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I disagree, completely. All we "need" to be saved is to hear the gospel.

The rest is great to have, to help us learn MORE about following Jesus, but it is not "necessary".

If that was so, then NOBODY up until the end of the 1st century would have had a chance to "live for God".....
Yeah. And it is even worse when we make all about us (mostly in America) today. Or sometimes only this side of 1611.
 

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Angela said nothing of the sort. She loves the Word. She just doesn't love it when people worship the KJV (or any other translation).
Crazy to me that believing every word of God's word is called worship.
 

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Half a dozen different translations? Nice. I've heard of the God's Word translation, but I'm not familiar with it. Thanks, brother.
So at the end of the day, you can determine what God has said. I don't agree with this one, but I like the way this one puts it...
 

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I disagree, completely. All we "need" to be saved is to hear the gospel.

The rest is great to have, to help us learn MORE about following Jesus, but it is not "necessary".

If that was so, then NOBODY up until the end of the 1st century would have had a chance to "live for God".....
It says live for God, not just salvation...I apologize if that's what you took from my statement. One can get saved from a tract, God's word on a t-shirt, or even a skit about the gospel. I know that.
 

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forehead slap!!!!!

How is proper translation changing something!?!?
For example:

Changing "His only begotten Son" to "his one and only Son." The doctrine of the begotten is lost.

Changing "justified by the faith of Christ" to "justified by faith in Christ." The doctrine of justification through Christ's faith is destroyed.
 
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Faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God. The gospel has to be involved in salvation and the only way we know about the gospel is through the words of God.
Then how come Jesus said that the Spirit of truth would convict men of their SIN? The Spirit of Truth is not the KJV Bible, although will say it is.

For the record, The word, word in Romans 10 is not the written word, it is the spoken word of God ...IOW, its not the logos/written word it is the Rhema/uttering word....

Your simple carnal mind cannot understand these things because they are spiritually discerned.....not hung up on Bible version that limits the Holy Spirit showing you all things like the need for a Savior...
 
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You didn't get save through the truth of the gospel? How do we know anything about that truth?
No sir, you want me to say I got saved by the Gospel as presented in the KJV Bible and that would be a big negative....
 

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Then how come Jesus said that the Spirit of truth would convict men of their SIN? The Spirit of Truth is not the KJV Bible, although will say it is.

For the record, The word, word in Romans 10 is not the written word, it is the spoken word of God ...IOW, its not the logos/written word it is the Rhema/uttering word....

Your simple carnal mind cannot understand these things because they are spiritually discerned.....not hung up on Bible version that limits the Holy Spirit showing you all things like the need for a Savior...
Man is convicted of sin then upon hearing and believing the gospel, man is saved. Being convicted of sin is not enough. That readies the person for the hearing of the gospel. You're wrong about Romans 10. It is speaking of hearing of the word of God being preached to them. That's the whole point of Romans 10:13-17. Even verse 18 says, Have they not heard?

We speak the word of God because we know what the written word of God says. Without the written word of God, how could we speak it? Is the gospel of Christ just a rumor passed down through speech? No, it is the record written down concerning the gospel of Christ.
 
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It says live for God, not just salvation...I apologize if that's what you took from my statement. One can get saved from a tract, God's word on a t-shirt, or even a skit about the gospel. I know that.
No you don't! You told me very clearly and indirectly stated I was not saved, because there was no KJV of the Bible thumping me over the head.....stop back peddling and just say what you really want to....

That you cannot be saved unless you hear the Gospel from a KJV Bible....that is what the KJO movement is starting to tell people...

We get them in our church all the time, condemned because of the Bible version they don't read or cannot read adn that SIR, is the holier than thou King James Version....

grow up and come to full age...
 
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Man is convicted of sin then upon hearing and believing the gospel, man is saved. Being convicted of sin is not enough. That readies the person for the hearing of the gospel. You're wrong about Romans 10. It is speaking of hearing of the word of God being preached to them. That's the whole point of Romans 10:13-17. Even verse 18 says, Have they not heard?

We speak the word of God because we know what the written word of God says. Without the written word of God, how could we speak it? Is the gospel of Christ just a rumor passed down through speech? No, it is the record written down concerning the gospel of Christ.
I am sorry, are you speaking to me
 

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No sir, you want me to say I got saved by the Gospel as presented in the KJV Bible and that would be a big negative....
Nope, did you read post 106?
 

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No you don't! You told me very clearly and indirectly stated I was not saved, because there was no KJV of the Bible thumping me over the head.....stop back peddling and just say what you really want to....

That you cannot be saved unless you hear the Gospel from a KJV Bible....that is what the KJO movement is starting to tell people...

We get them in our church all the time, condemned because of the Bible version they don't read or cannot read adn that SIR, is the holier than thou King James Version....

grow up and come to full age...
Please show me where I said that? That is not my belief. I apologize if you read that into my statements.
 
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Please show me where I said that? That is not my belief. I apologize if you read that into my statements.
Apology accepted, but you need to slow down an check what you are syaing, because friend, you are indirectly telling people that if they do not hear the Gospel truth from the KJV Bible, they are not saved...
 

John146

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better look at #111
You've been on the board for a while and in different threads, you should know that I am not like that. I'm just passionate when it comes to defending the word of God as I believe it has been preserved for us. That's all.
 

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Apology accepted, but you need to slow down an check what you are syaing, because friend, you are indirectly telling people that if they do not hear the Gospel truth from the KJV Bible, they are not saved...
If I read anyone bashing the KJV in anyway, I will defend. There's none other version people defend because do not hold the truth that we have God's preserved words.
 
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If I read anyone bashing the KJV in anyway, I will defend. There's none other version people defend because do not hold the truth that we have God's preserved words.
Please show me in the KJV Bible that Jesus told you to defend a version of the Bible?
 

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No sir, you want me to say I got saved by the Gospel as presented in the KJV Bible and that would be a big negative....
So what Book saved you if it wasn't by the King Jesus Version?