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2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
how about that God communicated directly through the Jews? and primarily not with other peoples?
other nations saw signs, but the Lord visited directly with Abraham, with Jacob, with Moses, through prophets, through the glory that filled the tabernacle and the temple, through great signs throughout their history. they are His chosen ones, through whom Christ arose. God spoke directly to them, entrusting them with His "sayings" and His "oracles" and the demonstration of His conversation through time.
so this is the obvious advantage of the Jews: they are "His people" - and His people for the purpose of revealing Himself to mankind, which in the context of this passage, is the particular advantage, that to them was committed the revelation of Him. they are a people that has known Him, but most of us are 'a people who did not know Him, to whom He revealed Himself' - 'who did not look for Him, among whom He was found'
didn't need any Greek for that
i believe the archaic sense is that since they are God's sayings, they are necessarily, de-facto oracular.
((because He is God, and whatever He says is revelatory of Himself, and He is the Truth, apart from and beyond time, so any revelation of Him is an "oracle" in the way that y'all picture, a-la 'the oracle at Delphi' probably, smoky cave et al, being the things the oracle says, "oracles" - which may be but aren't necessarily prophetic, but are revelatory of deep truth, past present future or wholly separate from time))
((because He is God, and whatever He says is revelatory of Himself, and He is the Truth, apart from and beyond time, so any revelation of Him is an "oracle" in the way that y'all picture, a-la 'the oracle at Delphi' probably, smoky cave et al, being the things the oracle says, "oracles" - which may be but aren't necessarily prophetic, but are revelatory of deep truth, past present future or wholly separate from time))
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[h=1]Jeremiah 24New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)[/h][h=3]The Good and the Bad Figs[/h][FONT="]24 The Lord showed me two baskets of figs placed before the temple of the Lord. This was after King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon had taken into exile from Jerusalem King Jeconiah son of Jehoiakim of Judah, together with the officials of Judah, the artisans, and the smiths, and had brought them to Babylon. 2 One basket had very good figs, like first-ripe figs, but the other basket had very bad figs, so bad that they could not be eaten. 3 And the Lord said to me, “What do you see, Jeremiah?” I said, “Figs, the good figs very good, and the bad figs very bad, so bad that they cannot be eaten.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 5 Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Like these good figs, so I will regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I have sent away from this place to the land of the Chaldeans. 6 I will set my eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them back to this land. I will build them up, and not tear them down; I will plant them, and not pluck them up. 7 I will give them a heart to know that I am the Lord; and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But thus says the Lord: Like the bad figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten, so will I treat King Zedekiah of Judah, his officials, the remnant of Jerusalem who remain in this land, and those who live in the land of Egypt. 9 I will make them a horror, an evil thing, to all the kingdoms of the earth—a disgrace, a byword, a taunt, and a curse in all the places where I shall drive them. 10 And I will send sword, famine, and pestilence upon them, until they are utterly destroyed from the land that I gave to them and their ancestors.[/FONT]
[h=1]Jeremiah 24New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)[/h][h=3]The Good and the Bad Figs[/h][FONT="]24 The Lord showed me two baskets of figs placed before the temple of the Lord. This was after King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon had taken into exile from Jerusalem King Jeconiah son of Jehoiakim of Judah, together with the officials of Judah, the artisans, and the smiths, and had brought them to Babylon. 2 One basket had very good figs, like first-ripe figs, but the other basket had very bad figs, so bad that they could not be eaten. 3 And the Lord said to me, “What do you see, Jeremiah?” I said, “Figs, the good figs very good, and the bad figs very bad, so bad that they cannot be eaten.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 Then the word of the Lord came to me: 5 Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel: Like these good figs, so I will regard as good the exiles from Judah, whom I have sent away from this place to the land of the Chaldeans. 6 I will set my eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them back to this land. I will build them up, and not tear them down; I will plant them, and not pluck them up. 7 I will give them a heart to know that I am the Lord; and they shall be my people and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But thus says the Lord: Like the bad figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten, so will I treat King Zedekiah of Judah, his officials, the remnant of Jerusalem who remain in this land, and those who live in the land of Egypt. 9 I will make them a horror, an evil thing, to all the kingdoms of the earth—a disgrace, a byword, a taunt, and a curse in all the places where I shall drive them. 10 And I will send sword, famine, and pestilence upon them, until they are utterly destroyed from the land that I gave to them and their ancestors.[/FONT]
The Law was preserved by the Levites, not the Jews
how about that God communicated directly through the Jews? and primarily not with other peoples?
other nations saw signs, but the Lord visited directly with Abraham, with Jacob, with Moses, through prophets, through the glory that filled the tabernacle and the temple, through great signs throughout their history. they are His chosen ones, through whom Christ arose. God spoke directly to them, entrusting them with His "sayings" and His "oracles" and the demonstration of His conversation through time.
so this is the obvious advantage of the Jews: they are "His people" - and His people for the purpose of revealing Himself to mankind, which in the context of this passage, is the particular advantage, that to them was committed the revelation of Him. they are a people that has known Him, but most of us are 'a people who did not know Him, to whom He revealed Himself' - 'who did not look for Him, among whom He was found'
didn't need any Greek for that
how about that God communicated directly through the Jews? and primarily not with other peoples?
other nations saw signs, but the Lord visited directly with Abraham, with Jacob, with Moses, through prophets, through the glory that filled the tabernacle and the temple, through great signs throughout their history. they are His chosen ones, through whom Christ arose. God spoke directly to them, entrusting them with His "sayings" and His "oracles" and the demonstration of His conversation through time.
so this is the obvious advantage of the Jews: they are "His people" - and His people for the purpose of revealing Himself to mankind, which in the context of this passage, is the particular advantage, that to them was committed the revelation of Him. they are a people that has known Him, but most of us are 'a people who did not know Him, to whom He revealed Himself' - 'who did not look for Him, among whom He was found'
didn't need any Greek for that
What I get out of "Oracle", is that it is a "prophetic declaration" from the "secret councils" of God. Either in regards to event/s taking place, in the future. Sometimes, in the near future...sometimes in the far future.
I suppose, from the N.T. perspective, as well as our own today, Israel was told, the future coming of the Messiah.
I suppose, from the N.T. perspective, as well as our own today, Israel was told, the future coming of the Messiah.
