The ever-changing ESV Bible
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Here is where you are becoming very "YET" like.... nobody is "bashing" the KJV. Many of us believe that there are other translations that are much easier to understand, but NOBODY that I know of is saying the KJV is trash... It is a good translation, if you can wade through the almost medieval language... and it does take quite a bit of outside study to grasp the meanings of words that have changed over the past 400 years...
But nobody is trashing it, we are simply saying there are other valid, accurate versions that are easier for the average person to read and understand.
It's the stance/claim that it is the ONLY accurate version that causes all the heartburn. That is simply not true.
But nobody is trashing it, we are simply saying there are other valid, accurate versions that are easier for the average person to read and understand.
It's the stance/claim that it is the ONLY accurate version that causes all the heartburn. That is simply not true.
I can "wade" through the beautiful language and if I have a question, it just makes me study more to shew myself approved. I'm not looking for easier, I have the Holy Spirit as my instructor.
What bothers me is that most believers today do not believe they have a perfect Bible to read, study and obey. Why obey something you don't believe to be 100% accurate? Why claim something to be the word of God when you don't believe it. At least admit to the world that what we have is not accurate. At least be honest to the world that the Bible can't be trusted, only parts.
What bothers me is that most believers today do not believe they have a perfect Bible to read, study and obey. Why obey something you don't believe to be 100% accurate? Why claim something to be the word of God when you don't believe it. At least admit to the world that what we have is not accurate. At least be honest to the world that the Bible can't be trusted, only parts.
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I actually believe the NASB Bible is far more accurate and truthful than the KJV...I still compare and contrast with the KJV but it is not the version I preach or teach out of...partly because we should be sharing the gospel at the 6th grade level or below, that is where most if not all people relate...you cannot do that with the KJV without causing confusion by trying to redefine words they know are not used any more or worse don't mean the smae thing anymore...
This does not mean I am attacking the KJV Bible, it means I have my own preference of Bible version and I am certainly not going to hell for it, or even be questioned by Jesus for it....
What bothers me are guys like you that attack us for no reason...why can't you simply say, I have my preference and you have yours...nope, you KJO guys have made it a doctrinal issue and now some like Jack Chick are making it a salvation issue...
You defend a translation and version above what is inside the covers....
This does not mean I am attacking the KJV Bible, it means I have my own preference of Bible version and I am certainly not going to hell for it, or even be questioned by Jesus for it....
What bothers me are guys like you that attack us for no reason...why can't you simply say, I have my preference and you have yours...nope, you KJO guys have made it a doctrinal issue and now some like Jack Chick are making it a salvation issue...
You defend a translation and version above what is inside the covers....
Here's the gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV:
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Not really hard to understand, even for a 6th grader. Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He rose again. That's the gospel message.
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Not really hard to understand, even for a 6th grader. Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He rose again. That's the gospel message.
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There is the answer IMO. The Holy Spirit stopped working after KJV? He tells ALL to go get the KJV to get His truth?
He can work through the fallible KJV and the fallible NASB version to get HIS truth to those who are limited on their versions and cannot have KJV or 30 different versions to work with.
And you and I line up on about every big doctrine there is............and I use the NASB.
He can work through the fallible KJV and the fallible NASB version to get HIS truth to those who are limited on their versions and cannot have KJV or 30 different versions to work with.
And you and I line up on about every big doctrine there is............and I use the NASB.
What about the doctrine of justification. I believe a man is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ through believing the gospel. The NASB totally changes the faith of Christ to faith in Christ. That's HUGE! The faith of Christ is God's righteousness. The faith of Christ is imputed to those that believe. Do you not see the difference? One word changes the entire doctrine of justification.
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I agree with you brother. And it took study from the original language and not the KJV for me. We are saved by the faith of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Just look at Romans 8:1. It takes the study of the original language to see that KJV misplaced the latter part of the verse.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.PERIOD....................................................................................................... Those who walk after the flesh after salvation are disciplined , lose rewards, lose rank and have shame at the JSOC.
Just look at Romans 8:1. It takes the study of the original language to see that KJV misplaced the latter part of the verse.
There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.PERIOD....................................................................................................... Those who walk after the flesh after salvation are disciplined , lose rewards, lose rank and have shame at the JSOC.
So meantime, we can lay aside the doctrine of salvation, since we have one thing in common and I hope we are going to see face to face in heaven before Christ. Now we come to the doctrine of bibliology, and in so far we are discussing versions. I hope this is clear and let’s not attack personally. No it’s not Jack T. Chick that created divisive doctrinal issues. They defend the KJV with the surmounting attacks on various doctrinal issues. It’s good that you may not be going to hell, that’s great but because many of the versions no longer teach hell or tampered or altered the teaching of hell since then many goes to hell.
By saying NASB as your preference, that’s good but telling it “far more accurate and truthful than the KJV” sounds KJV is no longer truthful and accurate. KJV issue is not new , but, I would do nothing now, it’s you to prove it why so saying that NASB is far more truthful and accurate, we should know that. But when God’s word is undermined then we need to defend but sometimes it’s not all that we are going to do for sometimes the best defense is offense.
Now to “the Rock of Biblical Honesty” I’ll go for such thing, honest to goodness because “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” Deut. 32:4. But when lies have been put in, that’s where dishonesty begins.
So, my plea is how truthful and accurate is NASB “far more” than the KJV and you have to clear this issue. It’s all yours to demonstrate.
God bless
By saying NASB as your preference, that’s good but telling it “far more accurate and truthful than the KJV” sounds KJV is no longer truthful and accurate. KJV issue is not new , but, I would do nothing now, it’s you to prove it why so saying that NASB is far more truthful and accurate, we should know that. But when God’s word is undermined then we need to defend but sometimes it’s not all that we are going to do for sometimes the best defense is offense.
Now to “the Rock of Biblical Honesty” I’ll go for such thing, honest to goodness because “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” Deut. 32:4. But when lies have been put in, that’s where dishonesty begins.
So, my plea is how truthful and accurate is NASB “far more” than the KJV and you have to clear this issue. It’s all yours to demonstrate.
God bless
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People keep saying that about other English translations, but I just don't see it. Also, the NASB is far more accurate than the KJV, but both are God's Word. The NASB is a more accurate translation because it works from older copies of the Hebrew and Greek (and perhaps Aramaic). 400+ years have passed since the KJV was published and much more has been revealed through archaeology, truthful biblical scholarship etc.
if this is the case then what does the Holy Spirit teach that faith in Christ is?
doesn't it teach you that that faith is in His faithfulness toward us?
so that whether you have heard that we are saved by the faith of Christ or by faith in Christ, the meaning is not at all changed; we are saying the same thing?
or isn't one of the arguments being floated around here seriously that Arminianism is a direct result of non-KJV Bible use?
((because Arminius was Dutch, did not read the Bible in English at all, and lived from 1560-1609 . . . ))
doesn't it teach you that that faith is in His faithfulness toward us?
so that whether you have heard that we are saved by the faith of Christ or by faith in Christ, the meaning is not at all changed; we are saying the same thing?
or isn't one of the arguments being floated around here seriously that Arminianism is a direct result of non-KJV Bible use?
((because Arminius was Dutch, did not read the Bible in English at all, and lived from 1560-1609 . . . ))