Why does God hate Esau?

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miknik5

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How will GOD judge if all HIS children are declared disobedient?

Romans 3 has the answer
specifically Romans 3:26
 

miknik5

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*** God judges our hearts and intentions*** He loved Jacob because he had a heart for God*** Esau was lukewarm towards the Lord...
Esau was nothing towards the LORD
He didn't acknowledge GOD at all


and that's what Jacob saw and why he didn't join his brother

Esau showed more interest in the things Jacob had acquired showing clearly that Esau really cried crocodile tears about his lost "blessings" because he was more interested in temporal treasures (which he by his own hands (so he thought) had acquired) than TRUE TREASURES

He has the nerve to ask his brother where and how he has acquired all these things?
Showing Jacob that Esau had no thoughts of GOD
 

miknik5

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Oh. LOL...now I see the preview button!!!
 

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You are missing out on great truths that God has been teaching us through our own human history. And that because you limit your understanding to only what allows you to continue to be centered on a doctrine. That's not ironic, it's sad and tragic…..for you.
God teaches us through His word, not mysticism.

#SolaScriptura
 

SovereignGrace

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Then this:



http://christianchat.com/blogs/gabriel2020/11121-so-called-christians-who-attack-other-christians.html

No hypocrisy or double standard there at all! Not to mention calling others of the devil and lost (workers of iniquity)
There isn't any hypocrisy in that post. He said you aren't a man of God, so in his view, he wasn't attacking another Christian.

Now, does he take that approach when witnessing to lost folk?

But you're a solid man of God in my book. FWIW..
 
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The reason I ask you this is because Adam the first man upon the earth, who didn't have multitude of different personalities to contend with, had two sons and even with these two coming forth from his loins, he could not ensure they would be in his likeness

Abel was, but Cain wasnt

And if Adam couldn't even ensure his own sons (given there were not many men upon the earth to add interference and influence his sons) would be in his likeness (not to mention his wife who came forth from his own flesh who showed though she was of his flesh, had her own spirit)

multiply man upon the earth, and why are you surprised that brother oppressed brother?

Adam, the first man, couldn't even ensure his sons would be in his likeness

Let alone their heavenly FATHER?
the likeness of adam and eve who are 1, is in every single human being. adam ensured through sin, that His children would not be created in the image of God, leaving only One option. every child is made in the image of His Father. the issue is that were all in that nature of adam. when we say " nature of" or image of" really it comes down to the mind and heart. Satan corrupted thier thinking, he " changed thier minds" this is why so many people try explaining that repentance is really " a change of the mind" and that is certainly the source.

This is EXACTLY why we need to accept the WORDS of Jesus Christ along with everything else He gives, the only thing that changes a mind.....is knowledge. were born in deception, and the truth changes that IF it is accepted and believed. There is nor can there ever be redemption without the Gospel preached by Jesus because it is the true perception of Gods Word. not coming through a sinner, but through the Son of the Living God, who is expressly like His Father.

John 8:31-34 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, WHOSOEVER COMMITETH sin is the servant of sin."

all have sinned because it is human nature, thereore all are servants of sin and need the freedom from sin offered Here in accordance with the Word of God. Just as paul states later in romans 6:16-17. The gospel is the knowledge that transforms believers from within through belief leading to faith.


 
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How will GOD judge if all HIS children are declared disobedient?

Romans 3 has the answer
specifically Romans 3:26

Gods children arent disobedient though is the thing

John 8:38-44 "I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, YE WOULD LOVE ME* for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father YE WILL DO. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

of course when Jesus says " you would Love me" we have to accept what He clearly says of Loving Him

John 14:23-24 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."

the process is belief leads to action. if we believe in Jesus, we will have zero issue with learning from Him and Keeping His words, if we dont believe He is who He is.....what He says wont really mater too much when it comes to our actions. He suffered and died to win our hearts, if our hearts are with Jesus, His word is the truth. who would doubt Gods word...after being taught what happened in eden, and after all He has done to repair the damage we caused.

we will all face judgement, those who are of Christ have no worries of thier past it is forgiven, nor should we fear the future Because if we accept Jesus including His word of authority and power that word of Life that is the gospel..God is ever working in us pruning away the fruitless flesh in us. He justifies freely, but that is for those who do not reject Him. when a person is deathly ill and they refuse the only medication...they will not get better.
 
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The reason I asked you if you were a father is because I was wondering if all your children have the same personalities and temperaments?

i know mine don't

And GOD is a GOOD FATHER

Better than an earthly father

HE will not pick and choose abd judge one disobedient imperfect child against and by another disobedient imperfect child
A good father teaches His children right and wrong, and alkso teaches them what will kill them. if you have one good kid who is likely not to drink and drive, one kid who is more likely by nature to do something so dangerous....and The Father teaches both NOT to drink and drive, One does it and dies oin a car crash............it IS NOT the Fathers fault, it is the action that the kid did against The wisdom and loving instruction of His Father that doesnt want His kids either one...to die.


when God tells us the truth about something, from that point on were accountable for the consequence, we cant then go blame God for judging us, when He clearly warned us ahead of time, and much more provided His Holy spirit to guide our Hearts and lives. God has already done everything perfect for us. including thoroughly explaining sin and its consequences both temporal and eternal. its not a matter of God Judging everyone, its a matter of Hearing The Fathers Word, and disregarding it.

God has been plain to all mankind whether a person found Jesus in prison, or a person is born into a christian home and never strays so far as jail. both are sinners One heeds the Lords Word BECAUSE He is the Lord, the other disregards it not recognizing that God said it. God loves even the man who is in prison, His love doesnt fail us, ours fails us
 

miknik5

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the likeness of adam and eve who are 1, is in every single human being. adam ensured through sin, that His children would not be created in the image of God, leaving only One option. every child is made in the image of His Father. the issue is that were all in that nature of adam. when we say " nature of" or image of" really it comes down to the mind and heart. Satan corrupted thier thinking, he " changed thier minds" this is why so many people try explaining that repentance is really " a change of the mind" and that is certainly the source.

This is EXACTLY why we need to accept the WORDS of Jesus Christ along with everything else He gives, the only thing that changes a mind.....is knowledge. were born in deception, and the truth changes that IF it is accepted and believed. There is nor can there ever be redemption without the Gospel preached by Jesus because it is the true perception of Gods Word. not coming through a sinner, but through the Son of the Living God, who is expressly like His Father.

John 8:31-34 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, WHOSOEVER COMMITETH sin is the servant of sin."

all have sinned because it is human nature, thereore all are servants of sin and need the freedom from sin offered Here in accordance with the Word of God. Just as paul states later in romans 6:16-17. The gospel is the knowledge that transforms believers from within through belief leading to faith.


Did I mention Eve, who came forth from Adam wasn't in his exact likeness either?
 

miknik5

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A good father teaches His children right and wrong, and alkso teaches them what will kill them. if you have one good kid who is likely not to drink and drive, one kid who is more likely by nature to do something so dangerous....and The Father teaches both NOT to drink and drive, One does it and dies oin a car crash............it IS NOT the Fathers fault, it is the action that the kid did against The wisdom and loving instruction of His Father that doesnt want His kids either one...to die.


when God tells us the truth about something, from that point on were accountable for the consequence, we cant then go blame God for judging us, when He clearly warned us ahead of time, and much more provided His Holy spirit to guide our Hearts and lives. God has already done everything perfect for us. including thoroughly explaining sin and its consequences both temporal and eternal. its not a matter of God Judging everyone, its a matter of Hearing The Fathers Word, and disregarding it.

God has been plain to all mankind whether a person found Jesus in prison, or a person is born into a christian home and never strays so far as jail. both are sinners One heeds the Lords Word BECAUSE He is the Lord, the other disregards it not recognizing that God said it. God loves even the man who is in prison, His love doesnt fail us, ours fails us
GOD has many children. And the first Adam didn't listen All died. And apart from these "good" children listening to their GOOD FATHER who provided THE WAY back, they will die

and youre right
it isn't THE FATHER's fault


Christ ssid. If you knew THE GIFT of GOD and who it is who asks, you would have asked HIM and HE would have given you LIVING WATER

Unfortunately not all the children listen to what is GOOD for their well being
 

miknik5

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GOD has made it plain
Are you saying that men don't need to hear THE GOSPEL preached in order to believe JESUS is SAVIOR and LORD?

Wouldn't they have to first acknowledge their need for a SAVIOR who HEALS?

Isn't that why the prophecy of Isaiah stands?

Didnt CHRIST say, in them ( those who do not believe who can't see and can't hear) is tge prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled
 

miknik5

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Make the hearts of these people fat and give them eyes that see not and ears that hear nor

Lest they should understand with their heart...turn....and HE should heal them

One has to hear THE GOSPEL and believe and in hearing and believing, comes repentence
 

miknik5

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And for those calvinists out there who misinterpret GOD's SOVEREIGN election to mean that they don't have to "go", remember the words of Romans 10