Why does God hate Esau?

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Miri

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Is it not referring to the Edomites (I think they were decendents of Esau).
Rather than Esau himself.


Malachi 1:1-5 NKJV
[1] The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
[2] "I have loved you," says the LORD. "Yet you say, 'In what way
have You loved us?' Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" Says the LORD.
"Yet Jacob I have loved; [3] But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his
mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness."

[4] Even though Edom has said, "We have been impoverished, But we
will return and build the desolate places," Thus says the LORD of hosts:
"They may build, but I will throw down; They shall be called the Territory
of Wickedness, And the people against whom the LORD will have indignation
forever. [5] Your eyes shall see, And you shall say, 'The LORD is magnified
beyond the border of Israel.'
 
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Because Esau de-valued and sold his birthright for a proverbial bowl of beans......
 
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Is it not referring to the Edomites (I think they were decendents of Esau).
Rather than Esau himself.


Malachi 1:1-5 NKJV
[1] The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
[2] "I have loved you," says the LORD. "Yet you say, 'In what way
have You loved us?' Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" Says the LORD.
"Yet Jacob I have loved; [3] But Esau I have hated, And laid waste his
mountains and his heritage For the jackals of the wilderness."

[4] Even though Edom has said, "We have been impoverished, But we
will return and build the desolate places," Thus says the LORD of hosts:
"They may build, but I will throw down; They shall be called the Territory
of Wickedness, And the people against whom the LORD will have indignation
forever. [5] Your eyes shall see, And you shall say, 'The LORD is magnified
beyond the border of Israel.'
BOTH......I laid HIS mountains (heritage) waste <---personal pronoun HIS

and in the day that Nebuchadnezzar was besieging Jerusalem the Edomites cut off the escape routes of the inhabitants of Jerusalem....

AFTER all they were cousins......
 

notuptome

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Heart attitude. Esau placed no value on the things of God. God looks upon the heart.

Jacob was no prize but his heart was inclined toward Jehovah God.

For the cause of Christ
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preacher4truth

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I'm always amazed that people take comfort in the fact God looks upon the heart.
 

Magenta

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It might seem a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. Yet that’s exactly what Bible says is true: God is love (1 John 4:8), and God hates (Hosea 9:15). God’s nature is love—He always does what is best for others—and He hates what is contrary to His nature—He hates what is contrary to love.

No one should be surprised to learn that God does hate some things. He created us with the capacity to both love and hate, and we acknowledge that hatred is sometimes justified—we naturally hate things that destroy what we love. This is part of our being created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin means that our love and hatred are sometimes misplaced, but the existence of the sin nature does not negate our God-given ability to love and hate. It is no contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, and neither is it a contradiction for God to be able to love and hate.

When the Bible does speak of God’s hatred, the object of His hatred is sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (
Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22), child sacrifice, sexual perversion (Leviticus 20:1–23), and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4–6; 11:5). Proverbs 6:16–19 lists seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witnesses, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well. The reason is simple: sin cannot be separated from the sinner except by the forgiveness available in Christ alone. God hates lying, yes, but lying always involves a person—a liar—who chooses to lie. God cannot judge the lie without also judging the liar.

The Bible clearly teaches that God loves the people of the world (
John 3:16). God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel 18:32). He is patient to an extreme, “not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). This is all proof of love—God wants what is best for His creation. At the same time, Psalm 5:5 says about God, “You hate all evildoers” (ESV). Psalm 11:5 is even harsher: “The wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.”

Before a person repents and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, he is the enemy of God (
Colossians 1:21). Yet, even before he is saved, he is loved by God (Romans 5:8)—i.e., God sacrificed His only begotten Son on his behalf. The question then becomes, what happens to someone who spurns God’s love, refuses to repent, and stubbornly clings to his sin? Answer: God will judge him, because God must judge sin, and that means judging the sinner. These are the “wicked” whom God hates—those who persist in their sin and rebellion, even in the face of the grace and mercy of God in Christ.

David writes, “You are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you” (
Psalm 5:4, ESV, emphasis added). By contrast, those who take refuge in God will “be glad” and “ever sing for joy” (verse 11). In fact, both Psalm 5 and Psalm 11 draw a stark contrast between the righteous (those who take refuge in God) and the wicked (those who rebel against God). The righteous and the wicked make different choices and have different destinies—one will see the ultimate expression of God’s love, and the other will know the ultimate expression of God’s hatred.

We cannot love with a perfect love, nor can we hate with a perfect hatred. But God can both love and hate perfectly, because He is God. God can hate without sinful intent. He can hate the sinner in a perfectly holy way and still lovingly forgive the sinner at the moment of repentance and faith (
Malachi 1:3; Revelation 2:6; 2 Peter 3:9).

In His love for all, God has sent His Son to be the Savior. The wicked, who are still unforgiven, God hates “for their many sins, for they have rebelled” (
Psalm 5:10). But—and this is important to understand—God desires that the wicked repent of their sin and find refuge in Christ. At the moment of saving faith, the wicked sinner is removed from the kingdom of darkness and transferred to the kingdom of love (see Colossians 1:13). All enmity is dissolved, all sin is removed, and all things are made new (see 2 Corinthians 5:17). From gotquestions.org
 

notuptome

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I'm always amazed that people take comfort in the fact God looks upon the heart.
You cannot hide your heart from Him. By grace we stand and receive of His mercy.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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FreeNChrist

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Esau, the man who despised His birthright...he represents our sinful flesh. The flesh stands opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit stands opposed to the flesh. They are at war, and have been from generation to generation.
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Because Esau was of a profane mind. It is the mind that shows disrespect or contempt for things that are holy. The holy thing that is profaned is that person's relationship with the Lord – The blessing and the birthright. Esau becomes the poster boy for this type of disregard. Here is a man who represents the classic case of the profane mind. He rejected his birthright.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif] Esau demonstrated a higher regard for material concerns than for holy thing, c[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]onsequently, he lost his blessing also ans was able to fi[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nd no place for repentance though he “sought it with tears.” (The 'it' modifies the blessing not the repentance.) Once the time to inherit had come, he can no longer lay claim to that which he had despised. There is no place left for repentance.[/FONT]
 

valiant

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Why does God hate Esau. Do you know?
Jacob 'loved' Rachel and he 'hated' Leah, in other words he loved her less.

So the word conveys a lack of affection rather than true hate.
 

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I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.
 
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FreeNChrist

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I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.

The whole space/time thingy is throwing you off.
 

Locutus

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There is more going off with Jacob and Esau than meets the eye.

Strongs

G3404 miseo mis-eh'-o

from a primary misos (hatred);

to detest (especially to persecute); by extension, to love less.

KJV: hate(-ful).
 
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Esau, the man who despised His birthright...he represents our sinful flesh. The flesh stands opposed to the Spirit, and the Spirit stands opposed to the flesh. They are at war, and have been from generation to generation.
I agree...we can see a "picture" of the Christian life in the lives of Esau and Jacob - the battle with the flesh and the spirit.

When Jacob finally sees God for who He is - he finds rest at Bethel and God changes his name from Jacob to Israel. From "one who supplants" to "Triumphant with God",
 

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I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.
My statement comes out of Hebrews 9 that reveals the character of the man.
What Paul is showing in Rom 9:13 is a matter of preference which is complicit in the word μισέω. This has nothing to do with guilt or innocence as a reason for the choice but is driven by a greater purpose.

HELPS Word-studies
3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.
 
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I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.
Based upon the foreknowledge of the choices Esau would make........<--Not unbiblical
 
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eternally-gratefull

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He does not hate Esau, That is a poor English translation, In Hebrew the term means love less. Much Like God tells us to love our parents, Yet he also tells us unless we hate our parents we can have nothing to do with him. Or his kingdom.