Why does God hate Esau?

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SovereignGrace

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Johnny_B said:
Amen!!! All this "love less" idea makes it seem as if there is not a word for that as in "like" why doesn't it read Jacob I loved, Esau I liked? Because He didn't like Esau He hated Him, I don't fully understand it, but I must submit to it.
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Ppl want to rewrite the narrative to fit their theology.

Hate does not really mean hate, just love less. So love does not really mean love, but God tolerates His children a little bit more.

Wrath does not mean wrath, but indignation. I confronted someone on another forum with this view of wrath.
 
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followjesus said:
Esau sold His blessing for a bowl of stew when He was Hungry. Esau was ruled by flesh rather than spirit. the truth us that not every person is a child of God, some are actually sons of the enemy. God Loves those who follow the Spirit, and following the spiritual things is Love for God.

Matthew 13:24-30 "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25But while men slept, HIS ENEMY CAME AND SOWED TARES among the wheat, and went his way. 26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."


Matthew 13:37-37-39 "He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38The field is THE WORLD ; the good seed are the CHILDREN OF the kingdom; but the tares are the CHILDREN OF the wicked one; 39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels
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However, nothing Esau did caused God to hate him. Before either had done anything good or bad, God loved Jacob and hated Esau.

The question shouldn't be why God hated Esau, but why did He love Jacob?
 
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ForthAngel said:
I think it's interesting that many are saying it was because of something Esau did or because of the condition of his heart. Paul refutes this in Romans 9 and makes it clear that God hated him before he had done anything good or bad and before he was born.
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This, God has his reasons why he hates and loves people and it's clear that it is so regardless of anythinig good or bad they've done since it happened before they were born. God is sovereign.
 
preacher4truth

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SovereignGrace said:
The question shouldn't be why God hated Esau, but why did He love Jacob?
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Because Jacob decided to humble himself, clean up his act, make his heart pure because he knew God looks on the heart, and because he decided he would choose God since he knew God would look down through time and see that he was gonna do all these neato things and then he knew due to this that God would then go ahead and select him for heaven because He knew the secret behind Romans 9 that God really chooses based upon the good little things others do and that Romans 9 is just a little trick to throw people off.

Yes, I have more run-on sentences to offer. ;)
 
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resurrection33 said:
Without going back and reading the Scripture, I'm not aware that the Lord hated Esau. He just wasn't satisfied with him, perhaps because of some sin he was committing.
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Romans 9:13 is there in black and white...
 
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maxwel said:
God hated Esau because he was a "hairy man."

That is proof God loves bald people.
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I'm shaving. I opened the charcoal grill really fast and it burned off most of my hair instantly. I think I'm in.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Because Jacob decided to humble himself, clean up his act, make his heart pure because he knew God looks on the heart, and because he decided he would choose God since he knew God would look down through time and see that he was gonna do all these neato things and then he knew due to this that God would then go ahead and select him for heaven because He knew the secret behind Romans 9 that God really chooses based upon the good little things others do and that Romans 9 is just a little trick to throw people off.

Yes, I have more run-on sentences to offer. ;)
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And Haman found Ishmael hanging by his hair in a tree and took and threw him into the lions' den and then King Nebuchadnezzer took him out and made him chief in Potiphar's house and after he fled his wife after she tried to get him to cook her a meal, Balaam prophesied he'd be hung in that tree again.

That narrative makes as much sense as God hating Esau after He looked upon his heart and/or did anything.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
And Haman found Ishmael hanging by his hair in a tree and took and threw him into the lions' den and then King Nebuchadnezzer took him out and made him chief in Potiphar's house and after he fled his wife after she tried to get him to cook her a meal, Balaam prophesied he'd be hung in that tree again.

That narrative makes as much sense as God hating Esau after He looked upon his heart and/or did anything.
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Exactly, it's all just differing opinions these days.

Hey, whatever you want to believe, it's all good! I cannot rebuke your teaching 'cause well some are the hand, some the feet and some the head!!!! The gospel can be whatever you want, get rich, never ever get sick, talk stuff into being, create planets, you're a little god yourself, everything is positive and everything is for YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU!!!! You don't really serve God for God, really, you serve God for YOU!!!! It is all about YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't is wonderful????

Now, if you start that sound doctrine stuff and exegete Scripture in context now, then you'll be the enemy you division causing heretic cultist dissension creating picky Christian bible thumper talking evil of others that don't hold your views slanderer, you heretic I'll Romans 16:17 you!!!!!

(The false church looks pretty ripe for a world government take-over of politically correct pragmatism) :rolleyes:
 
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lolzzzzzzzzzzzz...I've been rained out too many days.
 
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