nothing like a rhino.. (I meant Job not david)
Do what? You know that many of these so called creatures that science stated went extinct and are no lnger alive and have not been for millions of years. are starting to show up in remote parts of the world?
Thats not a hint, that is a fact.
Large land creatures? Your right, Todays atmosphere would not support them..
But small ones, Yes they exist, in fact unchanged since the fossil record shows them..
2 of every creature was on the ark.. which would include all creatures.
And I am sorry, But if you want to be like many and call the nehemoth a rhino, You, my friend, who are the one twisting Gods word. The behemoth looks nothing like a rhino.. (I meant Job not david)
Do what? You know that many of these so called creatures that science stated went extinct and are no lnger alive and have not been for millions of years. are starting to show up in remote parts of the world?
Thats not a hint, that is a fact.
Large land creatures? Your right, Todays atmosphere would not support them..
But small ones, Yes they exist, in fact unchanged since the fossil record shows them..
That's apparently the only way you can try to win an argument. But not with me here, because you haven't even yet begun... to address the Scriptures I posted as evidence for a gap of time between Satan's rebellion and this world of Gen.1:2 forward!