Leadership or Manipulation?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
I know how close to having an accident things got and so I praise God for His warning in my Spirit. God IS good!

I could list many things that God has protected me in and from.

He is my fortress and my shield

thanks EG for your kind remarks. you are encouraging.

I do have some things I would like to add and I guess I will, after I get some stuff done around the house. can't stand a mess LOL!

Look forward to it.. and look forward to further discussion.. Hope the mess is not too bad!..lol
 

Jimbone

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2014
2,905
920
113
44
I can see it can be difficult to get to the point on just about anything around here

when I was a kid, we used to say act your age and not your shoe size

the last page and half is not even a conversation

I mean I don't think anyone should be shut down, but Stephen? I found this really cool expression I thought you might like to add as your signature



You know what? I was just thinking about how sad this thread is and how I couldn't understand why you guys don't get along because you ALL seem like arguing and condemning each other is your favorite thing to do to each other. You are all acting the same way condemning each other for acting that way. And all the people up in arms over others calling out false teachers by name, you are calling out people here by name, what is the definition of hypocrite again?

All I'm saying is this jab you just threw at Stephen can be applied to every person in this thread the last 5 pages. Wow, we are the body huh?
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
I can see it can be difficult to get to the point on just about anything around here

when I was a kid, we used to say act your age and not your shoe size

the last page and half is not even a conversation

I mean I don't think anyone should be shut down, but Stephen? I found this really cool expression I thought you might like to add as your signature


Yeah..... you'd want me to shut up, wouldn't you?

Like I said before, you Hyp******e & OSAS folks attack & ridicule those that cause your doctrine the most damage.

Me, stop posting on heresy? NOTTAGONNAHAPPEN.;)
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
you are the only person in the history of forever that has that view

Jesus was not calling Peter the devil. people might be full of the devil but there is just one devil although I will grant you, he seems to be very busy

I suspect it may be because of your apparent ongoing tea for two party with Grace

hope you two aren't neighbors in heaven

oh wait. one of you probably thinks the other one won't get there anyway

please close the door behind you

How can I say this..... CAN'T YOU READ?!?

The word for Satan here means "adversary".

If your're gonna post, you ought to at least be accurate.....

As for your problem with G777 & I..... are you jealous? Do you want a dance partner?

Just a little piece of advice..... If you're gonna dance, be ready to pay the fiddler.;)
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
I'm not sure I like providing a platform for immature brats to have a fight

you have steered so far off the op, that wild horses might as well have dragged it off

wild horses

probably a lot prettier than this mess

ok. enough of me. enjoy the fight
Better that wild horses drag it off than a jack*** trying to control it.:eek:
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
as for the thread, I never made the points I wanted to make because every time I came on, there was a fight going on or some inane stupid remark and I thought 'what's the point'

pages of nothing achieved, no proper discussion, people slinging rocks because of a personal grudge and someone saying I am full of myself because I thanked a couple of people for reps

bunch of prima donnas

I genuinely like a good discussion, but that would involve people putting themselves aside and being honest

thank God, this forum is not the only place I can discuss, or try to discuss
Yet here you are, doing your projection on others.

Yeah.....
 
S

sevenseas

Guest
You know what? I was just thinking about how sad this thread is and how I couldn't understand why you guys don't get along because you ALL seem like arguing and condemning each other is your favorite thing to do to each other. You are all acting the same way condemning each other for acting that way. And all the people up in arms over others calling out false teachers by name, you are calling out people here by name, what is the definition of hypocrite again?

All I'm saying is this jab you just threw at Stephen can be applied to every person in this thread the last 5 pages. Wow, we are the body huh?


stephen's responses have consistantly been argumentative and anything but helpful

he argues with one person in particular

getting along with everyone is not the point of this thread

that is not even a biblical concept

someone like stephen needs to step back and examine his heart. he is out of control

you might actually be fair and see that the only time contention arises is when he posts

he absolutely needs to stop talking

he appears to be an immature individual who calls names and makes smart aleck remarks
 
S

sevenseas

Guest
All I'm saying is this jab you just threw at Stephen can be applied to every person in this thread the last 5 pages. Wow, we are the body huh?
that is nonsense

most responders here have been decent

actually, the ones who appear to be controllers and expect everyone to kow tow to them are the ones objecting

sorry, but you are wrong in what you say. a topic may not be something people agree on, but when the name calling starts and in the case of stephen, attacking one person and putting a thread off topic, then it becomes plain that the person doing that is a bully

that is another way to control. bully people, mock them, attack them, call names

all of those are tactics that Christians should not participating in

I think it is absolutely fine to tell someone they should stop talking if they are being rude, abusive, aggresive and trying to take over a thread they did not start

fyi, shaming people is another way to try to control.
 

Jimbone

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2014
2,905
920
113
44
that is nonsense

most responders here have been decent

actually, the ones who appear to be controllers and expect everyone to kow tow to them are the ones objecting

sorry, but you are wrong in what you say. a topic may not be something people agree on, but when the name calling starts and in the case of stephen, attacking one person and putting a thread off topic, then it becomes plain that the person doing that is a bully

that is another way to control. bully people, mock them, attack them, call names

all of those are tactics that Christians should not participating in

I think it is absolutely fine to tell someone they should stop talking if they are being rude, abusive, aggresive and trying to take over a thread they did not start

fyi, shaming people is another way to try to control.
So it's just everyone else right? You may be right, but you were one of the main ones I was referring to, so what's YOUR excuse. You call someone out for calling people out. Take a look at your own comments here before trying to drag me into it.

Why don't YOU practice what you preach and take a break and think about your own actions instead of trying to attack me because some here weren't acting like you were, and are.
 

Jimbone

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2014
2,905
920
113
44
that is nonsense

most responders here have been decent

actually, the ones who appear to be controllers and expect everyone to kow tow to them are the ones objecting


sorry, but you are wrong in what you say. a topic may not be something people agree on, but when the name calling starts and in the case of stephen, attacking one person and putting a thread off topic, then it becomes plain that the person doing that is a bully

that is another way to control. bully people, mock them, attack them, call names

all of those are tactics that Christians should not participating in

I think it is absolutely fine to tell someone they should stop talking if they are being rude, abusive, aggresive and trying to take over a thread they did not start

fyi, shaming people is another way to try to control.
And if calling out your blatantly confrontational behavior because it reflects poorly on Christ is manipulation, then I'm guilty as charged.

Why does it seem the biggest proponents of grace seem to show the least amount of it when someone disagrees?
 
S

sevenseas

Guest
So it's just everyone else right? You may be right, but you were one of the main ones I was referring to, so what's YOUR excuse. You call someone out for calling people out. Take a look at your own comments here before trying to drag me into it.

Why don't YOU practice what you preach and take a break and think about your own actions instead of trying to attack me because some here weren't acting like you were, and are.

so let's see

you have not even participated in the thread but you wish to take me behind the shed and spank me

I don't agree with bullies and manipulators and I also don't agree with your blatant attempt at shaming

there is a tendency in these forums to gang up on people

let's see now. your first comment is to berate me. I respond. now you say I am dragging you into something and attacking you

I guess I was supposed to whimper and fold.

ironic

and very childish. done and thank you
 

Jimbone

Senior Member
Aug 22, 2014
2,905
920
113
44
so let's see

you have not even participated in the thread but you wish to take me behind the shed and spank me

I don't agree with bullies and manipulators and I also don't agree with your blatant attempt at shaming

there is a tendency in these forums to gang up on people

let's see now. your first comment is to berate me. I respond. now you say I am dragging you into something and attacking you

I guess I was supposed to whimper and fold.

ironic

and very childish. done and thank you
Well I didn't want to because I was embarrassed about how it going, but will not let you suck me into this pointless, unending, and just plain childish back and forth you seem to love so much. I hope you have a great night and may God bless you and your family. Continue the family feud I'm going to practice what you preach.
 
S

sevenseas

Guest
Look forward to it.. and look forward to further discussion.. Hope the mess is not too bad!..lol


ok EG. it is apparent that some people need some chocolate or something as they are just not themselves when they are angry. maybe they are hangry LOL!

will just continue on then. unless the detractors get the thread shut down, which, it seems, may be the purpose of at least one person that is now sadly on ignore

read the following and agree with it

Manipulation is what happens when we influence someone to do something and only we benefit from their actions.

Leadership, in contrast, works to ensure that both parties benefit.

I think that is a really good contrast and summation, easy to remember and I find it true
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
I don't know.

I follow Jesus and don't see how He benefits from it.

True authority comes from God and causes people to become closer to being the people God expects them to be, the people God created them to be.

He calls us to have heavenly wisdom that display impartiality, kindness, gentleness and other fruit that grows when we walk with the Holy Spirit: love,joy, peace, self control.
 
A

Ariel82

Guest
I always wonder: where are leaders leading you?

We follow Jesus and submit to those we believe have authority over us and our lives.

People can try and manipulate us, but as someone mentioned, we have a choice in how we respond. We can chose to blame others for our actions or take responsibility and learn self control.

We had a discussion in college about the nature of evil and responsibility.
.the term "when Good people do nothing...", there was talk about Hilter and camps.

Just wanted to throw it out there that God calls us to a higher authority when the worldly one does not meet his standards.
.that is why Christians stood against slavery and other human rights violations,
 
Last edited by a moderator:
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
ok EG. it is apparent that some people need some chocolate or something as they are just not themselves when they are angry. maybe they are hangry LOL!

will just continue on then. unless the detractors get the thread shut down, which, it seems, may be the purpose of at least one person that is now sadly on ignore

read the following and agree with it

Manipulation is what happens when we influence someone to do something and only we benefit from their actions.

Leadership, in contrast, works to ensure that both parties benefit.

I think that is a really good contrast and summation, easy to remember and I find it true

I always had a saying, The best leaders are the best followers. If you do not know how to follow... You have no business leading.. You lead by example. not words..
 
Jan 27, 2013
4,769
18
0
i all way quote, that your not teaching other to follow any man. when man can save him self, then why dose he need human approval.

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2

42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10:
 
S

sevenseas

Guest
i all way quote, that your not teaching other to follow any man. when man can save him self, then why dose he need human approval.

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2

42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."Acts 10:


these words the Holy Spirit can make so real as if you were there

dry words with no Spirit do not give life

where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

where the desire to control is, every word is inspected, every motive is cross examined and jealousy and every kind of selfish motive becomes evident
 
Aug 15, 2009
9,745
179
0
stephen's responses have consistantly been argumentative and anything but helpful

he argues with one person in particular

getting along with everyone is not the point of this thread

that is not even a biblical concept

someone like stephen needs to step back and examine his heart. he is out of control

you might actually be fair and see that the only time contention arises is when he posts

he absolutely needs to stop talking

he appears to be an immature individual who calls names and makes smart aleck remarks
that is nonsense

most responders here have been decent

actually, the ones who appear to be controllers and expect everyone to kow tow to them are the ones objecting

sorry, but you are wrong in what you say. a topic may not be something people agree on, but when the name calling starts and in the case of stephen, attacking one person and putting a thread off topic, then it becomes plain that the person doing that is a bully

that is another way to control. bully people, mock them, attack them, call names

all of those are tactics that Christians should not participating in

I think it is absolutely fine to tell someone they should stop talking if they are being rude, abusive, aggresive and trying to take over a thread they did not start

fyi, shaming people is another way to try to control.
If you will notice in the first post, sevenseas is doing all the things she rants about others doing: smart aleck remarks, agressive, rude, & taking over the thread.

Classic projection. Narcissistic. Narcissists are controllers, so it's no wonder the majority of manipulators on CC are true narcissists.

What I question is where the behavior comes from. Some say it's inherited, while others say it's demonic.

I tend to believe it can be both, if you believe in generational curses in a family.

Generational curses can also be viewed as a passing down of a spirit in a family, which I have seen in the past.

If it is a passing down of a spirit, then obviously that person isn't saved while showing those characteristics.
 
Jan 27, 2013
4,769
18
0
these words the Holy Spirit can make so real as if you were there

dry words with no Spirit do not give life

where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

where the desire to control is, every word is inspected, every motive is cross examined and jealousy and every kind of selfish motive becomes evident
how can a quote from the bible be dry or controlling, if a person who claims to be of the faith ,yet is continuing on the same path regardless of the scripture quoted, it is evident in everything that they write and do. blowing in the wind is for baby christains, not idiots that think we reap a harvest in anything we do. if they don t understand the quote, is that the writers fault. however a liar pretending to be of the faith, has his own agenda regardless of quote or spoken word and thinks they have a choice. they cannot enter because of misrepresenting scripture of a said faith needs approval by god,
we fit in to gods plan, not the false liberty that humans offer.