Why does God hate Esau?
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Rom 9:6 Now it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all Israelis truly belong to Israel,
Rom 9:7 and not all of Abraham's descendants are his true descendants. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that descendants will be named for you."
Rom 9:8 That is, it is not merely the children born through natural descent who were regarded as God's children, but it is the children born through the promise who were regarded as descendants.
Rom 9:9 For this is the language of the promise: "At this time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
Rom 9:10 Not only that, but Rebecca became pregnant by our ancestor Isaac.
Rom 9:11 Yet before their children had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God's plan of election might continue to operate
Rom 9:12 according to his calling and not by actions), Rebecca was told, "The older child will serve the younger one."
Rom 9:13 So it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Rom 9:14 What can we say, then? God is not unrighteous, is he? Of course not!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will be merciful to the person I want to be merciful to, and I will be kind to the person I want to be kind to."
Rom 9:16 Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's will or effort, but on God himself, who shows mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says about Pharaoh, "I have raised you up for this very purpose, to demonstrate my power through you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Rom 9:18 Therefore, God has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.
Rom 9:19 You may ask me, "Then why does God still find fault with anybody? For who can resist his will?"
Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you—mere man that you are—to talk back to God? Can an object that was molded say to the one who molded it, "Why did you make me like this?"
Rom 9:21 A potter has the right to do what he wants to with his clay, doesn't he? He can make something for a special occasion or something for ordinary use from the same lump of clay.
Rom 9:22 Now if God wants to demonstrate his wrath and reveal his power, can't he be extremely patient with the objects of his wrath that are made for destruction?
Rom 9:23 Can't he also reveal his glorious riches to the objects of his mercy that he has prepared ahead of time for glory—
Rom 9:24 including us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but from the gentiles as well?
Rom 9:25 As the Scripture says in Hosea, "Those who are not my people I will call my people, and the one who was not loved I will call my loved one.
Rom 9:26 In the very place where it was told them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called children of the living God."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also calls out concerning Israel, "Although the descendants of Israel are as numerous as the grains of sand on the seashore, only a few will be saved.
Rom 9:28 For the Lord will carry out his plan decisively, bringing it to completion on the earth."
Rom 9:29 It is just as Isaiah predicted: "If the Lord of the Heavenly Armies had not left us some descendants, we would have become like Sodom and would have been compared to Gomorrah."
Had to take a break with my dog...then looked at this scripture.
Ishmael was the result of Abraham trying to bring the promise of God into existence by natural means.
Isaac was of the promise...through Sarah who showed a miracle. Hagar- not so.
So choice is based on this premise...all through the scriptures. Will we believe God to the end to receiving? Or will we try to produce it in the natural?
Do we all come to this conclusion? I think we do...
Rom 9:7 and not all of Abraham's descendants are his true descendants. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that descendants will be named for you."
Rom 9:8 That is, it is not merely the children born through natural descent who were regarded as God's children, but it is the children born through the promise who were regarded as descendants.
Rom 9:9 For this is the language of the promise: "At this time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
Rom 9:10 Not only that, but Rebecca became pregnant by our ancestor Isaac.
Rom 9:11 Yet before their children had been born or had done anything good or bad (so that God's plan of election might continue to operate
Rom 9:12 according to his calling and not by actions), Rebecca was told, "The older child will serve the younger one."
Rom 9:13 So it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Rom 9:14 What can we say, then? God is not unrighteous, is he? Of course not!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will be merciful to the person I want to be merciful to, and I will be kind to the person I want to be kind to."
Rom 9:16 Therefore, God's choice does not depend on a person's will or effort, but on God himself, who shows mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says about Pharaoh, "I have raised you up for this very purpose, to demonstrate my power through you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Rom 9:18 Therefore, God has mercy on whomever he chooses, and he hardens the heart of whomever he chooses.
Rom 9:19 You may ask me, "Then why does God still find fault with anybody? For who can resist his will?"
Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you—mere man that you are—to talk back to God? Can an object that was molded say to the one who molded it, "Why did you make me like this?"
Rom 9:21 A potter has the right to do what he wants to with his clay, doesn't he? He can make something for a special occasion or something for ordinary use from the same lump of clay.
Rom 9:22 Now if God wants to demonstrate his wrath and reveal his power, can't he be extremely patient with the objects of his wrath that are made for destruction?
Rom 9:23 Can't he also reveal his glorious riches to the objects of his mercy that he has prepared ahead of time for glory—
Rom 9:24 including us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but from the gentiles as well?
Rom 9:25 As the Scripture says in Hosea, "Those who are not my people I will call my people, and the one who was not loved I will call my loved one.
Rom 9:26 In the very place where it was told them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called children of the living God."
Rom 9:27 Isaiah also calls out concerning Israel, "Although the descendants of Israel are as numerous as the grains of sand on the seashore, only a few will be saved.
Rom 9:28 For the Lord will carry out his plan decisively, bringing it to completion on the earth."
Rom 9:29 It is just as Isaiah predicted: "If the Lord of the Heavenly Armies had not left us some descendants, we would have become like Sodom and would have been compared to Gomorrah."
Had to take a break with my dog...then looked at this scripture.
Ishmael was the result of Abraham trying to bring the promise of God into existence by natural means.
Isaac was of the promise...through Sarah who showed a miracle. Hagar- not so.
So choice is based on this premise...all through the scriptures. Will we believe God to the end to receiving? Or will we try to produce it in the natural?
Do we all come to this conclusion? I think we do...
Um, no, sorry, you know nothing about me. But the fact remains that your tradition that is anti-Biblical has blinded you to truths that God would desire you to be acquainted with. Your teachings are mirroring those of Finney, Sandeman, Pelagius and other false teachers.
Your disdain for the doctrines of grace is sad to behold and has poisoned you toward others which is one reason you go ballistic when your errors are shown to you. That you resort to human history as your great teacher shows a lack of respect for the Word and Sola Scriptura. That's the doctrine I'm centered on, the Word of God, not experiences of men in the world. IOW I'm not a humanist, I'm a converted Christian.
Your disdain for the doctrines of grace is sad to behold and has poisoned you toward others which is one reason you go ballistic when your errors are shown to you. That you resort to human history as your great teacher shows a lack of respect for the Word and Sola Scriptura. That's the doctrine I'm centered on, the Word of God, not experiences of men in the world. IOW I'm not a humanist, I'm a converted Christian.
Did you happen to read the post by grace7 on the previous page? He explained this so well.
Pharaoh would have had to have a complete mind change about his world view. I don't think that would be possible for him in that era...pride is a really dreadful attitude to have. Pride of life.
Just read this again. I think we are agreeing. lol
Pharaoh would have had to have a complete mind change about his world view. I don't think that would be possible for him in that era...pride is a really dreadful attitude to have. Pride of life.
Just read this again. I think we are agreeing. lol
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Um, no, sorry, you know nothing about me. But the fact remains that your tradition that is anti-Biblical has blinded you to truths that God would desire you to be acquainted with. Your teachings are mirroring those of Finney, Sandeman, Pelagius and other false teachers.
Your disdain for the doctrines of grace is sad to behold and has poisoned you toward others which is one reason you go ballistic when your errors are shown to you. That you resort to human history as your great teacher shows a lack of respect for the Word and Sola Scriptura. That's the doctrine I'm centered on, the Word of God, not experiences of men in the world. IOW I'm not a humanist, I'm a converted Christian.
Your disdain for the doctrines of grace is sad to behold and has poisoned you toward others which is one reason you go ballistic when your errors are shown to you. That you resort to human history as your great teacher shows a lack of respect for the Word and Sola Scriptura. That's the doctrine I'm centered on, the Word of God, not experiences of men in the world. IOW I'm not a humanist, I'm a converted Christian.
I'm centered on Jesus Christ, and Him alone.
LOL. Right cause everyone knows that if you are not a Calvinist you are anti-biblical, blinded to the truth, etc., etc., blah, blah.
I'm...
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This is especially witnessed in watching you go against God's sovereign electing grace, and His Sovereignty in general, while attacking others who believe the truth.
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No not at all
adam (mankind) is of the earth and fleshly
CHRIST is not...Though he had to come into the world in the pattern of a man (sinless and perfect and true flesh) in order to redeem all the children who are of sinful imperfect flesh.
Including Adam
some will hear HIS VOICE and obey the call and be saved
some will not
adam (mankind) is of the earth and fleshly
CHRIST is not...Though he had to come into the world in the pattern of a man (sinless and perfect and true flesh) in order to redeem all the children who are of sinful imperfect flesh.
Including Adam
some will hear HIS VOICE and obey the call and be saved
some will not
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Here's a fine overview for any who are interested in better understanding.......
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