Jesus’ Answer To President Trump’s Immigration Ban

[MessageOfTheCross]

And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed. Exodus 17:11

Amalek was to dwell in the land, but not to reign in it. Romans 6:12 says, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies." The command would be unmeaning if the sin nature were not existing in the Christian. The sin nature dwells in a Believer, but dwells and reigns in an unbeliever.

Let me say this again! Do not miss this!

Works of the flesh
Paul tells us this in the 5th Chapter of Galatians. The entire Book of Galatians, but especially the 5th Chapter, is a warning from Paul to the Church at Galatia, which is also meant for us. The warning is that if they place their faith in anything except “Christ and Him Crucified,” that “Christ shall profit you nothing” (Gal. 5:2).

The Apostle goes on to say that if the Believer doesn’t adhere to the Way of the Spirit, which is the Way of the Cross, then works of the flesh will manifest themselves. He said:

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God” (Gal. 5:19-21).

Now let me say it again, because it is so very important:
If the Believer doesn’t understand the Cross of Christ, as it regards Sanctification, then, in some way, one or more of these “works of the flesh” are going to manifest themselves in his life. As stated, such is inevitable! The first four, “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, and lasciviousness,” are obvious and easily understood. But the modern Christian quickly dismisses “idolatry, witchcraft, and heresies,” thinking they do not really apply today.

Let us address that:
First of all, any suggested way of victory other than the Cross of Christ, such as the “Purpose Driven Life,” the “Government of Twelve,” the “Word of Faith,” or “Denominationalism,” etc., constitutes idolatry. In effect, it is the same as Old Testament times, when Israel would begin to worship idols instead of Jehovah. To be sure, Israel actually referred to these idols as Jehovah; but the Lord definitely did not look at it in the same manner! And neither does He look any differently at modern idolatry!
Furthermore, all of this constitutes “heresies,” in which the modern Church abounds.

Let me say it more clearly:
Any doctrine, way, scheme, or direction made up by men, which means it is devised by men and not by God, is constituted by the Lord as “heresy,” which is a “work of the flesh.” Let me say it again, and because it is so very, very important! Any way other than “Christ and Him Crucified” is, in the eyes of God, “heresy.” Once one begins to understand these “works of the flesh,” these things become more obvious.

The hands "upheld" signified total dependence on the Lord. When the Believer is totally depending on the Lord, and what He did for us at the Cross, the victory of Christ belongs to us; otherwise, it doesn't!

Exodus 17:12 says, "But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun."

(The "Stone," as well, is symbolic of Christ. Moses exhaustion portrays the fact that our own efforts soon result in spiritual burn-out. But once we are in God's glorious way [sitting on the Stone], the victory is ours. "Aaron" was a Type of Christ as our Great High Priest, and "Hur," whose name means "light," speaks to us of the Holy Spirit. This is the help afforded the Child of God. But unfortunately, most Christians are trying to hold up their hands [trusting in God] by their own personal strength, which is doomed to failure.)

The Holy Spirit doesn't require much of us, but He does require one thing, and without reservation. Our Faith must be exclusively be in Christ and the Cross, understanding that this is God's Prescribed Order of Victory. When we stay "victory" we are speaking Victory in every capacity, be it spiritual, financial, domestically, physical, etc. God's Prescribed Order of Victory is "the Cross of Christ."

The Way Of The Spirit
Focus: The Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
Object Of Faith: The Cross of Christ (Romans 6:1-14)
Power Source: The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, 11)
Results: Victory (Romans 6:14)

Man's Way
Focus: Works.
Object Of Faith: Performance.
Power Source: Self.
Results: Defeat!

The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

Exodus 17:13 says, "And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword." (The "sword" here is a Type of the Word of God [Eph. 6:17]. The Word of God holds the answer to every single problem which pertains to "Life and Godliness" [2 Peter 1:3-4].)

 

[Silverwings]

I really like this man, even if he is an atheist.

 

[Magenta]

I really like this man, even if he is an atheist.

He is quite articulate in an acerbic self effacing manner

He may not know the Truth of Christ, but he knows the truth of Islam.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

When a person idol of the heart that has been hidden by darkness is exposed by the light of truth they some time get disgruntled.

The same justification they require they want to withhold from someone else. This is not loving others as yourself this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard you do not keep.

 

[prove-all]

(The Gentile, referred to as a "stranger," was placed with the widow and the orphan,
and made the special object of God's care.

In fact, it was on account of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, and the destruction of its inhabitants,
was allowed to take place [Jeremiah 22:3-5].)

What were the sins of Jeroboam

Both houses of Israel were sent into national punishment and banishment
from the Holy Land because they broke God’s Sabbath!

(Jeremiah 29:10), many of the house of Judah returned to the Holy Land
to rebuild the temple, and restore the worship there

The Prophet Nehemiah tells why they had been driven into captive slavery
70 years before[Nehemiah 13:15-18).

The house of Judah was without excuse. They had been warned by the prophets.

“Thus saith the Eternal; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day
neither do ye any work, but hallow ye the sabbath day, as I commanded your fathers…
(Jeremiah 17:21-22, 27).

The house of Judah did not heed it.And burned the house of the Eternal, and the king’s house;
and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire”
(Jeremiah 52:12-13)

WHY Israel Defeated in Leviticus 26: “Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image
to bow down unto it: for I am the Eternal your God. Ye shall keep my sabbaths,
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Eternal” (verses 1-2).

God promised abundant production and wealth, national peace, and national dominance
that would have led to world dominance (verses 3-13). Exodus 12:48 (KJV)
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord,
let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be
as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Numbers 9:14 (KJV)
And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the Lord;
according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof,
so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that
was born in the land.

Leviticus 19:34 (KJV)
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt:
I am the Lord your God.

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“The stranger [Gentiles] that is within thee shall get up above thee very high;
and thou shalt come down very low” (Deuteronomy 28:43).

and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land,
which the Lord thy God hath given thee” (verse 52).

“Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers [Gentiles]
devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers” (verse 7).

 

[Magenta]

When a person idol of the heart that has been hidden by darkness is exposed by the light of truth they some time get disgruntled.

The same justification they require they want to withhold from someone else. This is not loving others as yourself this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard you do not keep.

It sounds like you are attempting to condemn others by a standard
you do not keep. Let us know when you start allowing rapists and murderers
to live with you and your wife and children, if you have wife and children.

 

[Magenta]

I did change what I had originally written, from daughters to children. Pedophiles do not seem to care whether they rape a boy or a girl. Either will do in a pinch. They don't care about the other person. Apparently the immigrant who raped a ten year old boy was eventually let off. Oh, dear, it seems the poor man did not realize that a ten year old boy did not wish to be raped. Please take your time vetting these people. Thank you. Pretending God wants us to live with such abusers is ridiculously offensive in the extreme.

 

[peacenik]

now I'm projecting that you're having a hard time pooping? Is that your go to? Projections...proof...projections....proof. You're as annoying and talentless as a skipping Britney Spears cd.

Good job of taking the exchange down a few levels.




By the way, still waiting for your "proof".

 

[peacenik]

No, I'm suggesting we nuke mecca.

How do you reconcile that with the Bible's teaching to all Christians to always LOVE your enemies and do good for them?

 

[peacenik]

WaPo:

Trump receptive to the idea of immigration reform:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-winner:homepage/story&utm_term=.f8179690b79b



The NY Times also reported this and even wrote that Trump "surpassed" Obama in his quest for reform. I am entirely sure this latter point is entirely accurate but if it is, then this debate has all been for naught as Trump is saying one thing in public but may possibly be doing quite another behind closed doors.

 

[Tommy379]

How do you reconcile that with the Bible's teaching to all Christians to always LOVE your enemies and do good for them?

The same way we reconcile defeating the nazis and Japanese with the bible......... I don't, it just must be done.

 

[kaylagrl]

When a person idol of the heart that has been hidden by darkness is exposed by the light of truth they some time get disgruntled.

The same justification they require they want to withhold from someone else. This is not loving others as yourself this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard you do not keep.[/QUOTE

God told the Israelites to kill the Philistines and Amalekites,wipe them off the face of the earth,why? They were murdering the old and the weak.

Deut "18 how he met you on the way and attacked your rear ranks, all the stragglers at your rear, when you were tired and weary; and he did not fear God"

1 Sam. "2 Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt"


Why did young David kill the giant Goliath? He was mocking his God.I do not believe that God would have us sit by while ISIS slaughters women and children. Many of these Muslim countries take child brides and rape them. Parents were arrested in Pakistan for throwing acid on their daughter for looking at a boy.They let her die in agony,the mother said "she was destined to die this way". No! No!No! A thousand times NO! You can love your enemy and pray they will be saved and still protect innocent lives. ISIS burned young women alive in a cage because they refused to have sex with the men.

There is nothing wrong with protecting the country.We have always given asylum to those that need it.That is not changing.Vetting and keeping the country safe is the right thing to do.Its not as if we have no point of reference.Paris,Germany,Sweden we can see what is happening in those countries.Its not fear,its wisdom,God given wisdom.

 

[Sirk]

Good job of taking the exchange down a few levels.




By the way, still waiting for your "proof".

wouldnt it be easier for you to just make a statement as to where you stand? My guess is you lack the courage of your convictions.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

When a person idol of the heart that has been hidden by darkness is exposed by the light of truth they some time get disgruntled.

The same justification they require they want to withhold from someone else. This is not loving others as yourself this is loving yourself and allowing mercy for yourself, while attempting to condemn others by a standard you do not keep.[/QUOTE

God told the Israelites to kill the Philistines and Amalekites,wipe them off the face of the earth,why? They were murdering the old and the weak.

Deut "18 how he met you on the way and attacked your rear ranks, all the stragglers at your rear, when you were tired and weary; and he did not fear God"

1 Sam. "2 Thus says the Lord of hosts: ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he ambushed him on the way when he came up from Egypt"


Why did young David kill the giant Goliath? He was mocking his God.I do not believe that God would have us sit by while ISIS slaughters women and children. Many of these Muslim countries take child brides and rape them. Parents were arrested in Pakistan for throwing acid on their daughter for looking at a boy.They let her die in agony,the mother said "she was destined to die this way". No! No!No! A thousand times NO! You can love your enemy and pray they will be saved and still protect innocent lives. ISIS burned young women alive in a cage because they refused to have sex with the men.

There is nothing wrong with protecting the country.We have always given asylum to those that need it.That is not changing.Vetting and keeping the country safe is the right thing to do.Its not as if we have no point of reference.Paris,Germany,Sweden we can see what is happening in those countries.Its not fear,its wisdom,God given wisdom.

As I stated before without a answer from you:

FAQ about 9/11 - Fifteen of the 19 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one was from Egypt.

Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%, United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%; Why did President Trump give these countries a free pass to enter the country? Is it because he does business in these countries? The CIA, FBI, NSA, MI6, said Russia hacked the USA elections. Why does Russia get a free pass (Exxon)? President Trump has not paid taxes for 20 years. Why does he get a free pass?

 

[prove-all]

Shiia Iran has been as much of a mythic "threat"
as was Sunni Iraq who it perceived to be its real enemy.

The USA invaded Iran in 1953.
If it was going to take revenge for those crimes,
it sure has taken a long time to do so.

So don't believe the right wing lies -
Iran is not going to threaten the USA. Never has. Never will.

there is profuse evidence that Iran is the king of radical Islam.

That Iran was instrumental in the founding and financing of Hezbollah is widely known.
From its inception in 1985, Hezbollah has looked to Iran for help. Iranian leadership
orchestrated the 1983 Beirut bombings, claiming more than 200 U.S. servicemen’s lives.

The nation extends a heavy influence over Iraq’s government and Shiite militias.
It is the primary sponsor of Bashar Assad’s regime in Syria. In Yemen, it sponsors
the Houthi militia, which recently deposed an American-aligned government.

It has established Hezbollah’s political influence within Lebanon and funded
a military that easily overshadows Lebanon’s government forces.
Iran's Power Play in Lebanon | The National Interest

And in times past, Iran has, in one form or another, collaborated
with al Qaeda and the group that became the Islamic State.

Iranian diplomats sit at negotiating tables with Western authorities—
something the Islamic State can only dream of.

Both the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic State are staunchly Islamic

Islamic State leaders quote eighth-century Muslim authority al-Muhallab, who
declared, “You must use deception in war, for it is more effective than reinforcements.”

Iranian leaders have similarly lied about their nefarious programs
Does Iran lie about its nuclear program? – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
and even bragged about it.
Showdown at U.N.? Iran Seems Calm - News Analysis - NYTimes.com

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned in his March 3 speech to the U.S.
Congress: “To defeat [the Islamic State] and let Iran get nuclear weapons would be
to win the battle, but lose the war.”

Iran Military Budget at Highest Level Since 1979 Islamic Revolution
Thanks to the nuclear deal, Iran’s military is booming like never before.
This year’s budget will reportedly be $15.9 billion, up nearly 65 percent since 2014.

The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (irgc), a group that takes orders directly
from radical Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, will receive the
biggest cash boost, up from $4.5 billion in 2016 to $7 billion this year.
nearly one quarter of Iran’s national budget going to military purchases and payroll.

Thanks to the implementation of the nuclear deal on Jan. 16, 2016, Iran has enjoyed
investments worth billions of dollars from Western countries. That money is now being
funneled into the military of the world’s largest and most deadly state sponsor of terrorism

Iran is also using its military and political power to block Western interests in numerous
theaters. It backs the Houthi rebel group in Yemen as it fights against a Saudi-led and
largely Western-backed coalition.


In Syria, Iran and Russia stamped out American-backed rebels, preserving the regime of
Bashar Assad and embarrassing the United States on the global stage.


In Iraq, Iranian-trained militias are fighting alongside U.S. troops to oust the Islamic State.
Those militias, however, answer to Iran and have said they will turn their guns on American
troops the second Washington challenges Iranian interests there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b11ed7d8d2a_story.html?utm_term=.c7abe5ce4257

America now being the number one state sponsor
of the number one state sponsor of terrorism.

Iran changed nothing in its policies of aggression, subversion and sponsoring terrorism.
It didn’t even say it would reform in any of these areas! Without giving in on anything,
Iran was given all it needed in order to greatly accelerate its race toward getting
the nuclear bomb.

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resent articles about Iran being A threat to the world.

Iran Won’t Stop Till It Reaches Jerusalem
Iran Threatens Missiles on Israel If America Attacks

Iran Names Alleged War Criminal as New Ambassador to Iraq
Iran Is Changing Syria’s Demographics

Can Air Strikes Prevent War With Hezbollah?
America’s History of Paying Ransom to Iran

Iran Considers Establishing Foreign Naval Bases
Iran Victorious in Lebanon’s Presidential Election

Iran backed Houthi Rebels Challenge U.S. Navy in Red Sea

America’s Deadly Nuclear Deal With Iran
Iran Deepens Infiltration of Latin America

Meet Iran’s United Shia Liberation Army
Russia and Iran: The Middle East ‘Axis of Evil’

Funding Hezbollah Reveals Iran’s Interests
Iran Wants to Use More Afghan Refugees in the Battle for Syria

The Worst Foreign-Policy Blunder in American History
Made in America: A Nuclear Middle East

Iran’s President Accuses West of Distorting Atomic Plans
Iran Building Missile and Nuclear Facilities in Syria
The Iran deadline is not a deadline
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Since 1984, the U.S. State Department has designated Iran as a state sponsor
of terrorism. The State Department’s archives of Country Reports on Terrorism
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/index.htm

consistently condemn Iran as “the most active state sponsor of terrorism.”
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2000/2441.htm

And, as the reports note, Iran’s terrorist activities have been increasing.
In 2012, Iran “increased its terrorist-related activity”
https://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2012/209985.htm

and “reached a tempo unseen since the 1990s.”
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2013/05/210103.htm

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Iran is not only a threat to the USA, but also the world.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

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[peacenik]

wouldnt it be easier for you to just make a statement as to where you stand? My guess is you lack the courage of your convictions.

Be a lot easier if you just backed up your hostile declarations with proof. That would readily avert any argument.

Still waiting ....

 

[peacenik]

there is profuse evidence that Iran is the king of radical Islam.

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Iran is not only a threat to the USA, but also the world.

If it were not for Iranian troops fighting in Iraq, ISIS would have overrun the region by now.
The only "threat" they pose is one that is imaginary and fomented for the past 35+ years by those who intend to profit from another war.

 

[peacenik]

The same way we reconcile defeating the nazis and Japanese with the bible......... I don't, it just must be done.

Oh I see, you do not make reconcile the two.

 

[Sirk]

Be a lot easier if you just backed up your hostile declarations with proof. That would readily avert any argument.

Still waiting ....

that's all right. You dont wanna show your cards. That's okay, it's your choice. Slippery frog avatar definitely fits.