Is belief in the doctrine of trinity crucial to a Christian's life?

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I have heard so much discussion around the doctrine of Trinity, debates between Muslims and Christians, and a multitude of proofs and explanations. My only question is "Why does it matter"? I am not saying that it is okay to IGNORE or COMPROMISE on truth. But all truth is not necessary, especially when it can cause one to discredit Christianity - on the sole basis of a "logical fallacy" called Trinity.

I am a Christian and I personally understand the three-person entity and completely believe in the trinity. Although, I have always had the question of why do we need to know or understand this? I know people who do not take a next step when they come across a Christian trying to explain the Trinity. It is kind of like not letting a person ride an airplane because he/she doesn't know how the airplane was made.

Please let me know your thoughts on this. I want to know if I am wrong in thinking that. I just want to know if this doctrine could be a red herring to the argument for Christianity. Jesus is the Son of God and came to bail us out of our mess. He asks us to believe in in One God. He asked us to follow Him and to obey His Father. Isn't that enough to be a Christian?
He never said that we HAVE to know that He was part of a Trinity. God the father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in their own roles fulfill what their purpose is without us having to know how it all works.
 
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Priyanka695 said:
I have heard so much discussion around the doctrine of Trinity, debates between Muslims and Christians, and a multitude of proofs and explanations. My only question is "Why does it matter"? I am not saying that it is okay to IGNORE or COMPROMISE on truth. But all truth is not necessary, especially when it can cause one to discredit Christianity - on the sole basis of a "logical fallacy" called Trinity.

I am a Christian and I personally understand the three-person entity and completely believe in the trinity. Although, I have always had the question of why do we need to know or understand this? I know people who do not take a next step when they come across a Christian trying to explain the Trinity. It is kind of like not letting a person ride an airplane because he/she doesn't know how the airplane was made.

Please let me know your thoughts on this. I want to know if I am wrong in thinking that. I just want to know if this doctrine could be a red herring to the argument for Christianity. Jesus is the Son of God and came to bail us out of our mess. He asks us to believe in in One God. He asked us to follow Him and to obey His Father. Isn't that enough to be a Christian?
He never said that we HAVE to know that He was part of a Trinity. God the father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in their own roles fulfill what their purpose is without us having to know how it all works.
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the word Trinity is not in the bible how ever I believe the concept IS.
No one can fully understand the Full Nature of God we are unable to comprehend the GodHead but , we can apprehend it.

we get in to trouble trying to explain it. And opponents of the trinity will suggest "if you can't explain it then it is not real or it makes no human sense. Nothing could be further from the truth. Here are some other issues many have and the olny explanation for them happening is GOD did it.

1. parting of the Red sea
2. Noah Ark and the flood
3. water to wine
4. raising a dead man after 4 days
5. feeding 5000 with 5 loaves of bread and a few fish
6. the virgin birth
7. Jesus the Son Of God who is Spirit
8. The God Head.

the nay Sayers are well seen of each these Great works of God. If they can't be scientifically, human reasoning applied then it can't be accepted. Faith is not a good enough answer or the Word of God is the authority on the subject.

Is it really that odd those attack do not agree or believe these Biblical accounts? LOL it means you will be laughed at, you believe in fairy tales. Jesus said they would not believe even if ONE came back from the Dead.

we are to let them be.
 
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The question really becomes who is the Jesus we believe in? If Jesus is not divine then He cannot save us from our sins. Jesus cannot be another god for there is only one God Who is God. The Holy Spirit is and must be divine or He is unable to minister in the hearts of men. Omnipresence is an attribute of God alone as is omniscience and omnipotence. The authority and power of God is not shared.

For the cause of Christ
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The pagan religions have trinity belief systems.... beware not to be entrapped by the unity of man and their plan for salvation. Receive this:" Let not your heart be troubled, you believe in God believe also in me." John 14:1
 
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The pagan religions have trinity belief systems.... beware not to be entrapped by the unity of man and their plan for salvation. Receive this:" Let not your heart be troubled, you believe in God believe also in me." John 14:1
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the so-called pagan religions of a "false trinity " concept has not Context to the Biblical concept of the God Head. we do not at other pagan religions to verify a biblical truth. We must look at the Word of God and allow the word to speak for the word.

pagan trinity like Hinduism is where the concept of the Biblical God head [FONT=arial, sans-serif]No, there is no truth to this claim.[/FONT]
"The Hindu Trimurti is a late speculation; it does not belong to the ancient Indian or Aryan religion.

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]The contrast to the Godhead in the Bible and the false trinity of Hinduism are clearly seen.

there is no god known as the "destroyer" in the God head of the Bible .

only those who have prideful and perverted hearts would suggest the Godhead in the Bible has anything to do with false gods and use those pagan beliefs as source to discredit the word of God . [/FONT]
 
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Priyanka695 said:
I have heard so much discussion around the doctrine of Trinity, debates between Muslims and Christians, and a multitude of proofs and explanations. My only question is "Why does it matter"? I am not saying that it is okay to IGNORE or COMPROMISE on truth. But all truth is not necessary, especially when it can cause one to discredit Christianity - on the sole basis of a "logical fallacy" called Trinity.

I am a Christian and I personally understand the three-person entity and completely believe in the trinity. Although, I have always had the question of why do we need to know or understand this? I know people who do not take a next step when they come across a Christian trying to explain the Trinity. It is kind of like not letting a person ride an airplane because he/she doesn't know how the airplane was made.

Please let me know your thoughts on this. I want to know if I am wrong in thinking that. I just want to know if this doctrine could be a red herring to the argument for Christianity. Jesus is the Son of God and came to bail us out of our mess. He asks us to believe in in One God. He asked us to follow Him and to obey His Father. Isn't that enough to be a Christian?
He never said that we HAVE to know that He was part of a Trinity. God the father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit in their own roles fulfill what their purpose is without us having to know how it all works.
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Personally, I don't understand people who think the Lord is three people. I was taught the Lord serves in three capacities - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - and I believe that is sound teaching. I do not believe that the Lord is going to punish us if we don't totally understand him, though.
 
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Personally, I don't understand people who think the Lord is three people. I was taught the Lord serves in three capacities - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - and I believe that is sound teaching. I do not believe that the Lord is going to punish us if we don't totally understand him, though.
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the idea of God punishing you because you do not fully understand the God Head After the Word of God states we cannot fully comprehend the God head is error of those who teach the trinity incorrectly. That is fear mongering and eliciting scriptures to bring condemnation .
 
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resurrection33 said:
Personally, I don't understand people who think the Lord is three people. I was taught the Lord serves in three capacities - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - and I believe that is sound teaching. I do not believe that the Lord is going to punish us if we don't totally understand him, though.
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While it is true that the Godhead is a mystery. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son.
What you are describing sounds like Modalism.
 
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While it is true that the Godhead is a mystery. The Son is not the Father and the Father is not the Son.
What you are describing sounds like Modalism.
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People love to put other people in categories.
 
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the so-called pagan religions of a "false trinity " concept has not Context to the Biblical concept of the God Head. we do not at other pagan religions to verify a biblical truth. We must look at the Word of God and allow the word to speak for the word.

pagan trinity like Hinduism is where the concept of the Biblical God head No, there is no truth to this claim.
"The Hindu Trimurti is a late speculation; it does not belong to the ancient Indian or Aryan religion.

The contrast to the Godhead in the Bible and the false trinity of Hinduism are clearly seen.

there is no god known as the "destroyer" in the God head of the Bible .

only those who have prideful and perverted hearts would suggest the Godhead in the Bible has anything to do with false gods and use those pagan beliefs as source to discredit the word of God .
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Well it is rife and folks here must know that many dark forces seek to deceive them by likening their beliefs to the word of GOD.... Adhere to the Word fully.
 
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Well it is rife and folks here must know that many dark forces seek to deceive them by likening their beliefs to the word of GOD.... Adhere to the Word fully.
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when you use false pagan religions to disprove a biblical doctrine is not how to do it.

Jesus never quoted from the false teaching of Dagon or other pagan beliefs to make His truth known only the Devil does that in the tempting of Christ in the wilderness Jesus said " it is Written". and quoted from Deuteronomy .

there are those here on CC I know it is shocking that are not here for Biblical study but attack sound teaching from the Bible that have been the foundation for years. 1000's .
 
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when you use false pagan religions to disprove a biblical doctrine is not how to do it.

Jesus never quoted from the false teaching of Dagon or other pagan beliefs to make His truth known only the Devil does that in the tempting of Christ in the wilderness Jesus said " it is Written". and quoted from Deuteronomy .

there are those here on CC I know it is shocking that are not here for Biblical study but attack sound teaching from the Bible that have been the foundation for years. 1000's .
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what on earth are you talking about? When have I used a pagan religion to disprove biblical doctrine?
 
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Trinity…..1 john 5
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And there are three that bear witness on earth:[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

When scripture confirms it, why don't we just work on understanding it rather than doubting it.
 
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loveme1 said:
what on earth are you talking about? When have I used a pagan religion to disprove biblical doctrine?
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loveme1 never said you :) I said when you use that was in third person FYI :) or I may have better said IF a person uses ok is that better :)
 
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No and yes

I find it disturbing when people who say they are saved Christians deny that Jesus is God,
because to me denying Jesus being God means denying Jesus (who he is)

I don't think we have to understand how and why and all of that though. He knows we ain't that smart
 
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DustyRhodes said:
Trinity…..1 john 5
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And there are three that bear witness on earth:[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

When scripture confirms it, why don't we just work on understanding it rather than doubting it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses,
is a comma (a short clause) found in some manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8.

The scholarly consensus is that that passage is [a Latin corruption] that entered the Greek
manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] The Comma and the question of its
authenticity have particular bearing on the development of the theological doctrine of the Trinity

-someone in the past added scripture to boost there view it seems.
John 5:7 does not confirm the trinity at all, it was added to scripture

John 8:18 (KJV)
1] I am one that bear witness of myself,
2] and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

-why did the Holy Spirit not bear witness in this verse ?
 
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prove-all said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

The Comma Johanneum, also called the Johannine Comma or the Heavenly Witnesses,
is a comma (a short clause) found in some manuscripts of the First Epistle of John[1] at 5:7–8.

The scholarly consensus is that that passage is [a Latin corruption] that entered the Greek
manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies.[1] The Comma and the question of its
authenticity have particular bearing on the development of the theological doctrine of the Trinity

-someone in the past added scripture to boost there view it seems.
John 5:7 does not confirm the trinity at all, it was added to scripture

John 8:18 (KJV)
1] I am one that bear witness of myself,
2] and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

-why did the Holy Spirit not bear witness in this verse ?
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i was about to post same thing but you beat me to it.

if i was trying to prove my doctrine with scripture the last thing i would do is add to the Lords word which is strictly forbidden, that would do far more damage than good..
 
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Priyanka695 said:
But all truth is not necessary, especially when it can cause one to discredit Christianity - on the sole basis of a "logical fallacy" called Trinity.

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I cannot imagine a believer, led of the Spirit of God saying the above.......EVERY word of GOD is inspired and PROFITABLE.....ALL three things said in the line above make me shake my head in shock.......how do you respond to this???
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
No and yes

I find it disturbing when people who say they are saved Christians deny that Jesus is God,
because to me denying Jesus being God means denying Jesus (who he is)

I don't think we have to understand how and why and all of that though. He knows we ain't that smart
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This is usually the real issue!
It is the denial of the divinity of Jesus Christ that is the problem, not whether the Trinity per se is particularly understandable!
 
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