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[eph610]

So meantime, we can lay aside the doctrine of salvation, since we have one thing in common and I hope we are going to see face to face in heaven before Christ. Now we come to the doctrine of bibliology, and in so far we are discussing versions. I hope this is clear and let’s not attack personally. No it’s not Jack T. Chick that created divisive doctrinal issues. They defend the KJV with the surmounting attacks on various doctrinal issues. It’s good that you may not be going to hell, that’s great but because many of the versions no longer teach hell or tampered or altered the teaching of hell since then many goes to hell.

By saying NASB as your preference, that’s good but telling it “far more accurate and truthful than the KJV” sounds KJV is no longer truthful and accurate. KJV issue is not new , but, I would do nothing now, it’s you to prove it why so saying that NASB is far more truthful and accurate, we should know that. But when God’s word is undermined then we need to defend but sometimes it’s not all that we are going to do for sometimes the best defense is offense.

Now to “the Rock of Biblical Honesty” I’ll go for such thing, honest to goodness because “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” Deut. 32:4. But when lies have been put in, that’s where dishonesty begins.

So, my plea is how truthful and accurate is NASB “far more” than the KJV and you have to clear this issue. It’s all yours to demonstrate.

God bless

When I say more truthful and accurate I mean it is translated closer to the intent the Holy Ghost moved upon people to write.

Case in point is Philippians 3.20

KJV says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

NASB says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;

Which one is far more truthful and accurate?

NASB without doubt, because Paul is not talking about a verbal conversation in Heaven...he is talking about our citizenship in heaven and ironically so is the KJV because the greek word for conversation in the KJV literally means the commonwealth of citizens...

Yet I hear KJO pastors telling people that the correct interpretation of Phil 3.20 means that our verbal conversation is in heaven...who is distorting the Word and destroying doctrine now?


I find KJO followers and advocates to be very simple minded people, that argue against Bible Schools or any other formal Christian education or self serving Bible study, because it is all of the devil, because God preserved everything we need in the KJV.....In the book of Proverbs the voice of wisdom cries out against this naive foolishness....

This is one of hundreds of examples of why the KJO movement is a cult and have turned version into an Idol...

 

[John146]

FWIW, If you think Jesus' own faith saved you, and that is imputed on you and then you get saved, you have larger issues to deal with than version defense....

Romans 3:21-22 (KJV)21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

One must first believe the gospel of Christ and then the faith of Christ which is God's righteousness is given unto them.

Galatians 3:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[eph610]

Romans 3:21-22 (KJV)21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

One must first believe the gospel of Christ and then the faith of Christ which is God's righteousness is given unto them.

Galatians 3:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

So what faith does Jesus have that saved you? Are stating what many KJO folks state that man has never been given a measure of faith? If your answer is yes, don't reply...we will simply waste time attempting to convince each other of a position we don't hold to...

You are now saying that mans faith does not save him...we are done...

 

[posthuman]

One says he rose

One says he was raised.

By what power?

One implies under his own power.

I like that.

If He raised Himself by His own power what hope would that give to mortals? But He set aside His glory and lived as a man, exactly as a man, fully.

... a man with the Spirit of God given without measure, resting on Him. As John the baptizer witnesses of Him.

It was by this Spirit that He was raised - check Romans 8:11 in any version, ESV or KJV or in Indonesian or whatever. And having given to us also of the same spirit, we have this sure and perfect hope and absolute confidence, since by that very same spirit we take part in His death, we also shall be raised in Him. And how much more than raised from the dead! We will know Him and live with Him!!!

Yes, He rose. He is Lord!
Yes, He was raised. He became a man!
Yes, He is risen. He is the Messiah!

You don't need a specific magical translation to have this certain and steadfast hope or to know this: you need that spirit that testifies if Him

 

[fredoheaven]

When I say more truthful and accurate I mean it is translated closer to the intent the Holy Ghost moved upon people to write.

Case in point is Philippians 3.20

KJV says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

NASB says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;

Which one is far more truthful and accurate?

NASB without doubt, because Paul is not talking about a verbal conversation in Heaven...he is talking about our citizenship in heaven and ironically so is the KJV because the greek word for conversation in the KJV literally means the commonwealth of citizens...

Yet I hear KJO pastors telling people that the correct interpretation of Phil 3.20 means that our verbal conversation is in heaven...who is distorting the Word and destroying doctrine now?


I find KJO followers and advocates to be very simple minded people, that argue against Bible Schools or any other formal Christian education or self serving Bible study, because it is all of the devil, because God preserved everything we need in the KJV.....In the book of Proverbs the voice of wisdom cries out against this naive foolishness....

This is one of hundreds of examples of why the KJO movement is a cult and have turned version into an Idol...

Thank you and you have just offered your seeming “far more truthful” NASB. But I can just reject out right your slant regarding your statement concerning KJO movement as a cult and have turned version into idol by virtue of simple gnat straining of yours which can be easily understood by a Filipino bible believer and which is not a fairly, squarely demonstration of a “far more truthful and accurate” NASB as you supposed. A bible believer can simply response or demonstrate in the scriptures to your straw man of “version worship” at the least you will be able to note this one which is found in Revelation 22: 9

"Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

The real Bible believer can simply keep what God says and believe in what God keeps. He does not worship the book; we worship the author of the book!

Now, for your Phil. 3:20 on what basis the KJV distort the Word and what doctrine is being destroyed? In which case you did not even fairly demonstrated, howbeit you did somehow explain a bit and that KJV still correct in regards to “conversation” vs “citizenship”. Let me add, using Mr. Strong definition as sort of reference but not a Final Authority says of the Gk. πολίτευμα políteuma, pol-it'-yoo-mah; from G4176; a community, i.e. (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively):—conversation. So according to Mr. Strong, the Greek “theoretically” means citizenship and that’s NASB, however, figuratively used as “conversation” and that’s the KJB.

Well, let’s see your theory if it well go correctly using your NASB and figuratively used by the KJB.
NASB says:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;


Apostle Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost wrote the epistle during his imprisonment to the believers at Philippi. So in writing that this theory of “citizenship in heaven” would put Paul a liar! This is in fact in contrast to his citizenship being a Roman of a Jewish descent Acts 22:28; Phil 3:4-5. He could not have said that to begin with. If the theory that Apostle Paul citizenship is in heaven, why do he and the Philippian believers needs to “eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ”. The theory does not fit it well. Look now what about the KJV:

KJV says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:


Figuratively as in the moment, every believer’s state or “conversation” is in heaven as every born again bible believer from here on earth is going there! Henceforth, we look for our Lord Jesus Christ face to face and that’s specifically speaks of heaven as a dwelling place for all believers.

So your theory does not speak well to you and to the believers but as seen in the KJV, of nature I am going to that city of the pure gold.

 

[John146]

So what faith does Jesus have that saved you? Are stating what many KJO folks state that man has never been given a measure of faith? If your answer is yes, don't reply...we will simply waste time attempting to convince each other of a position we don't hold to...

You are now saying that mans faith does not save him...we are done...

Hebrews 11:1, Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

You need to look no further than the cross for the evidence of my justification. The evidence of Christ' faith is in what He accomplished at the cross. He imputed His faith to me the moment I believe the gospel of His death, burial and resurrection for my sins. The righteousness of God is found in Christ's faith and the evidence...is the cross.

My individual faith is found in how I live out my Christian life now that I've been justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. The evidence of my individual faith can been seen in the works of my life through the help of the Holy Spirit. My walk is weak sometimes and so is the evidence. My walk is strong sometimes and so is the evidence. My faith waivers. Praise the Lord my justification is not dependent upon such a wavering faith. Christ's faith never waivers!

 

[eph610]

Thank you and you have just offered your seeming “far more truthful” NASB. But I can just reject out right your slant regarding your statement concerning KJO movement as a cult and have turned version into idol by virtue of simple gnat straining of yours which can be easily understood by a Filipino bible believer and which is not a fairly, squarely demonstration of a “far more truthful and accurate” NASB as you supposed. A bible believer can simply response or demonstrate in the scriptures to your straw man of “version worship” at the least you will be able to note this one which is found in Revelation 22: 9

"Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."

The real Bible believer can simply keep what God says and believe in what God keeps. He does not worship the book; we worship the author of the book!

Now, for your Phil. 3:20 on what basis the KJV distort the Word and what doctrine is being destroyed? In which case you did not even fairly demonstrated, howbeit you did somehow explain a bit and that KJV still correct in regards to “conversation” vs “citizenship”. Let me add, using Mr. Strong definition as sort of reference but not a Final Authority says of the Gk. πολίτευμα políteuma, pol-it'-yoo-mah; from G4176; a community, i.e. (abstractly) citizenship (figuratively):—conversation. So according to Mr. Strong, the Greek “theoretically” means citizenship and that’s NASB, however, figuratively used as “conversation” and that’s the KJB.

Well, let’s see your theory if it well go correctly using your NASB and figuratively used by the KJB.
NASB says:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;


Apostle Paul by the inspiration of the Holy Ghost wrote the epistle during his imprisonment to the believers at Philippi. So in writing that this theory of “citizenship in heaven” would put Paul a liar! This is in fact in contrast to his citizenship being a Roman of a Jewish descent Acts 22:28; Phil 3:4-5. He could not have said that to begin with. If the theory that Apostle Paul citizenship is in heaven, why do he and the Philippian believers needs to “eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ”. The theory does not fit it well. Look now what about the KJV:

KJV says:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:


Figuratively as in the moment, every believer’s state or “conversation” is in heaven as every born again bible believer from here on earth is going there! Henceforth, we look for our Lord Jesus Christ face to face and that’s specifically speaks of heaven as a dwelling place for all believers.

So your theory does not speak well to you and to the believers but as seen in the KJV, of nature I am going to that city of the pure gold.

Funny thing about your comments, The KJV and other versions all state the final destination for us is not Heaven, but the New Jerusalem that comes out of Heaven and is placed on the new earth.....

All the descriptions you call Heaven is not really Heaven, it is the New Jerusalem....your KJV even tells you that...

 

[John146]

Funny thing about your comments, The KJV and other versions all state the final destination for us is not Heaven, but the New Jerusalem that comes out of Heaven and is placed on the new earth.....

All the descriptions you call Heaven is not really Heaven, it is the New Jerusalem....your KJV even tells you that...

The first mention principle sheds light on what "conversation" means in the Bible.

Psalm 37
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

Those who have an upright conversation are the just, the one's who do right according to the LORD. It is a man's manner of living. Our manner of living should be that of one knowing our destination. Why should our conversation be of the world when this is not our home. Our conversation should be heavenly. Manner of speech is only part of our conversation. Our attitude and things we choose to partake in all makes up our conversation.

 

[eph610]

The first mention principle sheds light on what "conversation" means in the Bible.

Psalm 37
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.

Those who have an upright conversation are the just, the one's who do right according to the LORD. It is a man's manner of living. Our manner of living should be that of one knowing our destination. Why should our conversation be of the world when this is not our home. Our conversation should be heavenly. Manner of speech is only part of our conversation. Our attitude and things we choose to partake in all makes up our conversation.

Psalm 37-NASB
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The wicked plots against the righteous
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees his day is coming.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow
To cast down the afflicted and the needy,
To slay those who are upright in conduct.

Psalm 37-KJV or AKJV
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.


If today, you have no previous world view of the Bible, Church or Jesus Christ, and have no understanding of Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, and excel in modern English speaking, reasoning and understanding which version would make better sense to you if this was the first verse you ever read?

I can tell you that if they Picked up a KJV their first question would be, Goodness , does Vs 14 mean I better stop using cuss words and stuff!?!?!

The KJO Bible Believer crowd falsely assume everybody has Biblical world view of some kind and should know the Bible as they do and their false teachers like David Daniels, Jack Chick and Peter Ruckman showed them...

 

[John146]

Psalm 37-NASB
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The wicked plots against the righteous
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees his day is coming.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow
To cast down the afflicted and the needy,
To slay those who are upright in conduct.

Psalm 37-KJV or AKJV
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.


If today, you have no previous world view of the Bible, Church or Jesus Christ, and have no understanding of Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, and excel in modern English speaking, reasoning and understanding which version would make better sense to you if this was the first verse you ever read?

I can tell you that if they Picked up a KJV their first question would be, Goodness , does Vs 14 mean I better stop using cuss words and stuff!?!?!

The KJO Bible Believer crowd falsely assume everybody has Biblical world view of some kind and should know the Bible as they do and their false teachers like David Daniels, Jack Chick and Peter Ruckman showed them...

Bible study is for the Bible Believer crowd. The simple gospel message of Christ is for the world. Once a believer, we are commanded to study to shew ourselves approved unto God workmen who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. It takes workman like attitude to study.

What you lose in most other translations are the word for word connections. Words are important in order to connect other Scriptures together. You don't get that in the ESV. I can connect the word conversation as found in the first mention Psalm 37 and with all other usages.

 

[eph610]

Bible study is for the Bible Believer crowd. The simple gospel message of Christ is for the world. Once a believer, we are commanded to study to shew ourselves approved unto God workmen who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. It takes workman like attitude to study.

What you lose in most other translations are the word for word connections. Words are important in order to connect other Scriptures together. You don't get that in the ESV. I can connect the word conversation as found in the first mention Psalm 37 and with all other usages.

Are you so isolated and glib that you cannot even answer my question?

Or

Is it because the question completely and utterly dismantles what you hold dear, so you are not interested in answering the question and much as having to retreat and defend your traditions and pet doctrine and pet version....

Yeah, I think its the latter John....

 

[John146]

Are you so isolated and glib that you cannot even answer my question?

Or

Is it because the question completely and utterly dismantles what you hold dear, so you are not interested in answering the question and much as having to retreat and defend your traditions and pet doctrine and pet version....

Yeah, I think its the latter John....

I understand the word conduct, yes. I understand the word conversation as well. That's not proving anything.

What about the word "dung"? Why didn't the ESV committee choose an updated word like ****, poop, or crap? Instead they chose rubbish? What's rubbish? "Updating" words in order to create an easier read is rubbish.

 

[Tintin]

Come on! You don't have a leg to stand on. Especially when you go on about studying God's Word and yet those of us who read KVJ-Onlyist non-approved translations already do and you have issues with that because they're not the KJV.

Can you honestly not see that it is the KJV, not Jesus who saves you from sin, death and the devil?

(that was sarcasm, just incase you missed it)

 

[fredoheaven]

Funny thing about your comments, The KJV and other versions all state the final destination for us is not Heaven, but the New Jerusalem that comes out of Heaven and is placed on the new earth.....

All the descriptions you call Heaven is not really Heaven, it is the New Jerusalem....your KJV even tells you that...

Hoho! you aren't able to demonstrate it well again this time about the New Jerusalem, there will be only New Jerusalem when the first Heaven and the first earth were pass away. So for those who have died in Christ is in heaven right now. Your theory fails you again.

Rev 21. 2 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21. 3 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[fredoheaven]

Psalm 37-NASB
[SUP]12 [/SUP]The wicked plots against the righteous
And gnashes at him with his teeth.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]The Lord laughs at him,
For He sees his day is coming.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]The wicked have drawn the sword and bent their bow
To cast down the afflicted and the needy,
To slay those who are upright in conduct.

Psalm 37-KJV or AKJV
12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.


If today, you have no previous world view of the Bible, Church or Jesus Christ, and have no understanding of Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, and excel in modern English speaking, reasoning and understanding which version would make better sense to you if this was the first verse you ever read?

I can tell you that if they Picked up a KJV their first question would be, Goodness , does Vs 14 mean I better stop using cuss words and stuff!?!?!

The KJO Bible Believer crowd falsely assume everybody has Biblical world view of some kind and should know the Bible as they do and their false teachers like David Daniels, Jack Chick and Peter Ruckman showed them...

That will be your opinion but not true. If someone read that, he will further study it why? In his study, he will learned something. That's deeper Christianity not shallow one...

 

[Dino246]

To John146: I'm awaiting a response to my post #156. Other KJVO proponents are welcome to respond thoughtfully, but I am looking for a response from J146 because it addresses other posts he has made.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

That will be your opinion but not true. If someone read that, he will further study it why? In his study, he will learned something. That's deeper Christianity not shallow one...

so the less you understand of a text the deeper it is?
Then you should start reading the bible in Norwegian, that must be profoundly deep for someone not- Norwegian

 

[John146]

To John146: I'm awaiting a response to my post #156. Other KJVO proponents are welcome to respond thoughtfully, but I am looking for a response from J146 because it addresses other posts he has made.

First of all, God does not condemn people to hell because they are not King James Bible only. God can and does save people using a multitude of translations in hundreds of foreign languages. The gospel of salvation through the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ is found in any bible version out there, no matter how incomplete or poorly translated it may be. Christ only promised that the gospel would be preached throughout all the world and it has.

Secondly, God never promised that every nation or individual would have a perfect Bible, but He did promise to preserve His words somewhere on this earth. "Seek ye out of the Book of the LORD and read..." Isaiah 34:16.

God is under no obligation to give equal light or gifts to all people. There was a period of time when for about 2000 years only one small nation had the true and pure words of God. Psalms 147:19-20 says: "He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel. He hath not dealt so with any nation; and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD."

In Matthew 4:4, Jesus says, "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

Where was "Every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" when Jesus said that? There was no New Testament written. The 66 book canon was far from complete when Jesus spoke these words. Every word that they needed to live by was preserved for those living at that time. The Old Testament Scriptures in the Hebrew. But every word of God had NOT YET proceeded from the mouth of God.

Was the word of God preserved when Jesus said that? Absolutely! The word of God has always been preserved. It has not always been complete. There is a difference between "preservation" and "completion."

And so it was with the word of God in English before A.D. 1611. It was preserved; it just wasn't complete in English yet. It had to be made perfect just as the Word incarnate had to be made perfect.

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." Hebrews 5:8.

God sent the Lord Jesus Christ at the perfect time in history. When He completed what He came to do, He said, "it is finished" and then the work was complete. What happened through that work still lives on today.

Just as God did with the INCARNATE Word, so He has done with His WRITTEN Word. God's translation work for the English Bible was completed with the King James Bible. It happened in the fulness of time.

When the Word incarnate came to this earth, He did not come fully grown. Jesus Christ went through stages of development until He reached maturity as a man.

Even though Christ was God incarnate and sinless in nature, yet He still had to LEARN and GROW and BE MADE PERFECT in the sense of being made complete and mature.

"And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Luke 2:52

"Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; " Hebrews 5:8-9.

And so too it was with the Scriptures in the English language, which is the closest thing to a universal language in today's modern world and where the pure words of God exist.

Psalms 12:6-7 say: "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them for ever."

 

[fredoheaven]

so the less you understand of a text the deeper it is?
Then you should start reading the bible in Norwegian, that must be profoundly deep for someone not- Norwegian

Umm, this might be fun but what most Bible Believers here in the Philippines use English and not Norwegian and that's the difference. Maybe I could use as reference your Norwegian Bible if you could teach me or if you are willing to teach me your language... And sure you could give me lessons about Norwegian Bible or post text or reading but do interpret them in English so that your intended purpose or meaning be understood. If you want the deal I am okay with it. Go on! It's all your to post... But this is already an off topic.Hoho

 

[fredoheaven]

To John146: I'm awaiting a response to my post #156. Other KJVO proponents are welcome to respond thoughtfully, but I am looking for a response from J146 because it addresses other posts he has made.

Hi Dino,

I think, the issue is all about the FINAL AUTHORITY! For you should understand that we are not saying we have “ONE” Authority. The Translators of the KJV has this to say which you may have failed to quote and I quote, “we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make a bad one a good one, … but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark”. In short, those authorities of pre KJV English versions of the Bible including the many 5000+ Greek extant mss and Hebrew, Latin and Aramaic were the basis of translation and purifications into what is known as the Authorized Version. The Authorized Version, the KJV being English is the Final Authority for the English speaking people!

Don’t get me wrong, for I sometimes look in the Dictionary, Lexicons and even newer versions but as a reference only and not my FINAL AUTHORITY. SOLA SCRIPTURA!

God bless