The End is Near for Dispensationalism - it's cracking apart..

[Willie-T]

Willie,

It is perfectly normal, in language, to use a present tense verb when talking about something which is PRESENTLY HAPPENING, and WILL CONTINUE HAPPENING INTO THE FUTURE.

We all use verbs like this all the time.

I'm sure you're educated enough to be aware of the "present continuous" tense as opposed to the "present perfect" tense... and that these are also used in Greek.



This is a very normal component of very normal speech.

I could let that one fly if it were not for the fact that 'following the Gospel' is lauded by almost all of the writers of the NT as being simple and easy (My yoke is easy?) and not at all difficult to find or comply with. In fact, 3,000 did so at Pentecost... in one single day.

I just do not believe that the Bible bears out an arduous, and difficult path to find to Jesus.

 

[Nehemiah6]

God said it was His desire that the world, through Christ, would be saved. And Satan wants just the opposite. Can you agree with that?

Agreed. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (John 3:17)

Yet, it sounds like you are saying Satan is stronger than God and has more power than Him, because you just said that Satan will thwart God's desires, and will take, by far, the vast majority of humans to Hell.

The issue is not about what Satan wants, but what sinners want. Satan certainly influences people, but in the end, every person must make a decision -- obey the Gospel or disobey the Gospel. Now please note what Jesus said regarding why many will not be saved.

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (John 3:19)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Satan must just LOVE Dispensationalists....... they have already turned over the earth to him, saying Christ is no match for him today.

comments like this just hurt your cause. Its not only ridiculous, it proves you hae no idea what your arguing against. Some could say it is childish, and I would agree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What has been eye opening to me is how many DON'T take Scripture literally, and rely on their own intellect to decide what is literal and true and what isn't.

It explains how so many Christians are anti- Israel, (even though they try and say they aren't). It drives them CRAZY that the Jews are back in the land. I have heard all sorts of bizarre reasons as to why and how they are there.

They also can't understand why the world is going the exact course that dispensationalists, using Scripture, say it will. THE WORLD IS NOT GETTING BETTER. And it will continue to get worse until Jesus returns.

One of THE most precise prophecies regarding end times, that no one can buy or sell without the mark, a cashless society, is LITERALLY right on our doorstep, yet so many who do not take the truths of the Bible literally refuse to believe.

They believe Who Jesus is, and what He has done. So I'm guessing they are saved, but they have a RUDE awakening coming.

It is sad, especially concerning prophesy, If prophesy is not taken literally, It can not stand, and the one thing God said proves his is the one true God, who is outsider of time, falls apart. Because anyone can predict certain future things, or at the very least. Predict symbolically that things will happen, and it appear they were right (see Nostradamus)


People who reject the dispensationalism ideology and try to replace it with symbolic interpretation and the such, do the very thing they claim disposed do. Give God a bad name. They claim God can not keep his promises (Israel) and that he can not foretell the future, exactly as it will happen (even the first advent proves God was perfect on MANY OT prophesies concerning the coming savior.

 

[Willie-T]

comments like this just hurt your cause. Its not only ridiculous, it proves you hae no idea what your arguing against. Some could say it is childish, and I would agree.

Do you not believe that Satan rules most of the world, and that it will only get worse, no matter what Christians do, and that Satan would completely conquer even believers if Jesus doesn't come back to pull Christians out?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you think The Holy Spirit has the power to bring most of the world to Christ?
Is He going to?

Yes

according to prophesy (literal) he will bring people from every nation to christ. He said it will happen, and it will. (The gospel will be spread to ALL nations"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know. We're supposed to be in the millennial reign of Christ right now, & Jesus is ruling & reigning the Earth.
So, where's the literal Jesus? He must be an allegory, too.

What's real sad, is we are told when he reigns the nations will live in peace. All we hae to do is turn on the TV and we see the last 2 centuries have been blood baths and it just gets worse. (As prophesied it would by the way)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God said it was His desire that the world, through Christ, would be saved. And Satan wants just the opposite. Can you agree with that?

Yet, it sounds like you are saying Satan is stronger than God and has more power than Him, because you just said that Satan will thwart God's desires, and will take, by far, the vast majority of humans to Hell.

'So the term "few will enter" means nothing to you?

God does not force people against their will. Romans one shopus us that Man has rejected God and God gave them over to their desires. And scripture makes it clear in the last days it will get worse.

Gods plan will be fulfilled no matter what. When he returns, all will be saved, Those who are not, will be wiped off the earth (he who endures to the end will be saved) revelations says the birds will eat the flesh of the dead for months there will be so many.

 

[PennEd]

Willie,

I think Jesus was pretty clear that the majority of people would not be saved.
Determining who gets the blame for this is a separate issue.


Mt. 7:13-14
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

There are other places in Scripture that talk about the lost, or desolate being many.

Galatians 4:27 [FONT=&quot]For it is written:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”[e][/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”[f] 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But you're derailing the thread with FP propoganda. Its about PD, not FP.

'I see her countering one argument with another.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you not believe that Satan rules most of the world, and that it will only get worse, no matter what Christians do, and that Satan would completely conquer even believers if Jesus doesn't come back to pull Christians out?

I believe what the Bible says, Why don't you? While satan is the ruler (even christ called him the ruler of the world) he can only do what God allows him to do. Otherwise mankind would have been gone along time agan. You think satan wants mankind to live?

The Bible says things will get worse. As Thge love of God grows cold. It is not satan that is causing it, it is people hate toward God which causes it, Satan is limited in what he can do. Yet look at WW2. I hope you do not think CHrist was helping Hitler muyrder all those millions in cold blood, Or Stalin, or any of the other dictators who murder millions.

God created Israel. Did God fail because Israel continued to rebell against God? Of course not. God will never force anyone to do anything (in spite of what calvanism teaches). But God will finish his plan he had for israel. You can count on it.

 

[Willie-T]

One small question. God told Abraham his descendants would be numbered as the stars in the heavens and as the sands on the shores. We know that cannot mean just physical Jews because there are just not that many of them left in the world. They are obviously what is now known as "Spiritual Israel" — in other words, Christians.

Also, John said he saw an army of followers of Jesus that no man could number.

Do either of these sound like only a few people are going to find Jesus, and thus, enter the kingdom of Heaven? Not to me.

 

[Speak2Me]

Do either of these sound like only a few people are going to find Jesus, and thus, enter the kingdom of Heaven?

Over the space of 6,000+ years, yes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One small question. God told Abraham his descendants would be numbered as the stars in the heavens and as the sands on the shores. We know that cannot mean just physical Jews because there are just not that many of them left in the world. They are obviously what is now known as "Spiritual Israel" — in other words, Christians.

Also, John said he saw an army of followers of Jesus that no man could number.

Do either of these sound like only a few people are going to find Jesus, and thus, enter the kingdom of Heaven? Not to me.

look at the history of the world. Show me a time when their were more christians alive then non believers. Does that mean there will be few people in heaven.

We need to look at context. I think their will be billions in heaven, yet when we take that number and relate it to the4 number of men who were ever born from Adam till the last man, There will be more in hell than in heaven. That is what the word says, and that is what History shows.. At any period of time, very few alive have been children of God. Even in Israels glory days where most likely most were saved, they were small compared to all mankind.

 

[Willie-T]

Over the space of 6,000+ years, yes.

I believe that was spoken to Abraham around 1,970 BC. Add that to today's date, and you lose about 2,000 of those 6,000 years, right there. (Just trying to keep it accurate.)

 

[maxwel]

I could let that one fly if it were not for the fact that 'following the Gospel' is lauded by almost all of the writers of the NT as being simple and easy (My yoke is easy?) and not at all difficult to find or comply with. In fact, 3,000 did so at Pentecost... in one single day.

I just do not believe that the Bible bears out an arduous, and difficult path to find to Jesus.

Willie,

I think the proper view of the opposition is NOT that the path to Jesus is "arduous", but rather, "few find it" because they simply don't want it.


Hope you had a good dinner.

Mine was something healthy that tasted like dirt... I'm not a good cook, lol.

 

[Willie-T]

Willie,

I think the proper view of the opposition is NOT that the path to Jesus is "arduous", but rather, "few find it" because they simply don't want it.
Hope you had a good dinner.

Mine was something healthy that tasted like dirt... I'm not a good cook, lol.

Ok, I can see that point.

 

[Speak2Me]

I believe that was spoken to Abraham around 1,970 BC. Add that to today's date, and you lose about 2,000 of those 6,000 years, right there. (Just trying to keep it accurate.)

OK, you got me there. It's amazing you have such accuracy with Bible history, yet don't seem to know some NT basics.

 

[Willie-T]

Ok, I can see that point.

(I had Pork roast Au Jus.)

 

[maxwel]

(I had Pork roast Au Jus.)

That just makes me jealous and sad, lol.