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Do you know why we're not arguing? Because it takes two to argue!
It does help when you do not have to see what people say,

It I think to some people, it is a game,
 
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I will I'll be sure to save this post, and I may even report this to the mdds


if your buddy comes in here and slanders people, he will get the same treatment.

if he wants to discuss doctrine, he will have no problem, even if we disagree

I share how blessed in the Lord I have become because of my brothers and sisters
in Christ because we remember the wonderful love He has blessed us with.

Rejoice in the Lord in every circumstance, because He is Lord, he transcends
everything.

I was in pain today as I learned how a young 9 year old became the support
for her Dad in ministry. So insane, such a load, for such young shoulders
who should have had a chance to be a kid. So many lessons not learnt,
so missed, so hard to learn in your 40's.

But for some emotions mean zip, it is facts that matter. But emotional abuse,
distortions are as real and true and are facts that shape whole futures.
 
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I dont know, you tell me, Wh do people need to lie about others, if your firm in your faith, why do you have t slander others to defend yourself?
The great crime being talked about here is easy believing, easy ie it takes almost nothing to do it
Believism ie something you believe.

Think of the humour here, really think. Just accept Jesus, just the name, say it allowed,
agree who He is, or maybe just go to church, and you are in forever, you can never get out.

It is like the magic event, then wow you are in.
Now listen to the howls, literal of denial, but what is the core fundamentals of faith?
What must they believe or do to be saved?

Just belong. An in depth video was a classic example. Your sins past, present, future are
forgiven. Finish. So in this faith God does not correct you for sin, or convict you, or heal you,
or cleanse you because sins no longer exist, no law, no judgement, no rebuke, no evil, it is
all resolved, we are now in heaven. They will lie, distort, claim they speak the truth from the
throne, yet it is not scripture, because righteous saints do not exit, ever.

But wait, sin is gone, so everyone is righteous, soooooo they are lying. God is Holy, the law
giver, yet He is now toothless, and with no law, no boundaries. But they are lying again and
live within moral boundaries.

Who lies like this, appears one way, denies Gods word, then acts like they follow then denies
it again?

They want legitimacy, claim it like they own God, yet the Lord is not King, it is always their view
emotionally bound over to failure, calling anyone walking in love a legalist.

They really need God, but He is not their King. A person who builds on sand and collapses,
so great is their collapse. But where can they go in the rubble, except now this is what God
means, live in rubble.
 
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The great crime being talked about here is easy believing, easy ie it takes almost nothing to do it
Believism ie something you believe.

Think of the humour here, really think. Just accept Jesus, just the name, say it allowed,
agree who He is, or maybe just go to church, and you are in forever, you can never get out.

It is like the magic event, then wow you are in.
Now listen to the howls, literal of denial, but what is the core fundamentals of faith?
What must they believe or do to be saved?

Just belong. An in depth video was a classic example. Your sins past, present, future are
forgiven. Finish. So in this faith God does not correct you for sin, or convict you, or heal you,
or cleanse you because sins no longer exist, no law, no judgement, no rebuke, no evil, it is
all resolved, we are now in heaven. They will lie, distort, claim they speak the truth from the
throne, yet it is not scripture, because righteous saints do not exit, ever.

But wait, sin is gone, so everyone is righteous, soooooo they are lying. God is Holy, the law
giver, yet He is now toothless, and with no law, no boundaries. But they are lying again and
live within moral boundaries.

Who lies like this, appears one way, denies Gods word, then acts like they follow then denies
it again?

They want legitimacy, claim it like they own God, yet the Lord is not King, it is always their view
emotionally bound over to failure, calling anyone walking in love a legalist.

They really need God, but He is not their King. A person who builds on sand and collapses,
so great is their collapse. But where can they go in the rubble, except now this is what God
means, live in rubble.
The farce of adding EASY to believism is nothing more than added verbiage and an embellishment by those who push a works based false gospel....see the truth, which you and a handful of others reject, in favor of your own flavor of gospel is simple

IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE<----the simplicity that is found in Jesus that you reject in favor of a gospel not found in scripture.....
 
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A fool says in his heart God does not see.

Emotional reality is who we are. When you read this you either recoil, or go yes, I knew it.
Once we listen we know what we can do.

But you need to listen. Your emotions simply signal where you are, not where you are headed.
Jesus wept, He feels our sorrow, He mourns our pain, He gets alongside us and says I love you,
Do what I say! God is saying this, God is saying this, God is saying this. Do you love Him?
Do you trust Him? Do you see Him dying for you, the servant King!!!!

Put your excuses at the foot of the cross, and weep with Him, break with Him, know His heart.
I wish I could in Christ hug you all like Christ hugs me and says Amen.

What sins bar you, or failures stop you trusting Him? He has made you whole through the cross
so why do you condemn what God has made whole!!!! You are the temple of the Holy Spirit,
pure holy redeemed yet you say unworthy. Why do you disown the very work you know He has done?

Walk in it dear people of God and know your King!!!!
 
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The farce of adding EASY to believism is nothing more than added verbiage and an embellishment by those who push a works based false gospel....see the truth, which you and a handful of others reject, in favor of your own flavor of gospel is simple

IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE<----the simplicity that is found in Jesus that you reject in favor of a gospel not found in scripture.....
:cool::cool::cool: Here is the real farce. Read a catechism and each point will have a point of heresy
believers will fight over, so it is neither simple or easy, yet it is easy to say it is easy, ironic that.

And the sting in the tail, to shine a light on this lie is to then be called a "works based false gospel"
This is just so empty a statement. It is like saying driving a car is just sitting in a car, yet for most
it takes months of learning, teaching and practice. Why lie?

To know Jesus deeper than a spouse, a friend, a son or daughter, a mother or father takes time, is
a life walk. Who are these people???? They have nothing. Just this antagonism, like a stormy
wind, soon gone and of no consequence.
 
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:cool::cool::cool: Here is the real farce. Read a catechism and each point will have a point of heresy
believers will fight over, so it is neither simple or easy, yet it is easy to say it is easy, ironic that.

And the sting in the tail, to shine a light on this lie is to then be called a "works based false gospel"
This is just so empty a statement. It is like saying driving a car is just sitting in a car, yet for most
it takes months of learning, teaching and practice. Why lie?

To know Jesus deeper than a spouse, a friend, a son or daughter, a mother or father takes time, is
a life walk. Who are these people???? They have nothing. Just this antagonism, like a stormy
wind, soon gone and of no consequence.
Here, in case you did not understand the first time....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal
The farce of adding EASY to believism is nothing more than added verbiage and an embellishment by those who push a works based false gospel....see the truth, which you and a handful of others reject, in favor of your own flavor of gospel is simple

IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE<----the simplicity that is found in Jesus that you reject in favor of a gospel not found in scripture.....
 
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Here, in case you did not understand the first time....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal
The farce of adding EASY to believism is nothing more than added verbiage and an embellishment by those who push a works based false gospel....see the truth, which you and a handful of others reject, in favor of your own flavor of gospel is simple

IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save the that BELIEVE<----the simplicity that is found in Jesus that you reject in favor of a gospel not found in scripture.....
:eek::eek::eek:. I am embarrassed. It seems the point is not clear enough.

Have you ever met are expert juggler. They will tell you it is simple, and they
actually believe it is, because everyone is like them.

But just ask others to juggle, failure. They just live in the bubble, like a record
on repeat, they just do not see it. There is no argument to win, because they
have to see it in the first place. In their mind they switch to the polarised view,
and any content is gone. There is not even a flicker, the war marches on.....
 
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I am still amazed at the example of this.
A sentence was written, to which I responded yet the words were denied
even there in front of them.

You know sanity has left the building when this happens.

I must be wrong because I am the enemy......lol
If you know Jesus this is impossible. Now friends I know how hard this
is for once I thought I was losing my faith. But it turns out I was learning
more in Christ. Always know God is leading you into deeper truth that
transcends sin. If it hurts, you are still alive, amen, fear when your heart
remains cold.

So many damaged people, denied, manipulated, hurt and beaten. Do you see
them, can you feel their pain? This is a sad, sad world locked in so much
suffering, which they blame on God. We are Gods message to a bleeding
world, the balm of life.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I am still amazed at the example of this.
A sentence was written, to which I responded yet the words were denied
even there in front of them.

You know sanity has left the building when this happens.

I must be wrong because I am the enemy......lol
If you know Jesus this is impossible. Now friends I know how hard this
is for once I thought I was losing my faith. But it turns out I was learning
more in Christ. Always know God is leading you into deeper truth that
transcends sin. If it hurts, you are still alive, amen, fear when your heart
remains cold.

So many damaged people, denied, manipulated, hurt and beaten. Do you see
them, can you feel their pain? This is a sad, sad world locked in so much
suffering, which they blame on God. We are Gods message to a bleeding
world, the balm of life.

What is sad is Jesus came to earth, suffered as a man, suffered the cross, and experienced death so you could be free of all those things, and even your worse suffering could be seen as a momentary light affliction because you are completely forgiven forever, and eternity, which is assured and can not be taken away, is so long, and this life so short, that even the sting of death is removed.

and you refuse to have faith in it, but want to mock it and try to earn it. Because in your own words, "the cross is not enough"
 
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There you have it. This man has just slandered a whole group of people with no evidence whatsoever.

Then, he labels me a kingpin, as if I have a gang.

Look thru the threads, folks..... I have no following. As a matter of fact, about half the folks who believe like I do don't even like me.

You can't be a kingpin without a following.:rolleyes:

EG claims a "group" hijacked this thread. Go look & see if that's true. If it isn't somebody just told a bold-faced lie.

I just don't trust liars, do you?

Let's look at something else EG has said here:[FONT=&]
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Since I exposed how they work, EG now plays the blame-game on me, deflecting the whole thing on the one that exposed them. In doing so, EG points to himself as a member of that group. I never accused him of it, he came in & proved it outta his own mouth.
Notice this post:


Again, I stated there's a team on here causing all the major problems, & I am immediately accused of being the head of it.

Same accusation. Same deflection. And no proof, since I post alone on CC.

I never mentioned names or what this group of people actually did..... nothing worthy of attack.

Anyone can disagree with me, that's their right..... but attack as their first post after this?!?

They're telling on themselves.

Actually, I'd take it as a compliment if I were you.
It means you're a strong person.
Be Happy. Don't Worry.
 
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EG,

we both love you so much, don't fret precious one, Jesus will sort it all out
in His own time for each and every one of us...
 
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I believe the gap theory and I also believe the word theory shouldn't be tacked on. Should be gap truth. :) Have you ever wondered why the earth was void with no form? And why light and darkness had to be separated? I've never heard an answer for the latter question.

I also believe that Adam and Eve "could" of been beings of Light..the image of God. There are teachings that prove the possibility but I don't know if there are any that prove it true firmly.

This is a subject that I love too. And is why I've read so much. Not all agree with these things though, and we probably won't know definitely until we are with Him. I have lots of questions. lol

I had a picture of His Light one time though...it was such pure light...no casting of shadow...golden light that one could see through..had substance yet seemed not to.

Hard to describe with my own words.
Yes! What was this darkness?
 
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Your right it is not a bible discussion forum, it s a place where if people do not get their way they attack therms tell lies about them, refuse to listen t what they say, ask the same old questions, say the were never give an answer, blamshift when they ar called out, etc etc,

and sadly it It is about 4 or 5 people which do this, and it tears the whole forum down, because no n can ever discuss the Bible, and when we do, these few people call it an attack.
Have you Always been doing the above??
 
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God's Gospel/WORD - is implanted and lived-out in the hearts/lives of those whom He has called -
at some point of their lives...when and where this begins, only He knows:eek::)
until He awakens us to His will...
 
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What is sad is Jesus came to earth, suffered as a man, suffered the cross, and experienced death so you could be free of all those things, and even your worse suffering could be seen as a momentary light affliction because you are completely forgiven forever, and eternity, which is assured and can not be taken away, is so long, and this life so short, that even the sting of death is removed.

and you refuse to have faith in it, but want to mock it and try to earn it. Because in your own words, "the cross is not enough"
This for me is an interesting projection.
I look at Jesus and my heart breaks and all I can do is walk in His ways listening to my Lord.

Somehow this walk is seen rather than the fulfillment of Christs work its replacement.
But my dear friends, listen to Jesus, and I mean this, if He is your Lord.
A wise man who puts into practise these words of mine, is like a man who built there house
on a rock.

So listening and doing is Gods will. Not doing is building your house on the sand.
As a reader you choose, Christs advice or mans? To those whose house has fallen
down, they blame the teaching not their failure to know love and follow.

These teachers have known the faith from childhood and are still confused.
The failure is not in theology but in emotional reality, and finding victory and freedom
in their lives. Can they grow in Christ beyond what there families have given them.

For most the answer is no.
 

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i take great comfort in this:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. (1 Pet 1:3-5)

kept by the power of God. there is no greater love, no greater faithfulness, no greater power than His.
He will see to it His own persevere. :)

I love this scripture promise, along with others that also give assurance.

And the Creator over the creature. Nothing can pluck us out of His hands, not even any "created thing" (Romans 8) :)
 
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For the by grace/by works crowd here to bicker who is right, (BTW, neither are right -- something you tend to determine not to notice), and for the others bickering over gap theory and darkness winning over light, some words from Spurgeon to you. Not to the others. To YOU.

“Thou shalt arise, and have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time is come. For thy servants rake pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof.” Psa. 102:13, Psa. 102:14

A selfish man in trouble is exceedingly hard to comfort, because the springs of his comfort lie entirely within himself, and when he is sad all his springs are dry. But a large-hearted man full of Christian philanthropy, has other springs from which to supply himself with comfort beside those which lie within. He can go to his God first of all, and there find abundant help; and he can discover arguments for consolation in things relating to the world at large, to his country, and, above all, to the church. David in this Psalm was exceedingly sorrowful; he wrote, “I am like an owl of the desert. I watch, and am as a sparrow alone upon the house top.” The only way in which he could comfort himself, was in the reflection that God would arise, and have mercy upon Zion: though he was sad, yet Zion should prosper; however low his own estate, yet Zion should arise. Christian man! learn to comfort thyself in God’s gracious dealing towards the church. That which is so dear to thy Master, should it not be dear above all else to thee? What though thy way be dark, canst thou not gladden thine heart with the triumphs of his cross and the spread of his truth? Our own personal troubles are forgotten while we look, not only upon what God has done, and is doing for Zion, but on the glorious things he will yet do for his church. Try this receipt, O believer, whenever thou art sad of heart and in heaviness of spirit: forget thyself and thy little concerns, and seek the welfare and prosperity of Zion. When thou bendest thy knee in prayer to God, limit not thy petition to the narrow circle of thine own life, tried though it be, but send out thy longing prayers for the church’s prosperity, “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem,” and thine own soul shall be refreshed.
 

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Yes! What was this darkness?
Its my thought that it's iniquity that was found in Lucifer. But, just my thought. Chuck Missler might be one that could of taught on this. We could both check and see if we can find something he taught about the darkness. Two heads are better than one. :)
 

stonesoffire

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Nobody's bickering Lynn. Discussing. E.G. And I won't go head to head about this. And it's not that important. Grace / works however is a very big deal.