Why does God hate Esau?

[miknik5]

Never mean't to infer this. The natural man that came from the fall is not acceptable to God. I see you say the same thing...

So then why is it a "revelation"

We know that all must be born again of the IMPERISHABLE SEED of CHRIST

That sin entered into the world and therefore death reigned upon all

even those who had not sinned after Adam's sin

To charge Adam, who was innocent and had no knowledge of evil until after he had disobeyed, is to say that Adam was should have been wiser than his offspring....more able to discern evil from good

But how could he?

He didn't know anything but good

Its only after he had sinned that his eyes were opened and he was made aware that he had done what is not good

 

[miknik5]

When man increased onntge fscebof the earth, he began to calm on the nanebof the LORD


Why?

Because we became our worst interference, intrusion, influence on one another: brothers against brother (members of one species) lordingbit over one another and oppressing one another and doing to each other what should not be done

 

[miknik5]

Sorry.

What I wrote above in the first paragraph should say: "When man began to increase on the face of the earth, they began to call on the name of THE LORD"

 

[miknik5]

Another thing

we did not lose what did not belong to us

Even the first born sons as heads over the 12 tribes of Israel were simply symbolic of the ONE who is TRULY THE ISRAEL of GOD who is THE HEAD over THE WHOLE HOUSE for GOD

GOD didn't rush around after Adam sinned putting in place a plan to redeem imperfect man
THE PLAN was from the beginning and put in place from the beginning before GOD created man, because GOD already knew Adam/mankind/our fall


Thw birthright belongs to the ONE who is THE LIKENESS of THE FATHER

 

[miknik5]

Another topic, but how does this fit into the world being reconciled through the Cross?

The world is not reconciled to THE CROSS of those outside THE DOOR remain outside THE DOOR

And tgwvinkybwsy tfey cannentwr in us through faith in CHRIST's COVERING for our sins

if Adam is like Esau, without hope, GOD would have provided Eve with a second coat of ( temporal) skins and not provided Adam a covering at all

Adam would have been sent out from GOD's PRESENCE naked...uncovered

 

[miknik5]

Red in the face is not blushing
its either HIS BLOOD covering us or guilt blood covering us

 

[preacher4truth]

Sorry.

What I wrote above in the first paragraph should say: "When man began to increase on the face of the earth, they began to call on the name of THE LORD"

Isn't that a conflation of Genesis 4:26 and 6:1?????

 

[miknik5]

Adam means red...blood in the face. He must of blushed. Adam came before Esau-Edom.

Adam means man. Natural man outside THE DOOR unto THE REFUGE which GOD has provided in HIS SON

Remember the way was blocked

GOD didn't address Adam personally
in fact HE called them (both male and female) man

abd HE said, the man has become like us, knowing good and evil.

Lest he eat from the tree of life and live forever, the way was blocked to all men

until THE WAY would be revealed

 

[miknik5]

Isn't that a conflation of Genesis 4:26 and 6:1?????

How is it a conflation?
.

 

[preacher4truth]

How is it a conflation?.

Hi miknik5!

Gen 6:1 :Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Gen 4:26: To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

 

[miknik5]

Are you saying that the result of eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil had no effect and all were doing good?

if that were the case, GOD wouldn't have been grieved

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Now why was the tree of LIFE there in the garden even before we/Adam/mankind had sinned?

Choice! Believe the WORD of GOD or be disobedient.Although GOD DID tell them what would happen If they chose the tree of good and evil,they still was given the decision to make the choice,they chose disobedience.

BTW,they could have chose the tree of life first.Since they made the wrong choice,GOD had mercy on us and made a way for us ,Grace through faith In HIS WORD that was manifested In the flesh.

 

[miknik5]

Is genesis 6 the account of the flood?

 

[miknik5]

Choice! Believe the WORD of GOD or be disobedient.Although GOD DID tell them what would happen If they chose the tree of good and evil,they still was given the decision to make the choice,they chose disobedience.

BTW,they could have chose the tree of life first.Since they made the wrong choice,GOD had mercy on us and made a way for us ,Grace through faith In HIS WORD that was manifested In the flesh.

They didn't have to "choose" the tree of LIFE in the garden. They were fully alive

and that tree was not forbidden to them to eat

but when a voice told them to do so we hung else, they listened to another voice telling them to do something else


they were children and didn't know any consequences until after they disobeyed and their eyes were opened

 

[miknik5]

Sorry

when a voice told them to do something else, they listened

 

[miknik5]

Yeah but all doesn't mean all the way you are meaning it. The context is the grafting in of the gentiles through God's election. God hardened the hearts of the Jews and made a way for all (all people groups) to be saved. Romans 9 is the same subject.

ONE OLIVE TREE

All mean all

So as to be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in HIS SON

(that's also in Romans)

 

[miknik5]

Was it God Himself who hardened Pharoahs heart? Or did the acts of God cause a hardening of Pharoahs heart who thought he was a god?

Something I think about with these words of Pauls.

Exodus 7:3

 

[preacher4truth]

Is genesis 6 the account of the flood?

I'm simply showing you that you conflated two verses in post #183. Here they are again, I've bolded the parts of the verses you melded into one:

Hi miknik5!

Gen 6:1 :Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,

Gen 4:26: To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

 

[followjesus]

You guys are good here in this forum. You would be surprised how many don't know what caused God to "hate" Esau or what he did is probably more accurate.

Who is Esau a picture of? Who else sold his birthright?

adam.

many understand " man was made in the beginning in the image and likeness of God" some miss that Jesus is the express image and likeness of God. Adam was created and given dominion over all the earth, sea and all life in the earth. God in essence Gave the world to man, and Gave them dominion over it or " authority" adam sold that birthrite and also the image of God that was meant for mankind.

This is the reason later we are told " we behold the face of Christ and are being transformed into His image" He who is the image of God. Adam sold His birthrite and ours..But thank God that Jesus redeemed our birthrite as children of God and renews our image day by day through the process of truth and faith. the things that adam caused are the very reason we need a "savior" a redeemer" a "deliverer" adam sold us into slavery, so Christ is our redeemer. adam delivered us to death through sin. Jesus delivers us into life through righteousness. adam sold us into mortality, Christ paid the price of death, and offers immortality. Jesus truly is " the second adam" yet as before and will always be.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

They didn't have to "choose" the tree of LIFE in the garden. They were fully alive

and that tree was not forbidden to them to eat

but when a voice told them to do so we hung else, they listened to another voice telling them to do something else


they were children and didn't know any consequences until after they disobeyed and their eyes were opened

I would say that since they were fully alive before the fall,you are right,they didn't have to choose the tree of life and GOD did not mention It but told them what would happen If they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

GOD Is sovereign and knew they would be disobedient and still allowed them to be disobedient, although HE did tell them the consequence of disobedience.