Maybe this will make it easier since it is very simple and to the point. I challenge all those of the pre-trib persuasion to prove just ONE point, lets not go any further then this one point because it is the offspring of the entire pre-trib position. Here it is, Jesus in Matt 24 and Mark 13 described a time of tribulation, war, famine, disease, shakings, after which the heavens would be shaken and He would appear in the sky and send His angels to gather all those who believe in Him. Since this looks exactly like the rapture of the church....WHY IS IT NOT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH? Please, no theories as to why this should happen or that should happen, that is not scripture just human thought. Give me clear, in context, scripture, as to why such an obvious statement made by Jesus is not what it appears to be.