Lord we need you! Foundational truths

[JustWhoIAm]

It's good thing that when Jesus comes all flesh will be destroyed and we get new bodies.

Jesus himself is not coming back for at least a mille...

OK NOW you got me arguing. Good job!

 

[Ariel82]

what does that have to do with getting saved? Paul said work out the salvation you have, so it can basically produce fruit. He did not say work hard. So you can get saved.

Perhaps he is moving past that and answering my second question.

When you finish playing "might wolf Hunter" you can join that conversation instead of being burdened to create division and declare how right you are and how wrong. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is,

 

[Ariel82]

Hm. Yeah, and Cyrus was a nonbeliever.

Not arguing, picking your brains.

Some people do things to lead people away from God or to gain power and control over others. Thaw outward appearance looks good but their motives are evil.

God speaks to humanity and calls his people out of all nations and religions to know His truth,

 

[Ariel82]

Jesus himself is not coming back for at least a mille...

OK NOW you got me arguing. Good job!

Sorry, we can't argue tonight. I have run out of rotten tomatoes.

 

[Ariel82]

We don't have to agree 100% with other people, do we? There are always arguments over terms and interpretations and we have good reason not to compromise what we believe a lot of the time but is it something to quarrel over?

I'm thinking the answer lies in submission to God.

No we don't have to argue, but we can speak to each other with respect and love, we can listen and pray and allow room for God to tell us His truth.

 

[Ariel82]

It looks blue.

But I have been told it isn't really blue but colorless.

At sunset it is pink with blue clouds.
.I drew a picture in my i1st grade and told I should draw blue skies and white clouds by the teacher. It made me very sad.

 

[Ariel82]

Then why did he give it to Moses if he already gave it?

Because the world became more corrupt.

 

[Ariel82]

All this talk about law. Yet people do not even understand it, I love how people who keep preaching law and works do not even understand the law taught the basis of grace.

It taught that even the most spiritual man on the earth, The most righteous man, Who spent his days doing the work of God (if he was in Gods will I am not speaking of the ones in Christ's day)

1. could only enter the presence of God once a year.
2. Could only do so AFTER he made sacrifice for his own sins (not even he was good enough to enter the presence of God apart from sacrifice)
3. Had to enter every year, Because all people STILL SINNED (atonement was not complete)
4. Christ fulfilled that in that he gave his life ONCE and sits at the right hand of God (Even though SIN WOULD STILL CONTINUE)

this proves

1. There are no sinless people
2. Apart from the cross. We would still die in our sin because we can not live up to Gods standard
3. If Christs death would not cover us, We would have to return to ani9mal sacrifice for future sin.

As I said, It is the workers who need to learn about the law..

Or maybe,just maybe folks are talking about a different set of laws?

The inward laws God writes in the hearts of His people are different than the outward law give. To a people who rejected even hearing God's voice externally much less internally.

 

[Ariel82]

The funny thing is I thought we believed and followed the same Lord.

So when I am with my brothers and sisters in Christ, are we all deceived
or are we praising the Lord and our saviour.

Now I love people praising the Lord and seeking His face. Because that
is what we are called to do. Now whatever your position is if you praise
Jesus and follow His ways, amen.

I wish you would post more posts like this one and not the others where you slandee others by misrepresenting their veliefs.

 

[Ariel82]

Don't have time to read page 9, can Some one summarise Peter and Grace777 convo?

 

[Ariel82]

True repentance is believing in what Christ has done on the cross and resurrection and not on what we do or don't do.

Repentance has always been turning from sin with sorrow to walk righteously.
Righteous walking is in love, doing the right things, following Gods ways.

Believing in Christ is accepting the eternal sacrifice for sin over the temporary
one through the temple and the priests.

Cults do logical jumps that short circuit the whole system. So dealing with sin
is no longer a behaviour issue, it is just a belief issue and ones behaviour is out
of the cause and effect.

But the whole law is about behaviour, all the prophets talk about behaviour, Jesus
talked about behaviour, the apostles talked about behaviour. To eliminate behaviour
is to become apostate, to no longer follow Christ. Only delusion can make this system
work, like a person sinning in both their language and emotions against another but still
believing they know the Holy Spirit and how to preach love, peace and victory over sin.

So much double speak, taking one line, like we are pure from the day we come to Christ,
while saying it is impossible to be pure. This duality is only from people who lie continually
and just show the face they want to comply with the argument. They have no clue what they
are doing because each contradiction makes perfect sense to them, else they would explode
in disbelief at the fact it is nonsense.

In any argument you both cannot be perfect and flawed at the same time, as they are opposites.
Equally you cannot both be without condemnation and focused on righteousness, while being
convicted of sins constantly and condemning other for their failures, invented or otherwise.
It is just empty, without logic or sense, a kind of self contradicting vortex.

Did you just accuae your opponents of having "cult logic"?

You know this statement "Only delusion can make this system
work, like a person sinning in both their language and emotions against another but still
believing they know the Holy Spirit and how to preach love, peace and victory over sin." could apply to you also,because it's easy to show how you have slandered others, but you excuse your own sin as "misunderstanding" but theirs you condemn and judge harshly as attacks against you and your salvation,while blind to see how your words attack them too?

One can be "perfect" or mature in Christ because you trust God to lead you and you have faith in Him.

However that does not make you sinless. God still chastens His children when we either sin willfully or ignorantly.
In that way you can be perfect in faith and flawed in your ability to hear and obey God's voice.

What is the next two?

 

[Ariel82]

Quote "Equally you cannot both be without condemnation and focused on righteousness, while being
convicted of sins constantly and condemning other for their failures, invented or otherwise."

Yes you can. You have two voices battling for your heart and mind. Can you tell which is from God and to be encouraged and which should be forgive for giving in to tenptaion or not being discerning enough and that needs to be prayed over?

 

[Ariel82]

Don't have time to read page 9, can Some one summarise Peter and Grace777 convo?

3 hours is NOT enough sleep but you cold after giving my daughter all my warm weather things; extra sleeping bag, scarf, mittens. Gave the dog 2 scarves.,,,brrr why is it so cold?

3:25 am still too early to start a fire, maybe 2 more hours?

 

[Ariel82]

1. There are no sinless people
2. Apart from the cross. We would still die in our sin because we can not live up to Gods standard
3. If Christs death would not cover us, We would have to return to ani9mal sacrifice for future sin.

As I said, It is the workers who need to learn about the law..

Scripture shows us without communion with God we die in our sins.
God shows that through sacrifice, repentance and confession we can get right with God.

The cross showed us God true heart and brought heaven to earth if we open up and
allow Christ to change us through repentance and following His ways.

Christ death gave us the door to cleansing and victory, if we then walk within its
boundaries.

Now what convinces me about experience above anything is those who have experienced
Christ moving and transforming them consistently know repentance and confession conquering
sin and changing them. Those who have failed to find this communion have resolved to
demolish it all and claim their twilight existance is what Christ intended.

All it is is constantly bringing everything back to salvation, and they are saved by faith and
all else are lost. But this is all they have, nothing else has a focus because the rest leads
to different conclusions which they can never face.

See I have issues with this post becaus you have judged and condemned people based on the fact they don't like how you define the gospel.

Because you judge and condemn and make sure they know you are condemning them, they use your logic and judgement to condemn YOU because you don't agree with their definition of the gospel.

So you both know what you believe but have a false concept of what the other personbelieves,


But instead of following the teachings of Christ and being gentle and kind and loving with one another.

You both decide to willfully sin (it might have initially been ignorant but now is quite willfull, though you justify it away as not sin because who likes to admit that they have sinned?),

You willfully sin by instead of explaining more fully what you believe and listening and trying to understand what they believe and praying that God help you both are the truth,you both choose to fight and bicker and slander and xjidge and condemn one another for over a year (i hear but haven't really been paying attention)

So yeah, both "sidws" of the debate has hypocrites who play victim when they attack and slander just as bad as the one they accuae of attacking them.

This post is meant as a rebuke,but will either be viewed as. And attack or "unrighteous" because it does t prop up a d encourage withers self righteous pride, which we have many cheerleaders guilty of being.

Egging on the fight instead of seeking peace and reconcilitatiion between their siblings as God has commanded,

 

[Ariel82]

There are "fruits" of repentance ( changing the mind )

To us believers it means to change our mind to stop relying on ourselves and our thinking and turn to God. Stop living our own life with our own thinking and come to Christ and let His life live through and in you. Receive all that Jesus did for us in His finished work.

Jesus said it best. "Repent and believe the gospel". Mark 1:15

We should be repenting ( changing how we think towards something ) constantly as we see the Lord's true nature, love and grace revealed to and in us.

However "stop sinning" will be a fruit of having already repented ( changed your mind to trust in the gospel which is Christ )

Yes... this includes how we view sinning in all it's forms from living the homosexual lifestyle to exhibiting malice, deceit and the slandering of others in the body of Christ.

There will always be "fruits" of having a changed mind ( having already repented ) to God but the "fruit" is not the repentance within itself. True repentance is the "root" before the "fruit" comes.

The fruit will manifest itself in the form of having a changed heart because we are a new creation in Christ. This will also show in behavior as the life of Christ transforms our outward life to reflect what has already happened in our inner man - that new creation in Christ.

So you are saying faith in Jesus and what He has done for us,will change how we view sin (as fun to aomething harnful) and thus will cause us to change our sinful behavior?

 

[Ariel82]

The law gives us instruction on how to stay out of trouble. The Lord gave us the law for our own benefit.

Can you define which law you refer too, eG only knows of the law of MOsES apparentkg,,,,,

 

[Ariel82]

The only people I know saying slander is you guys. For no good reason you declare
people unbelievers, even when they trust and follow Jesus.

You claim not to be able to see the heart, yet to claim definatively this group are ok
and this group are not. That is called situational ethics, where for the sake of an argument
you will deny a position and then the next argument because it suits you take the position.

It means you lie, constantly both about what you believe and why, and what you stand for.
It is like becoming legion and showing whatever fits for the moment. Now it does not work
when all the faces are put together in one place. It is why I literally rarely read the contributions
other than to see which face is being painted now. Because if I believed that was the position,
next post it might be the opposite.

It is why someone can say you do not know what I believe, because today it might be the opposite
of yesterday or tomorrow. I have met another shape shifting faith like this, and they are very
successful because everyone believes the picture they see, because it is the reflection of what the
hoped they would see and truth is irrelevant.

You are a slander and have judged and condemned as a two faced lying deceiving person who changes his position to suit his audience and doesn't really have a stance,

You are wrong but too blind to see if,

You will deny that you are wrong because then you would have to practice what you preach instead of feeling self righteous indignation,

Stop though and ask your self,what if I am wrong? What I just called one of God's beloved children those awful names because of my own ignorance and inability to understand what he was talking about. What if he has been saying the same message all this time but because of my own log, I have just begin to see what he means.

What if he really is a child of God and I am the one who is attacking and falsely accusing the brethen?

So God lays the choice before you;

Do you chose peace, love and blessings for your self and others?
.or do you chose to continue to willfully sin, slander and justify your sins by lying to yourself that you see but all your other brothers and sisters are blind(except of course those who also enjoy attacking versus actually liatening, praying and talking)?

 

[Ariel82]

The funny thing is I thought we believed and followed the same Lord.

So when I am with my brothers and sisters in Christ, are we all deceived
or are we praising the Lord and our saviour.

Now I love people praising the Lord and seeking His face. Because that
is what we are called to do. Now whatever your position is if you praise
Jesus and follow His ways, amen.

After your rants, I find this hard to believe. Sounds like double speak after calling than two faced liars and claiming that you are innocent of slander....sorry your words reveal more of how you act than how those you are accusing behave.

I don't like judging or condemning people but if we used your standard on your words and behavior, you would stand condemned of being a sladerer and attacking Christians attempting to share God's love and wisdom with one another.

You ever rebuke Stephen for calling me "fake as a 3 dollar bill" because your words remind ,e that you might secretly agree with him.

That you might be accusing me also with your words.

If so .,,,ny position on.certain scriptures might change as God reveals his truth and knowledve to me.

I know in the last I believed false doctrines and thought people were attacking me when they weren't.

God showed me my spiritual strongholds and that their hearts were filled with love for me even when their words were harsh and confusing.

So is changing one's beliefs a bad thing of one grows closer to God and His truths each day?

 

[Ariel82]

Nope just checked, no rebuke.

Of course the worldly mindset never rebukes their buddies.

They don't believe in impartial judgement or know what it was a to bless those who curse you.
.instead they more often curse those who bless them.

When you feel someone has hurt you, do you attack back?


That is the way of the world. It wants you to attack and not forgive, to remain chained to your hurt, to constantly bring up how they have hurt you and what people "they" are.

God says, He is working on them too. They like you are imperfect people and need forgiveness. Did you deserve Goda forgiveness? Do they dwaerbe yours?

The answer to the first is always NO AND THE second is depends.....yes for some situations and no for others.

It is easy to forgive when the person asked for forgiveness, but what if they don't deserve to be forgiven? What if they dont repent?

God says forgive the, anyway.

Before you repented I sent Jesus to die for you, I called you to me, I gave you faith to believe. All of this is part of my grace. I command you to give Grace and to forgive and bless those who don't deserve it.

In that way my love will be shown and all will know You are my children.


Paraphrased, but I can look up bible verses if needed.

 

[PeterJens]

See I have issues with this post becaus you have judged and condemned people based on the fact they don't like how you define the gospel.

Adding to Christs work, heresy, works salvation, evil, legalism.
The point of being in the Kingdom is to add to Christs work, to be
Christs work to the world, to be His body exclaiming His love and praise
everywhere.

For it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
Phil 2:13

To be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.
Eph 1:10

being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Phil 1:6

For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Eph 2:10

He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.
2 Tim 1:9

Jesus's work goes on, His act of redemption on the cross is finished, the
work among His body continues until all is complete.