falling away from faith part 2.

[BillG]

I think he thinks it was Scottish lol

What would the NT be like if Rab C Nesbitt wrote it

 

[JIMBO43]

What if we miss a day?

Thats beyween you and God not me or us or we .... just you...

 

[JIMBO43]

What would the NT be like if Rab C Nesbitt wrote it

well if he manages to stop the swearing i would say...... ok.. besides i just think nes would only make believers more crankier not less... lols

 

[JIMBO43]

I think im on the fence to be honest coz i believe some will inherit and some will not.. coz it is written that the way is narrow but absent mindeness is acceptable i think ?

 

[BillG]

Thats beyween you and God not me or us or we .... just you...

What about you?

If you miss a day what do you think will happen.
Im not trying to trip you up just genuinely want to know what you think.

 

[JIMBO43]

What about you?

If you miss a day what do you think will happen.
Im not trying to trip you up just genuinely want to know what you think.

see quote above..lol

 

[BillG]

see quote above..lol

saw the quote above after I posted my response.

I think my main concern was that if you believe that for a day, or a period of time you are struggling with your walk with Jesus meant that you could lose your salvation.

 

[JIMBO43]

saw the quote above after I posted my response.

I think my main concern was that if you believe that for a day, or a period of time you are struggling with your walk with Jesus meant that you could lose your salvation.

you could abandon your faith is not losing your salvation unless he decides otherwise..


its not up to me im not the gaffer... i keep telling ya this... i am not the answer to salvation he is the king of kings the lord of hoists.. the king of peace and war..

 

[JIMBO43]

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[valiant]

Dont have to get very far for the twisting to start. Scripture never means what it says right?

You said it.

You always take whats obvious in scripture and twist it to promote your false teachings.

Like you do?

For goodness sakes these people just saw the red sea part ways, fish swimming right beside them, and what did they do next....

they forgot it when the next problem arose..

Exodus 15New International Version (NIV)

The Song of Moses and Miriam
15 Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the Lord:

The Israelites sang the words. But only because they were thankful for their deliverance. Not because they had changed.

The Israelites not some but the Israelites praising God. Yes they was chosen.

But not from their hearts which were unchanged in many cases

Their salvation was dependent on staying close to Gods commands and blood sacrifices for sin. This was their way to salvation.

But the vast majority didn't stay close to God's commands and treated the blood sacrifices lightly.

He destroyed some of the same ones up above singing and praising God.

because it was from the head not from the heart

They would believe then later start complaining or build an idol or scared to go into battle even after God said they would win.

The majority did NOT believe. They just accepted what happened and then forgot. That's why they started complaining

The whole old testiment is a huge blinking light saying relationship between God and man

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and most took no notice,

And countless examples of his people forgetting their love first known.

Or forgetting what He had done for them because they did not truly love Him??

Now God has made even easier and simpler to be saved. The relationship still stands but now one and last sacrifice has already took place. Now all we must do is remain in Christ to be saved.

It is no easier now. It required true faith, and it still requires true faith. Faith saves us. We remain in Christ because we are saved and because He keeps us.

Remember Paul's words. They were not all Israel who were Israel.

 

[valiant]

you could abandon your faith is not losing your salvation unless he decides otherwise..

a true Christian is 'kept by the power of God unto salvation.' If he is lost, God has failed.

its not up to me im not the gaffer... i keep telling ya this... i am not the answer to salvation he is the king of kings the lord of hoists.. the king of peace and war..

And He can't keep you?

 

[JIMBO43]

a true Christian is 'kept by the power of God unto salvation.' If he is lost, God has failed.




And He can't keep you?

In a way i suppose he is the inn keeper.. and he does search for his lost too..


But what also must be realised is Some will be decieved and snatched away by decieving spirits...

Like a dirty magpie bird which i dont like... theese birds have no heart for the other baby chicks or the chicks parents...

they just without so much batting an eyelid steal baby chicks...


Guess what so do decieving lieing spirits..

Thats it....................

 

[JIMBO43]

this is reality that many children in this world grow up thinking there is no such thing as God coz God didnt do enough to help them...

And so they remain an athiest all there life... Un be known to them it was satan who cause all the trouble in the first place that made them believe there was no God .. it was satan who possessed there parents that led to the child recieving so many attacks.... It was not Gods fault... but the real reason is denomic influnce has aslo had a hold of the child from an early age.. they will be and can be possessed all there lifes..

 

[JIMBO43]

saw the quote above after I posted my response.

I think my main concern was that if you believe that for a day, or a period of time you are struggling with your walk with Jesus meant that you could lose your salvation.

my belief is denomic influence is the main reason peeople abandon there morals..

 

[JIMBO43]

This is comman practice theese days... parent become possessed by satan..in return parents abuse there children....

children grow up with hate in there heart and hatred towards there family..

A never ever vicouse cycle that is happening all over the world... hatred.... all the work of satan snatching people away from God..

Yes they can return

yes they can be found..

Yes they will be set free from the snare of the devil in the last days... just not not now it seems... i have a hard time with this too..

 

[JIMBO43]

As usual, a hit and run post from you with an avalanche of verses without context and understanding. Many of these verses have already been covered, but I will address Hebrews 3:12 for now:

The Lord delivered His people (the Israelites) out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe (Jude 1:5). God had revealed Himself to these Israelites and chosen them as His people, but does that mean they were ALL saved? The writer of Hebrews is addressing brethren here in verse 12, but does this mean that EVERYONE in this very large group of Hebrews must be a genuine believer? As we read in verse 14, For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end." Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, where we read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end. The only ones in the end who will be identified as those who have become partakers of Christ, will have been those who hold fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end." *These faltering Hebrews who depart from God begin with loud confidence and profession of loyalty. *But later?

The wording of the above verse in Hebrews is not - "and you will become partakers of Christ (future indicative) if you (future indicative) hold fast." It is rather - "you have been, and now are, partakers of Christ, if in the future you hold fast to Christ." Holding fast to Christ is a manifestation of genuine belief and having become partakers of Christ and departing from God is a manifestation of unbelief and failure to have become partakers of Christ. Just as we see in 1 John 2:19, if they had been of us, then they would have continued with us.

In Hebrews 4:2-3, we read: For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have BELIEVED do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between "us" who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and "them" who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.

I hardly see it as a hit and run.. maybe a lack of understanding that Its God who decides.... not you or not i..

We cant imagine why or how some people are capable of the most apauling crimes against humanity...

The world doesnt look at denomic influence when a terrorist commits an evil act..

instead in many cases the individual is hated for the rest of his life and satan gets of scott free and does the same again and again..

we always as individuals blame others for there words too..

Reality is that the full armor of God is not yet present..

I say the full armour of God coz the individual whos heart is not fully purified or guarded will hate..
the bible warns us to guard the heart..

So when you act like a heartless individual it is because you still dont have the full armor of God and you are not the done deal you claim coz you never seaked God or understood denomic influence...

 

[JIMBO43]

How can we Guard the heart daily and be a fully armored soldier who seeks to love and be at peace...

Its easy to love someone who has baggage... And you can honor peoples requests......

Like you could honor a christians request that they want you to love them for them and not sex...

meaning waiting until the honeymoon and waiting untill she is willing to say yes to marrying you..


only some wuld say you dont love me enough and want to screw everything that walks...

this is a screw you attitude...

I say genorosity is key and saying youre beautiful for you and not saying your beautiful to gain an extra bed notch..

 

[JIMBO43]

So what happens once the extra bed notch has been notched. ?

Some would say God forgive me..

And do it again and again..

Some would say arkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk i cant help the fact i love women.


Some would even say your only young once..

Some would also say God has made me a superstud..

Some would even say thankyou God for this women tonight coz it was there prayer that they copped of that night..


It was satan who had a hold of them.. or they acted out of lust.. still satan ? or all the individual ...

And when the individual asks God to forgive them satan prentending to be God says... dont worry son she was well fit.. and well done you...

 

[JIMBO43]

So what is real and what is true...

Real is the fact the evil demons are stil walking among us..
Real is the fact we can fall away but lord willing return...

For some here the truth is that you cant never fall away once born of the spirit..

But the bible makes refrence that you are born of first fruits first meaning you must be born again of something else befor you can enter the kingdom..

This is reality that all tho we fall away we are still not born again of the remaining fruits to eneter in full only in part..

We can have a piece of his Kingdom but not the keys... meaning walking in and out of his kingdom untill we are fully armoured.. purified in heart..

 

[JIMBO43]

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