Why does God hate Esau?

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preacher4truth

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In Proverbs 6, there are 7 things God hates. 6 & 7 are ppl who lie and sow discord amongst His ppl. In Psalm 5 he hates workers of iniquity.

This 'God loves sinners but hates their sins' makes for good bumper sticker theology but not for biblically sound doctrine.
Maybe God just likes those sins less than others. lolzzzzzzzzzz...

People just can't let God be God, He must bow to their ideology and fit into their casting in the forge. Then "voila" we have "god" and we like him a lot!

Have to ask this question of many on here: Does God ever disagree with you or do things, have attributes that don't make logical sense to you (as if He needs to meet your criteria)?

If not you may be seeing your "god" in the mirror every morning. Just sayin'.
 
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Hmm, I was just reading over most of the Jacob and Esau parts of Genesis last night before bed.

What stands out to me about Esau is he just keeps messing up and he never really takes his parents seriously. As others mentioned Esau sold his birthright. Even more, Esau married outside of his race and this displeased Rebekah particularly. Rebekah was grieved because of the daughters of Heth which Esau did marry. Rebekah helped Jacob secure Isaac's blessing. Then Esau meditates on killing Jacob with his own hand. Rebekah intervenes again and speaks to Isaac about how her life will be worth nothing if Jacob marries one of the daughters of the land. So she saves Jacob again and sends him off to Laban her brother to take a wife of her own people. When Esau sees that Isaac has blessed Jacob and that he has charged Jacob to not take any daughter of Canaan to wife, but to go to Padanaram to take a wife from there, and when he sees Jacob diligently listens to his parents, then Esau goes and takes for himself wives from Ishmael. Esau just keeps messing up really.

its the nature of good and evil. the same thing you are saying is seen in cain and abel. One is dark, one is light. it is the nature of fallen man " the knowledge of good and also evil"
 
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However, nothing Esau did caused God to hate him. Before either had done anything good or bad, God loved Jacob and hated Esau.

The question shouldn't be why God hated Esau, but why did He love Jacob?

im not sure you understood, and the question is the ops. God Loves those who walk after His spirit, those who walk after the flesh constantly oppose God. God doesnt need to wait and see what a person will do, He sees the person at thier core, thier Heart. esau selling His birthrite, is not the reason, it is a peek into who esau is in His heart. God doesnt look at appearance, or look from a point of view of after an action He sees the person themself without obstruction. esaus Heart did not belong to God, Jacobs did. The birthrite and blessing meant everything to jacob, and was worth less than a bowl of stew to esau. thats the difference in them.


Just like today the blessing and birthrite offered through Jesus Christ. to some it is worth everything they have, to another its worth less than whatever thier Heart desires at the time. Gods people cant live like that we cant go through life following the desires of our flesh like esau, it brings the value of Christ down to less than it is, just like esau brought the blessing down to mean so little. yet One is the most precious things in the universe our blessing in Christ, and esaus was only temporal.

God Loves mankind it comes down to a matter when you come to Jesus, whether or not you love Him in return knowing what He has done because He Loved you. "we Love because He first Loved us" it isnt " we dont need to love because He fuirst Loved us" Jesus Love for us shown at calvary, obligates us to walk in His Love. the actions of a person just like esau reveals thier Heart " how important was God to esau"? worth les than a temporary full belly. the issue is our heart Like his which is why Jesus came to renew our heart.
 
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Fulfilled in the sense that God doesn't attribute ancestral sins to anyone now as in the OT...all the names of those gentile clans of people reveal an ancestral trait of the nature of flesh when you study their names.

Now God has put all of mankind together and there is no special people. All have sinned. Iniquity is full.

There's a teaching out of sonship fellowships and I believe is truth.

There are only two men in the earth that God acknowledges now...Adam, and Jesus...and we all are in one or the other.

that is really deep and really good simplistic thinking. from adams transgression to the flood was only 10 generations. after the flood that came because all men were evil at thier heart and core, then came the Law through the promise of abraham for the isrealite slaves. the law is always attatched to adams transgression, it operates at the same principles " if you do this you will die" and in the law " thou shalt not..." and later the death sentances are explained in the same law. it is all based on adams fallen nature that fall is evident by simply looking at the first 2 men ever born, the first mudrered the second.

This shows an undeniable change in mans nature going from the image of God in genesis One, to made after fallen adams image and nature after the transgression. further it is moreso evident in Genesis 6 when God looked into the earth and mans thoughts and inclinations were only evil continually. this shows us perfectly the effect of adam and eves transgression and how it affected mankind who are all children of adam and made in His fallen or " human" nature that has both good and evil inside. there was a change that happened when adam fell and it was passed through pro creation to all of mankind making the scriptures true " all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

glory is associated with image, man fell short of Gods image because we are sinners made after adam and eve. what you are saying so simply illustrates the entire reason Jesus came to die for us and give us a new birth in the spirit, to make us into His image, being the exact image of God. adam was once but He followed deception and fell, Jesus was, is and will always look exactly like God, because He lived that out to the point of death never yeilding to temptation as adam threw it away for " a bowl of stew" or rather " a taste of fruit"

With Christ He did not sell out He fulfilled all the requirements placed on man as a result of transgression, or the requirements of the Law. Because the Law we Know is given to the mankind who is in adams nature, a nature that needs laws and rules because inwardly it desires what is evil. So the Law restrains adam in us, but when Christ appears he completes the law and offers something the Law never did, or can a new start, a new life, a new clean spirit and heart, truth for the mind..the gospel that transforms adams children, into the children of God who are made in Jesus image.

sorry so long i just really liked ur post here
 

Johnny_B

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Maybe God just likes those sins less than others. lolzzzzzzzzzz...

People just can't let God be God, He must bow to their ideology and fit into their casting in the forge. Then "voila" we have "god" and we like him a lot!

Have to ask this question of many on here: Does God ever disagree with you or do things, have attributes that don't make logical sense to you (as if He needs to meet your criteria)?

If not you may be seeing your "god" in the mirror every morning. Just sayin'.
First two commandments come to mind.
 
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if you can tell everyone, how you found out about esau. without reading about him . etc

but if the eye was never a part of the body , how can it be classed to be in the body.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

without context, you have no body. etc given the old is now a dead covenant. etc
 

miknik5

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I'm simply showing you that you conflated two verses in post #183. Here they are again, I've bolded the parts of the verses you melded into one:
To be honest, I never considered Genesis 4:26 but only Genesis 6:1
 

preacher4truth

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Sir, Do you have children?
Why cut off the quote that shows how you meld two verses into one and come to a wrong conclusion? And then you ask if I have children?

First we will deal with how you've conflated together two verses and misquoted God's Word. Perhaps I will answer your rabbit trail questions after you admit your infraction of misquoting and blending two passages together.
 

stonesoffire

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if you can tell everyone, how you found out about esau. without reading about him . etc

but if the eye was never a part of the body , how can it be classed to be in the body.
Mat 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

without context, you have no body. etc given the old is now a dead covenant. etc
Word studies. I've done studies, word by word on some books, and then just chapters.

But, it's something that God prophesied over me, that He would teach me the "dessert" of the Word. And He also said, some would rather have just plain bread.

Holy Spirit does teach.
 

miknik5

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The reason I ask you this is because Adam the first man upon the earth, who didn't have multitude of different personalities to contend with, had two sons and even with these two coming forth from his loins, he could not ensure they would be in his likeness

Abel was, but Cain wasnt

And if Adam couldn't even ensure his own sons (given there were not many men upon the earth to add interference and influence his sons) would be in his likeness (not to mention his wife who came forth from his own flesh who showed though she was of his flesh, had her own spirit)

multiply man upon the earth, and why are you surprised that brother oppressed brother?

Adam, the first man, couldn't even ensure his sons would be in his likeness

Let alone their heavenly FATHER?
 

miknik5

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I never saw that it was just after seths sons that this was said
 

preacher4truth

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I owe you an apology.
I see what you mean i
No, you don't owe me an apology, in fact you owe me nothing. All I was trying to do was show you how you melded two verses together. I've done this before too.
 

miknik5

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The reason I asked you if you were a father is because I was wondering if all your children have the same personalities and temperaments?

i know mine don't

And GOD is a GOOD FATHER

Better than an earthly father

HE will not pick and choose abd judge one disobedient imperfect child against and by another disobedient imperfect child