"Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christians

[popeye]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Not sure how you are comparing D's comment and mine to your thoughts here. However, IF you are saying that Jesus did not humble Himself before men, you are mistaken.

But that was not the point of my post..........just saying.

D's comment:

a) Not think too highly of yourself
b) Consider yourself a lowly servant only doing that which you have been commanded to do.......

and the Scriptures I posted bear this idea out in my opinion.........

Did you notice I agreed that he did humble himself?

Now,take the other side of the picture I outlined,and show me how Jesus never acted outside humility.

You saying he didn't overthrow the money changers tables,or chastise the Pharisees with authority and wrath?

Show me how he humbled himself to demons when he cast them out.

 

[popeye]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Cessationists remind me of Davids wife. Chastising him over dancing naked before the Lord.

Davids answer " I will even become more vile in my zeal".

She became Barron. No fruit. No increase. No kingdom building.

 

[Depleted]

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No,I dont agree with this at all. There are some churches that get carried away but for the most part Pentecostal churches are as Biblically sound as any other church.Ive been in hundreds of Pentecostal churches and Ive been in every other denomination you can name. There are differences in church governing but most differences are small from denomination to denomination. Ive been in Baptist churches that believe in tongues,Ive been in Methodist churches that believe in tongues. You cant pigeon hole a group of people.

Do you think all the people who come to church are truly Christians? I believe there is a visible church and an invisible church. The visible are all the people who go to church and pastor churches. The invisible are all the ones born again. It is a much smaller group. And this goes across denominations.

So, even in any given church let's not pigeonhole all the people either.

 

[Depleted]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

The problem today is that few go to the Lord, they go to the church. Churches are filled with doctrines that people fill their minds with so the Holy Spirit can't reach them.

They do not acknowledge Christ as God who was in the world from the beginning. They say Christ had a new word for us, apart from the Father so some even question what God wrote in scripture was forever, or for all generations. Even though a large percentage of the NT is repeating the OT, they say we are only under what is new. Some even say that Psalms that tell us about God's properties are wrong, that God is hard and cruel.

The Lord tells us that what goes in our stomach just goes out again. That is not true of what goes in our minds. Wrong ideas can act as poison so the Holy Spirit cannot get through.

I have more faith in God's ability to reach people.

 

[Depleted]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I don't think most churches really accept Christ as God. They say there is a difference between the God of the OT and Christ of the NT. They read mostly the NT, saying it is how things are today without relating what it tells us to the OT, so they are usually pretty mixed up.

They know Christ changed things, but I haven't heard of any church teach what Christ changed.

Once a mind and spirit has been filled with falsehoods they accept, it is very difficult for them to accept the truth. We read of this in the gospels as it tells of Christ and the Pharisees.

I gave up on churches that couldn't explain it. What changed was God's testament. (Testament is another word for contract.) The OT was a contract between God and Man. Man broke it. The NT is a contract between God and God. Jesus fulfilled it.

And, I agree it is hard to rid ourselves of false gospel. God can do that in us though. It's not a poof moment. It's slow progression. I'm still learning stuff that makes me rethink some old teachings I accepted at the time. Then again, that goes back to it's good to find a church that teaches truth early. (Only problem is how do you know you found it if you're new in Christ and don't know the whole of truth yet? lol)

 

[Depleted]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Try going to a Christian church........

Not that easy. This is a Christian site, right? I know people on here who preach the same junk. And, according to half the reaction to the OP, we should accept it to promote unity.

 

[Depleted]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

QUOTE FROM OP:

A third, but less obvious, example, are non-denominational people. I don't belong to a denomination, and the church I attend is non-denominational but belongs to an association.

The big contention with non-denominational people is that others are following people, but not Christ, because of denominational labels. Non-denominational believers claim to only follow Christ. However, it's obvious that many of them hold beliefs that extend outside of the limitations of what Christ taught, and they hold a specific group of beliefs themselves (which include being disgusted with denominations). They become their own little denomination while abhorring the title.

END QUOTE:

Do you have any evidence to support this broad brush condemnation? Or, are you just expressing your own biased view? If so, that's ok, cuz you have a right to, but let us not try and say it is God Truth or some such. It is, after all, simply your biased opinion, is it not?

As for the super-duper thingy, I see some of this also, and do not buy it either. However, your criticism in the OP KINDA gives the impression that you believe yourself to be more enlightened than those you are criticizing.

Just saying........

As did your response.

 

[Depleted]

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I have been on cc for quite a while and an interesting thing I have noticed is people tend to speak and show who they truly are inside on an online forum the tend to speak their hearts true thoughts and tend to show what is truly in their hearts because they are behind a screen. I am sure many of us would not say the horrible things we do to each other face to face, an enemy online may in fact be friend next door.

Anyways as for the super duper Christians many who see themselves as this are often times right in their own minds boastful and speak a lot about their own views and beliefs as if they were the word of God themselves and how dare anyone disagree with them sort of people. Needless to say they think very high of themselves and their statues in God's kingdom.

But the real super duper Christians always speak in kindness and love they don't care to prove anything their humbleness and wisdom of God are clearly seen they are very subtle yet that subtleness speaks far louder the loud boastful super duper christians and yes I didn't capitalize that for a reason. I have seen the super duper Christians on this forum and in your mind as you read this if you assume I am speaking of you then may in fact be fooling yourself however if you don't expect I am speaking of you then you may be more wrong than you realize.

The interesting thing is that Jesus himself said the greatest in the kingdom of God is one who becomes the lowest.

You really need to find a PCA church in your area. You will find boldness preached humbly. No subtleness is required. Clear is the only thing that works for me, because I don't get subtle. And I spent the first 20 years of my walk with Christ trying to be unobtrusive. No one ever got I was a Christian. They thought I was nice. Nice doesn't save.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

Not that easy. This is a Christian site, right? I know people on here who preach the same junk. And, according to half the reaction to the OP, we should accept it to promote unity.

Right, it's supposed to be a Christian site.... but it seems that even denying that Jesus is God is cool now. What a mess.

 

[Depleted]

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No not really, who is to say what is in their hearts? Yes Jesus is God but I don't think Jesus said to be his follower one had to believe he was God. This is the issue with denominations and doctrines what if a person truly has a blazing fire and passion for God and has a heart that is rich in love and who shines the light of Christ in everything they do yet doesn't believe Jesus is God?

If such a church has many people like this in it then are they not a Christian church? is the belief that jesus is God what makes a Christian church? God looks at the heart not the doctine

You like to research stuff. I strongly recommend you study what Jesus said his followers must believe. Because truly truly, he is God is one thing we have to believe.

And you might want to study what God thinks of our hearts. It's not what you think he's thinking. Good word study though.

 

[Depleted]

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he did speak of himself like this but he wasn't saying he was god in that quote he said he was the one who testifies of the father but while I believe he is God I don't feel right deciding if a person is saved by if they believe he was God or not. If a person is on fire for Christ yet doesn't believe or is not sure if he is god does that make them not saved?

You know that humbleness you were just talking about. You've just lost it, because you are now arguing over your pet theory above all else.

John 8:[FONT=&quot]58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.[/FONT]

Jesus calls himself "I am." (Not even "I was.") Jehovah means "I am that I am." The Jews got it enough to pick up stones. Why have you chosen right now to argue about IF Jesus is God?

 

[Depleted]

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Thats right they taught the same 'crap' that Jesus Christ taught. I dont need advice on what religon you think I should change to, because I have these experiences you seem to have missed out on. You act like you are so much wiser but have not experienced or understood what I have. If you can not understand me but I understand you then why would I listen to you?

I don't consider myself very wise at all. So, thank you. Apparently I'm wiser than I thought considering you just proved how unwise you are.

(For the record, I did understand you and I was telling you that God graciously led you to good churches. Now, I change my mind and think you've learned self-righteousness and disdain way too well.)

 

[Blain]

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Well,technically blain "could be " right,in that I was educated about Jesus post salvation. But other believers set me straight right away. And of course I believed them.

Awesome stuff,getting saved. I remember it well.

What I don't get ,is why he is pursuing an obscure straw man.

I don't know what a straw man is but I am not pursuing anything I am merely trying to explain that we cannot assume someone is not christian because of a difference of understanding. I mean I know Jesus is God otherwise he could not forgive sins but a church that denies this does not necessarily get counted out as Christian like many they merely may lack understanding.

I apologize if I seemed to be trying to defending or pursue a straw man perhaps my irritation of how people claim one is not Christian because of a difference in doctrine or understanding caused me to do so I am not above correction or rebuke and so if I have spoken incorrectly then I am willing to receive correction

 

[Blain]

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Thats right they taught the same 'crap' that Jesus Christ taught. I dont need advice on what religon you think I should change to, because I have these experiences you seem to have missed out on. You act like you are so much wiser but have not experienced or understood what I have. If you can not understand me but I understand you then why would I listen to you?

I don't understand this remark. depleted was being friendly and gave good advice and you retaliate with such bitterness?

 

[Blain]

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You know that humbleness you were just talking about. You've just lost it, because you are now arguing over your pet theory above all else.

John 8:[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]58 [/B][/FONT]Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.[/FONT]

Jesus calls himself "I am." (Not even "I was.") Jehovah means "I am that I am." The Jews got it enough to pick up stones. Why have you chosen right now to argue about IF Jesus is God?

If I showed myself to not be humble then I apologize I am human and even I can mess up, but you misunderstand I was not arguing IF jesus was God I was arguing if the belief he was would make one saved or not saved

 

[Blik]

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And, I agree it is hard to rid ourselves of false gospel. God can do that in us though. It's not a poof moment. It's slow progression. I'm still learning stuff that makes me rethink some old teachings I accepted at the time. Then again, that goes back to it's good to find a church that teaches truth early. (Only problem is how do you know you found it if you're new in Christ and don't know the whole of truth yet? lol)

You cannot go to churches to find truth, but to scripture and history. History can also be unreliable for by reporting only one side of something the history can be distorted, even when it is truthful. It takes wise study to find God's message of truth.

I found that people who had studied the deep sea scrolls had learned many truths that had been forgotten because so many centuries separated us from the times scripture speaks of. Anyone I listen to with respect must tie the OT and NT together, never saying that one can be entire truth without the other. If I find a doctrine that does not seem to fit the truth of the Lord I search history to find out where that idea came from and why, I search everything in scripture that applies.

 

[Magenta]

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You cannot go to churches to find truth, but to scripture and history.

The church I attend teaches Truth. Scripture was written by the church.

 

[DiscipleDave]

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Many Charismatics /Pentecostals are lacking knowledge in God's Word-----Many Fundamentals/Evangelicals lacks depth in the Spirit----by this I mean "tools" from God---giftings----healings, miracles, supernatural knowledge, signs & wonders----this aspect of the ministry of Christ is also important---- fruits are #1 ----gifts are expressions of God's love in action...Grace and Peace

The Reason the Gifts of the Holy Spirit of God seem to be nil, among the last days generation, can be found in Scriptures.

Act_5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

Many, and i say MANY, claim they have the Holy Ghost, but no evidence of the Holy Spirit displaying any gifts at all. All because these same FAIL to Obey Him. And what does He command us to do? Love One Another. Is it any wander the Gifts of the Holy Ghost seems to be non-existent with this generation, for who Loves One Another? Doesn't this generation wake up every morning thinking "What can i do for me today?"

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

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I think you're a little confused so let me help you. First of all watch what you say
about Pentecostals.

You say to another watch what you say about Pentecostals, then you say things equally as bad about other denominations.

You can't put Cults and Christians in the same group. Any
religion or religious group that denies the deity of Christ is a cult. Here is a list
of Cult Groups

Your list is in error, if it is a list that denies the deity of Christ.

1. Islam (Denies)
2. Jehovah Witnesses (Do not deny Jesus is the Son of God)
3. Mormons (Do not deny Jesus is the Son of God)
4.Seventh Day Adventists (Do not deny Jesus is the Son of God)
5. Hinduism (Denies)
6. Buddhism (Denies)
7. Scientology (Denies)
8. Church of Christian Scientists (?)
9. Wicca (Witchcraft) [? (Denies)]
10 Roman Catholics because they pray to Mary and that is idol worship (Do not deny Jesus is the Son of God)

JW, Mormons, 7th Day, and Catholics all confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and is what they teach as well. Therefore they should not be on YOUR list of those who deny the deity of Jesus.

There is no other way to be saved but Jesus Acts4:12
I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life no man comes to the Father except
through me John14:6

The four i mentioned above believe this as well.

Buddha can't save you, Allah can't save you, Watchtower tract Society can't save
you, and the pope can't save you. Only Jesus can save you.
Christians need to stop being afraid of the Holy Ghost. Without the power of
the Holy Ghost we wouldn't be able to say no to sin or overcome the Devil.
Acts4:12 But ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon
you. The Bible is God's Word and the final authority. I believe it do you??
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)

Amen.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Infusion]

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I don't understand this remark. depleted was being friendly and gave good advice and you retaliate with such bitterness?

I_was_patted_on_the_head_and_told_oh_when_I_was_your_age_I_did_not_know_anything_either.
Then_told_I_was_unwise_for_my_religon. Then told it was crap.
I did not ask for an opinion about my beliefs which is not known here.
Insulting someone for their religion does not show maturity or wisdom but the opposite.
I was not going to let that go without being corrected. Especially considering it was simply because I experienced something she hasnt. The miracles those kinds of crazy people speak of. Its the only church I have seen real miracles.
And for those who mock those people I really feel bad for. And those who mock me I am thankful for.