Not By Works

[gb9]

You can say your sinless all you want and all it does is prove that you don't know what your talking about...and we have already proven in this very thread that you have sinned openly numerous times...how can one be that delusional.....deceived is the word....exactly as John states....deceived and no truth......the epitome of verse 8 <--PJW

what some, like this guy, seem to be unable to comprehend is this- the stating or implying that one does not sin is a lie, which is a sin. so, every time they say it, the are sinning as they say it.

 

[dcontroversal]

[QUOTE=dcontroversal;3332074]FALSE heresy ALERT............verb tense alone prove the statement above false ^^^^^^^^

It is written..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)
And..."For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
And..."For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God." (Rom 14:11-12)
There is a judgement coming for every man.[/QUOTE]


Nice twist of context concerning my post....more deception from one who is deceived with no truth.....the context is salvation and it is spoken of in all three tenses with a present continuing result.....see...keep proving to all how deceptive you really are......

In the grace you are, having been SAVED through faith and that NOT of yourselves, it is the gift of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast.

HAVING BEEN SAVED <--past tense........wake up to the truth and the fact that you still sin!

 

[dcontroversal]

what some, like this guy, seem to be unable to comprehend is this- the stating or implying that one does not sin is a lie, which is a sin. so, every time they say it, the are sinning as they say it.

Absolutely and I agree......he has been nailed numerous times by more than a few in this thread alone and called out on it......but refuses to simply acknowledge the truth...........

 

[dcontroversal]

I forgive you for your misunderstandings.
As for verse 10...I was among the worst of sinners before getting off the dark path.

MAN....you really take the cake.....HE quotes a verse which proves you wrong and you forgive his misunderstanding.....you know the rich man burning in hell refused to believe God's word and Abraham's testimony and argued against it........the point is obvious......!

Originally Posted by preacher4truth

By grace are you saved...

Wonder why PJW lies against the revelation of God's Word? Alot?

He's already shown himself to have fulfilled 1 John 1:10.

 

[dcontroversal]

The impossible part is the "renewal".
If they eventually come to Christ, it would actually be a "first 'newal".

If someone leaves the church/sins/denies Christ, they were never in the church, or Christ, to begin with.

Peter and his denial of the Lord three times proves you do not know what your talking about.......and note...this was after JESUS had told PETER that flesh and blood had not taught him the truth about who JESUS was...and the impossible part is pointed at..it is impossible to lose salvation and then need to be renewed......BECAUSE it puts JESUS to open shame!

 

[dcontroversal]

You used the word Try.
We try.
Only Jesus kept all the commands. I'm reading here that some are saying we don't have to but we'll still be saved. I may be wrong about this but it's what it sounds like.

Yeah...Fran said the same thing even though it was not true.....

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah...Fran said the same thing even though it was not true.....

Is Fran back? Her avatar is blowing a kiss, which was her trademark.

 

[BillG]

Are you saying that if I don't do the above I'm lost?
I don't understand.

I would say no.

There is only one reason to be lost and that’s a total rejection of Jesus.

Anyone with genuine faith will want to grow in Jesus and be like him and do,what he has asked us to do and be.

Bill

 

[dcontroversal]

I would say no.

There is only one reason to be lost and that’s a total rejection of Jesus.

Anyone with genuine faith will want to grow in Jesus and be like him and do,what he has asked us to do and be.

Bill

Sanctification in our daily lives is an ongoing process that includes failures, successes and set backs on occasion.......and some men though saved will fail their whole lives....Samson is a prime example....makes the book of Hebrews in faith, yet on almost every turn failed and or done that which was contrary to what he was supposed to do...

 

[PHart]

So how do you get on with not inviting friends and family home for a meal, but rather the poor, lame blind and beggars so you may receive your reward in heaven?
Do you always ob ey that command, sometimes or never?

If you fast(if) you do make sure no one knows you are fasting don't you?

If anyone stole anything of yours, you would offer them more besides what they stole with nothing but love in your heart for them wouldn't you?

If anyone wanted to lend from you, you would gladly give to them without ever expecting anything back, wouldn't you? Do you always obey that command?

If you are persecuted/maligned, do you always leap for joy? Or do you have trouble obeying that command?

10So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith." (Galatians 6:10 NASB)

 

[preacher4truth]

MAN....you really take the cake.....HE quotes a verse which proves you wrong and you forgive his misunderstanding.....you know the rich man burning in hell refused to believe God's word and Abraham's testimony and argued against it........the point is obvious......!

Originally Posted by preacher4truth

By grace are you saved...

Wonder why PJW lies against the revelation of God's Word? Alot?

He's already shown himself to have fulfilled 1 John 1:10.

Not that I'm going to spend time arguing with that deceived person, but the context isn't referring to pre-conversion, but post-conversion, as you well know. It is merely more pretense and lying against the word again on his part. The text and context are very clear, but, this must be distorted in order for him to be allotted the task of deceiving himself for not believing the truth.

God said these were deceived, didn't he? He is showing us just what this deception looks like.

If you want to get a real blessing and understanding of the importance of this, read the story of where Christian meets Prudence in Bunyan Characters in the Pilgrims Progress by Alexander Whyte.

It's free on Google Books. Here is an excerpt:

With great tenderness, but at the same time with the greatest possible gravity, Prudence asked the pilgrim whether he did not still think sometimes of the country he had whence come out of.

Yes, he replied; how could I help thinking continually of that unhappy country and of my sad and miserable life in it; but, believe me,—or, rather, you cannot believe me,—with what shame and detestation I always think of my past life. My face burns as I now speak of my past life to you, and as I think what my old companions know and must often say about me. I detest,as you cannot possibly under stand, every remembrance of my past life, and I hate and never can forgive myself, who, with mine own hands, so filled all my past life with shame and self. contempt.

Gently stopping the remorseful pilgrim's self-accusations about his past life, Prudence asked him if he had not still with him, and, indeed, within him, some of the very things that had so destroyed both him and all his past life. “Yes, he honestly and humbly said,‘Yes, but greatly against my will: especially my inward and sinful cogitations.”

At this Prudence looked on him with all her this that she had been leading the conversation up all the time. Prudence had a great look of satisfaction, mingled with love and pity, at the way the pilgrim said ‘especially my inward and sinful cogitations. Those who stood by and observed Prudence wondered at her delight in the sad discourse on which the pilgrim now entered. But she had her own reasons for her delight in this particular kind of discourse, and it was seldom that she lighted on a pilgrim who both understood her questions and responded to them as did this man now sitting beside her.

Now, my brethren, all parable apart, is that your religious experience? Are you full of shame and detestation at your inward cogitations? Are you tormented, enslaved, and downright cursed with your own evil thoughts? I do not ask whether or no you have such thoughts always within you. I do not ask,because I know. But I ask, because I would like to make sure that you know what, and the true nature of what, goes on incessantly in your mind and in your heart.

Do you, or do you not, spit out your most inward thoughts ten times a day like poison? If you do, you are a truly religious man, and if you do not,you do not yet know the very ABC of true religion, and your dog has a better errand at the Lord's table than you have. And if your minister lets you sit down at the Lord's table without holding from time to time some particular discourse with you about your sinful thoughts, he is deceiving and misleading you, besides laying up for himself an awakening at last to shame and everlasting contempt. What a mill-stone his communion roll will be round such a minister's neck! And how his congregation will gnash their teeth at him when they see to what his miserable ministry has brought them!

Let a man examine himself, said Paul. What about your inward and sinful cogitations? asked Prudence. How long shall thy vain thoughts lodge within thee? demanded the bold prophet. Now, my brethren, what have you to say to that particular accusation? Do you know what vain thoughts are? Are you at all aware what multitudes of such thoughts lodge within you? Do they drive you every day to your knees, and do you blush with shame when you are alone before God at the fountain of folly that fills your mind and your heart continually The Apostle speaks of vain hopes that make us ashamed that we ever entertained them. You have been often so ashamed, and yet do not such hopes still too easily arise in your heart?What castles of idiotic folly you still build! Were a sane man or a modest woman even to dream such dreams of folly overnight, they would blush and hide their heads all day at the thought. Out of a word, out of a look, out of what was neither a word nor a look intended for you, what a world of vanity will you build out of it! The question of Prudence is not whether or no you are still a born fool at heart, she does not put unnecessary questions: hers to you is the more pertinent and particular question,…

 

[BillG]

I forgive you for your misunderstandings.
As for verse 10...I was among the worst of sinners before getting off the dark path.

What is there to forgive?
What sin has he comitted in order that you need to forgive him?

 

[dcontroversal]

What is there to forgive?
What sin has he comitted in order that you need to forgive him?

Nothing and NONE......Preacher quoted truth and applied it correctly.......

 

[blue_ladybug]

Humor break..

 

[dcontroversal]

Humor break..

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In the fall here with one of the last warm ups the lady bug invaders (not our normal red lady bugs with black spots) will swarm looking for a place to hibernate in winter.....two days ago I had about a million swarming my front porch........like the plague....so...I mixed up a special mixture of Spectracide extra heavy and sprayed the crap out of my house......needless to say....I committed Lady Bug genocide......but am happy to say...NO BLUE LADY bugs were found within the ranks of the invaders..........

 

[dcontroversal]

I wonder if the workers for, sinless perfectionists and the I keep myself saved crowd has done enough today to remain saved.....??

NOPE....not yesterday, today or even tomorrow......

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us <----PAST TENSE for all the deceivers who say salvation is not guaranteed or given until the end......!

 

[stonesoffire]

I believe in eternal security.
Eternal security lies in the life Jesus gives us.
If we have Jesus, we have life...
If we don't have Jesus we do not have eternal life.
If we don't obey Jesus it means we do not love Him and thus have abandoned Him.
John 14:15

What does this verse mean to You?[/QUOTE]

Very familiar quote from a past member.........

Maybe it's just the way people phrase questions when they come from Italy?

 

[stonesoffire]

I agree that there was the "original" sin, and it introduced death to the world, but "death" is not sin.
I never committed a sin till I was about six years old.
To die before that sin, would have precluded me from the lake of fire.
Another thread perhaps?

You never had a tantrum fit about not getting a want? I can't remember if I did or not, but I know my children did until I spanked them. Same with the grandchildren but no spanking. Today we would end up in child welfare courts.

Death by the way, is separation from life. Think about it. Then ask yourself how death affects.

 

[stonesoffire]

I guess you walk in light and in darkness?

If your misinterpretation of 1 John 1:8 is true, then verses 7 and 9 are lies.
They say ALL our sins, unrighteousness CAN be washed away.

Only a false repentance from sin would accommodate more sin thereafter.

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in thelight, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Looking at these all together, not just one by one, it seems that fellowshipping is the way we are cleansed of our sins as we confess what Light reveals.

Then we are forgiven and cleansed. Nothing about not needing to be cleansed, but more like, we do. Are these perhaps hidden sins? Motives not quite righteous in His sight?

Am I reading this correct? Or not?

 

[TruthTalk]

Is Fran back? Her avatar is blowing a kiss, which was her trademark.

Hi Mailman, Like you do, everyone here can see the similarities in her posting's, except for the folks who were not here at that time, a short while ago. (I'm trying to forget). She sowed double trouble and confusion amongst the brother's and sister's here and foremost was her fake gospel; Her favorite manipulation was, can you please give me, "the meaning of", that scripture.
Is everybody here wrong? No.

Repost:

And she continuously asked if we could give her, "the meaning of" that scripture, just so she could put her "vanilla cafe latte spin" on her fake theory's. And 'her script never went to the end of the page', just short choppy 'demanding little phrases.' The drama is back, sound familiar?

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"Could you tell me what John 14:15 means?"

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Mathew 21:28-32
Which son did the Father's will?
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